In a live broadcast, presenter Colin Brazier was shown picking items – including a set of keys and a toothbrush – out of the open luggage before saying: ‘We really shouldn’t be doing this, I suppose.’
"We shouldn't be doing this I suppose"!! no Colin I suppose you shouldn't but hey you did it now what the hell eh.
+1, the whole scene should be left alone, the media generally seem to think they can roam freely over it, yet they have neither the moral, nor a legal mandate to do so.
From the moment the plane hit the ground, there's been a total lack of respect from
some journos and the separatist 'thugs', the only genuine sensitivity that appears to have been shown are the 'resident' locals, who have quietly placed flowers on some of the wreckage
The whole business has highlighted the worst nature of so called humanity
Excellent points there, even politicians, Governments, UN, EU, etc have been slow to act., why wasn't a international Military force sent to secure the site of the crash straight away thus avoiding all the amatuer goings on. It's true the crash site is international crime scene but the authorities don't seem to be treating it like one, probably out of fear of finding Russia responsible.
Sorry to have taken the thread slightly off topic but I wanted to make this point.
Excellent points there, even politicians, Governments, UN, EU, etc have been slow to act., why wasn't a international Military force sent to secure the site of the crash straight away thus avoiding all the amatuer goings on. It's true the crash site is international crime scene but the authorities don't seem to be treating it like one, probably out of fear of finding Russia responsible.
Sorry to have taken the thread slightly off topic but I wanted to make this point.
Gas and oil reserves UK has 15% of it's gas from Russia and needs to Shale to sorted this out, but Shale as we know is controversial. Germany has a major Gas and Oil deal with Russia, in effect it is really only this that is stopping them from doing anything.
+1, the whole scene should be left alone, the media generally seem to think they can roam freely over it, yet they have neither the moral, nor a legal mandate to do so.
From the moment the plane hit the ground, there's been a total lack of respect from
some journos and the separatist 'thugs', the only genuine sensitivity that appears to have been shown are the 'resident' locals, who have quietly placed flowers on some of the wreckage
The whole business has highlighted the worst nature of so called humanity
You've hit the nail on the head.
The UK news media, all channels, seem to think that because the locals are mooching about like it's a car-boot sale then they somehow have the right to do the same.
You're assuming he realised his own mistake. It may well have been his horrified director/editor screaming in his ear "What the **** are you doing!?!?!?"
Equally, he may have been asked to show the contents of the cases, but he himself made the decision to back off.
Either way, it was wrong. There should be an investigation and those responsible should be held to account.
I did wonder if someone yelled in his ear, but I don't know how such things work or how news reporters live at the scene communicate with those in 'the gallery' or whatever it's called.
Regardless, this forum seems to be the only place talking about the incident, so it matters little to Sky or Colin Brazier it seems.
The UK news media, all channels, seem to think that because the locals are mooching about like it's a car-boot sale then they somehow have the right to do the same.
I did wonder if someone yelled in his ear, but I don't know how such things work or how news reporters live at the scene communicate with those in 'the gallery' or whatever it's called.
Regardless, this forum seems to be the only place talking about the incident, so it matters little to Sky or Colin Brazier it seems.
Do a google search it's in Japanese, Australian, American newspapers.
They will have talkback to the gallery who wil be saying things into the earpiece that's why you see them nod their heads when they are about to go live.
There was no reason to rifle through belongings in the first place! We could see the devastation from what had already been shown. Nothing was added to the story by handling the luggage of the dead, and 'we shouldn't really be doing this' hardly constitutes an apology. An immediate 'I am sorry, that was crass and insensitive of me' would've been the decent thing to say.
v. ri·fled, ri·fling, ri·fles
v.tr.
1. To search with intent to steal.
2. To ransack or plunder; pillage.
3. To rob: rifle a safe.
Are you seriously suggesting he intended to steal some of the luggage.
Him actually touching it was a mistake, but it is nowhere near as bad as some are making out.
A family member could recognised items whether he touched them or not.
v. ri·fled, ri·fling, ri·fles
v.tr.
1. To search with intent to steal.
2. To ransack or plunder; pillage.
3. To rob: rifle a safe.
Are you seriously suggesting he intended to steal some of the luggage.
Him actually touching it was a mistake, but it is nowhere near as bad as some are making out.
A family member could recognised items whether he touched them or not.
Complete OTT outrage IMO
Not OTT he touched a crime scene and broadcast it to the world in most countries that's an offence.
Not OTT he touched a crime scene and broadcast it to the world in most countries that's an offence.
It looked to me that those pieces of luggage had already been moved to that position.
I cannot see any investigation being hampered by his actions.
He made a small mistake so,yes, some of the reactions are well OTT
Do a google search it's in Japanese, Australian, American newspapers.
They will have talkback to the gallery who wil be saying things into the earpiece that's why you see them nod their heads when they are about to go live.
