I thought that's what I heard, but then convinced myself he must have said 'poor Kim.' I am genuinely shocked by this thread confirming it.
I have always regarded that as an acutely offensive sexist term, not a term of endearment
What on earth was he thinking.
How is it sexist? What on earth. Maybe where you live but up here it's just a sarcastic way of saying the poor sod, poor love etc. My mum's friend says it all the time when she's talking about her sister (her husband is a miserable tw-at) and her dog is sick at the minute, and she says it all the time. She's really nice and not some monster, so no idea what you are talking about.
I don't get why Steven said it though, it didn't really make much sense for him to do it, but if another HM had said it, particularly one of the girls, it would make more sense. It isn't really something guys say as it sounds bizarre. It's like a man calling another man love or hun, it's weird.
How is it sexist? What on earth. Maybe where you live but up here it's just a sarcastic way of saying the poor sod, poor love etc. My mum's friend says it all the time when she's talking about her sister (her husband is a miserable tw-at) and her dog is sick at the minute, and she says it all the time. She's really nice and not some monster, so no idea what you are talking about.
I don't get why Steven said it though, it didn't really make much sense for him to do it, but if another HM had said it, particularly one of the girls, it would make more sense. It isn't really something guys say as it sounds bizarre. It's like a man calling another man love or hun, it's weird.
It's totally sexist. All cows are female.
Oh wait.
I love how people just say 'THAT'S SEXIST' every time a man speaks about a woman. Hilarity.
Clearly he didn't mean it the way all of you are interpreting, please stop overreacting. It's really embarrassing.
I love how people just say 'THAT'S SEXIST' every time a man speaks about a woman. Hilarity.
Clearly he didn't mean it the way all of you are interpreting, please stop overreacting. It's really embarrassing.
Clearly we have quite a few holes in your elementary education to fill. (Which must be pretty embarrassing for you.)
First of all: it's a gendered insult. Which means it can be validly cited as a sexist comment. Further exploration as to whether the specific context in which it was used help qualify or compound it as a sexist comment might also be valid. But to dismiss it prima facie as not being sexist is quite strange. . .
Unless you're not even familiar with your farmyard animals. Which begs the question: just how early did you stop paying attention in school?
The gender neutral term is "cattle." Individually they're counted by head. A male is a bull. A female is a cow. They both go moo. Stop me when any of this is starting to sound familiar.
In short: feminist/gender relations theory is challenging. Animal gender really shouldn't be. Attempt to attain a firmer grasp on the latter before stumbling over the former.
The gender neutral term is "cattle." Individually they're counted by head. A male is a bull. A female is a cow. They both go moo. Stop me when any of this is starting to sound familiar.
We discussed this in English class some years ago. The English teacher told us a number of answers I remember.
Cattle is a mass noun and because of this, the use of 'cow' is now in widespread use and so informally has been adopted as the singular gender neutral term.
In history the correct term is Ox but this is now been adopted to describe cattle who are used for pulling things like ploughs or other farm machines.
its just a generic word what's wrong with some people? I have said that exact same line before about someone I care about, don't mean I don't care any less.
Imo Steven is one of the most repulsive self- centered HM's we have ever had,' mummy dearest' didn't do a very good job of bringing him up, he is a total embarrassment.
I think of 'Poor cow' as a slightly old fashioned, working class expression, used mainly by women. I can't remember the last time I heard in in real life. Just 'cow' is very rude, but 'poor cow' isn't. There is something rather dated about Stephen.
I thought that's what I heard, but then convinced myself he must have said 'poor Kim.' I am genuinely shocked by this thread confirming it.
I have always regarded that as an acutely offensive sexist term, not a term of endearment
What on earth was he thinking.
I thought I hadn't heard him correctly and played it back. I thought ,"Poor dear," would be nice but "Poor cow," proves to me he is gay and is playing a game. He was all over her and she was not into him whereas you look at Helen stroking Ashman's hair and she is right into him.
There are lots of names associated with women which equate them to livestock or animals, sub-human and ownable. Cow, Mare, Chick, Hen, Fox, Vixen, Dog, Bitch, Bunny, Cat, Pussy,
Although men do get pig sometimes. You old dog you. You old goat. SIlver fox. Easy tiger. Not as degrading or convincing a list, is it.