I guess it was his editor / producer that told him to stop touching stuff then, but if news channels are going to insist that their reporters wander about such a scene in this way, they have to take some of the blame for this kind of thing.
I did google it, but not much comes up although at least one of Twitter's 'special' users did pile into the wrong Colin Brazier.
I don't think that Sky's Colin Brazier is on Twitter which is probably just as well.
v. ri·fled, ri·fling, ri·fles
v.tr.
1. To search with intent to steal.
2. To ransack or plunder; pillage.
3. To rob: rifle a safe.
Are you seriously suggesting he intended to steal some of the luggage.
Him actually touching it was a mistake, but it is nowhere near as bad as some are making out.
A family member could recognised items whether he touched them or not.
Complete OTT outrage IMO
That's just a case of semantics. I'd use the term 'rifle' but I'm not accusing Colin Brazier of trying nick anything.
'Rifle' might mean 'to steal' in some Ye Olde Englishe world of Charles Dickens, but it's not a term I would associate with 'stealing' today. Someone having a good rummage without thinking about their actions is closer to the definition of 'rifle' I would say.
The UK news media, all channels, seem to think that because the locals are mooching about like it's a car-boot sale then they somehow have the right to do the same.
I like this comment in the Mail underneath the article:
"And yet the DM finds it perfectly respectful to show still photos of the same victims bag from Braziers filmed report. Total hypocrisy, but then I would expect nothing else from this rag."
I guess it was his editor / producer that told him to stop touching stuff then, but if news channels are going to insist that their reporters wander about such a scene in this way, they have to take some of the blame for this kind of thing.
I did google it, but not much comes up although at least one of Twitter's 'special' users did pile into the wrong Colin Brazier.
I don't think that Sky's Colin Brazier is on Twitter which is probably just as well.
That's just a case of semantics. I'd use the term 'rifle' but I'm not accusing Colin Brazier of trying nick anything.
'Rifle' might mean 'to steal' in some Ye Olde Englishe world of Charles Dickens, but it's not a term I would associate with 'stealing' today. Someone having a good rummage without thinking about their actions is closer to the definition of 'rifle' I would say.
Quite, I heard Dickens was always referring to the online dictionary.
I like this comment in the Mail underneath the article:
"And yet the DM finds it perfectly respectful to show still photos of the same victims bag from Braziers filmed report. Total hypocrisy, but then I would expect nothing else from this rag."
I see the point that you are trying to make, but there is a still and also a links to the video on the Guardian article about the Colin Brazier incident too:
I see the point that you are trying to make, but there is a still and also a links to the video on the Guardian article about the Colin Brazier incident too:
You know the point I am trying to make so I don't know why you are being so pedantic.
You (& others) use the word because it makes his actions seem more sinister than it actually was.
The whole bit was showing pieces of luggage spread across the ground. At the end he picked up a couple of pieces that were in an open suitcase to show to camera.
To call it rifling is just being emotive, to pander to mob mentality.
It looked to me that those pieces of luggage had already been moved to that position.
I cannot see any investigation being hampered by his actions.
He made a small mistake so,yes, some of the reactions are well OTT
Indeed the luggage had already been moved and dumped together where we saw them in the piece that was aired.
I have sympathy for Mr. Brazier. I think he was trying to personalise the item by showing the belongings in the case. To be honest I cant blame him, seeing the awful things he, and others have over the last few days must have some emotional impact. I think he was just trying to emphasise that. It must be a hell of a depressing place to be at the moment.
Nothing he touched could have been used as forensics in to the actual shooting down of the plane.
Of course he should not have done it in that manner and realised it, yes it was uncomfortable to watch from the safety of our TVs, safety away from the bodies, body parts, guns and intimidation in that area. The way some are talking you would think he picked the lock on it and shared the contents with the crew thinking it all a jolly jape.
Maybe instead of whingeing to offcom the same people should be writing to their MPs/The Prime Minister/Russian Embassy asking why so little has been done and why some International inspectors have been deliberately held up in other parts of the country, some held back from the site and some granted limited accesses Maybe instead of bleating to offcom try writing to the Russian Embassy demanding to know why there are STILL bodies of Fathers, Mothers, children dumped on a stationary train.
I suppose it is easier to be outraged by the latest TV bandwagon than to actually give a damn about the real issues.
You (& others) use the word because it makes his actions seem more sinister than it actually was.
The whole bit was showing pieces of luggage spread across the ground. At the end he picked up a couple of pieces that were in an open suitcase to show to camera.
To call it rifling is just being emotive, to pander to mob mentality.
Sorry, but you seem to be defending the indefensible. The first instinct of any decent human being - or anything I would recognise as decent, anyway - would not be to rummage through the personal belongings of someone they knew had just been blasted out of the sky and undoubtedly killed. It isn't pandering to the mob mentality to suggest that it was, at the very least, a massive lapse in judgement.
You (& others) use the word because it makes his actions seem more sinister than it actually was.