Anyway regardless of all that, poor cow can indeed be used in an affectionate way. That's what Steven was trying to affect, but it's hard for a PSYCHOPATH [clap of thunder and lightning] to pull off.
I use 'poor cow', though I doubt if I'd use it for a brand new girlfriend who I was head over heels in love with, more for one of my aunties that I don't see that much
How to tell if something is sexist - would you say 'poor cow' about a man? No? It's sexist then. It's not that difficult.
Seems a little simplistic, unless you think "she" and "her" are sexist too. There was in fact a move to put that right with "s/he" and "hir" but it seemed so inconvenient and ... silly ... that everyone agreed we'd be better off keeping sexism.
I use 'poor cow', though I doubt if I'd use it for a brand new girlfriend who I was head over heels in love with, more for one of my aunties that I don't see that much
^ That sums up why it was strange I think, not necessarily the expression itself but the use of it in that context.
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Thought I was hearing things when he was saying this. ....what a complete and utter jackass!!!!
How is it sexist? What on earth. Maybe where you live but up here it's just a sarcastic way of saying the poor sod, poor love etc. My mum's friend says it all the time when she's talking about her sister (her husband is a miserable tw-at) and her dog is sick at the minute, and she says it all the time. She's really nice and not some monster, so no idea what you are talking about.
I don't get why Steven said it though, it didn't really make much sense for him to do it, but if another HM had said it, particularly one of the girls, it would make more sense. It isn't really something guys say as it sounds bizarre. It's like a man calling another man love or hun, it's weird.
It's totally sexist. All cows are female.
Oh wait.
I love how people just say 'THAT'S SEXIST' every time a man speaks about a woman. Hilarity.
Clearly he didn't mean it the way all of you are interpreting, please stop overreacting. It's really embarrassing.
Clearly we have quite a few holes in your elementary education to fill. (Which must be pretty embarrassing for you.)
First of all: it's a gendered insult. Which means it can be validly cited as a sexist comment. Further exploration as to whether the specific context in which it was used help qualify or compound it as a sexist comment might also be valid. But to dismiss it prima facie as not being sexist is quite strange. . .
Unless you're not even familiar with your farmyard animals. Which begs the question: just how early did you stop paying attention in school?
The gender neutral term is "cattle." Individually they're counted by head. A male is a bull. A female is a cow. They both go moo. Stop me when any of this is starting to sound familiar.
In short: feminist/gender relations theory is challenging. Animal gender really shouldn't be. Attempt to attain a firmer grasp on the latter before stumbling over the former.
We discussed this in English class some years ago. The English teacher told us a number of answers I remember.
Cattle is a mass noun and because of this, the use of 'cow' is now in widespread use and so informally has been adopted as the singular gender neutral term.
In history the correct term is Ox but this is now been adopted to describe cattle who are used for pulling things like ploughs or other farm machines.
I caught that too, how endearing!!!>:(
Awwww.........we can see from his nuzzling into Pauline's mammaries that the lad has a breast fetish........he is udderly in love.......:p
Yes you do, you say it about anyone who is poorly, ffs get over it.
I thought I hadn't heard him correctly and played it back. I thought ,"Poor dear," would be nice but "Poor cow," proves to me he is gay and is playing a game. He was all over her and she was not into him whereas you look at Helen stroking Ashman's hair and she is right into him.
Although men do get pig sometimes. You old dog you. You old goat. SIlver fox. Easy tiger. Not as degrading or convincing a list, is it.
Anyway regardless of all that, poor cow can indeed be used in an affectionate way. That's what Steven was trying to affect, but it's hard for a PSYCHOPATH [clap of thunder and lightning] to pull off.
I wouldn't call a man down my local 'pretty' either, unless I wanted my face punched in, a man is a man in East London
My sister moved to London and came home saying it but meaning no insults, whilst we were shocked.
But it is a strange thing to call the love of your life when they are ill in hospital.
^ That sums up why it was strange I think, not necessarily the expression itself but the use of it in that context.