The whole bit was showing pieces of luggage spread across the ground. At the end he picked up a couple of pieces that were in an open suitcase to show to camera. To call it rifling is just being emotive, to pander to mob mentality.
I'm doing nothing of the sort.
I'm giving my view, which you disagree with as is your right, just as it is my right to hold that view.
I take it you are ok with people having a view that is different to yours? At least in theory?
Sorry, but you seem to be defending the indefensible. The first instinct of any decent human being - or anything I would recognise as decent, anyway - would not be to rummage through the personal belongings of someone they knew had just been blasted out of the sky and undoubtedly killed. It isn't pandering to the mob mentality to suggest that it was, at the very least, a massive lapse in judgement.
I'm not defending it, I already said he made a mistake.
I'm just not blowing out of all proportion, like some are.
I'm giving my view, which you disagree with as is your right, just as it is my right to hold that view.
I take it you are ok with people having a view that is different to yours? At least in theory?
You can have a view, but when you use the wrong words to describe someone's actions,then people will call you on it.
Nothing he did comes close to rifling and the only reason I can see you using it is for the reasons I gave.
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In a live broadcast, presenter Colin Brazier was shown picking items – including a set of keys and a toothbrush – out of the open luggage before saying: ‘We really shouldn’t be doing this, I suppose.’
"We shouldn't be doing this I suppose"!! no Colin I suppose you shouldn't but hey you did it now what the hell eh.
Sorry to have taken the thread slightly off topic but I wanted to make this point.
Gas and oil reserves UK has 15% of it's gas from Russia and needs to Shale to sorted this out, but Shale as we know is controversial. Germany has a major Gas and Oil deal with Russia, in effect it is really only this that is stopping them from doing anything.
Dont suppose there's any bombing going on in Utrecht is there ???
No but there is in Donetsk apparently not Colin's day is it lol
You've hit the nail on the head.
The UK news media, all channels, seem to think that because the locals are mooching about like it's a car-boot sale then they somehow have the right to do the same.
I did wonder if someone yelled in his ear, but I don't know how such things work or how news reporters live at the scene communicate with those in 'the gallery' or whatever it's called.
Regardless, this forum seems to be the only place talking about the incident, so it matters little to Sky or Colin Brazier it seems.
Do a google search it's in Japanese, Australian, American newspapers.
They will have talkback to the gallery who wil be saying things into the earpiece that's why you see them nod their heads when they are about to go live.
v. ri·fled, ri·fling, ri·fles
v.tr.
1. To search with intent to steal.
2. To ransack or plunder; pillage.
3. To rob: rifle a safe.
Are you seriously suggesting he intended to steal some of the luggage.
Him actually touching it was a mistake, but it is nowhere near as bad as some are making out.
A family member could recognised items whether he touched them or not.
Complete OTT outrage IMO
It looked to me that those pieces of luggage had already been moved to that position.
I cannot see any investigation being hampered by his actions.
He made a small mistake so,yes, some of the reactions are well OTT
I guess it was his editor / producer that told him to stop touching stuff then, but if news channels are going to insist that their reporters wander about such a scene in this way, they have to take some of the blame for this kind of thing.
I did google it, but not much comes up although at least one of Twitter's 'special' users did pile into the wrong Colin Brazier.
I don't think that Sky's Colin Brazier is on Twitter which is probably just as well.
That's just a case of semantics. I'd use the term 'rifle' but I'm not accusing Colin Brazier of trying nick anything.
'Rifle' might mean 'to steal' in some Ye Olde Englishe world of Charles Dickens, but it's not a term I would associate with 'stealing' today. Someone having a good rummage without thinking about their actions is closer to the definition of 'rifle' I would say.
"And yet the DM finds it perfectly respectful to show still photos of the same victims bag from Braziers filmed report. Total hypocrisy, but then I would expect nothing else from this rag."
Quite, I heard Dickens was always referring to the online dictionary.
I see the point that you are trying to make, but there is a still and also a links to the video on the Guardian article about the Colin Brazier incident too:
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jul/20/sky-news-presenter-brazier-mh17-luggage-crash
You know the point I am trying to make so I don't know why you are being so pedantic.
You (& others) use the word because it makes his actions seem more sinister than it actually was.
The whole bit was showing pieces of luggage spread across the ground. At the end he picked up a couple of pieces that were in an open suitcase to show to camera.
To call it rifling is just being emotive, to pander to mob mentality.
Indeed the luggage had already been moved and dumped together where we saw them in the piece that was aired.
I have sympathy for Mr. Brazier. I think he was trying to personalise the item by showing the belongings in the case. To be honest I cant blame him, seeing the awful things he, and others have over the last few days must have some emotional impact. I think he was just trying to emphasise that. It must be a hell of a depressing place to be at the moment.
Nothing he touched could have been used as forensics in to the actual shooting down of the plane.
Of course he should not have done it in that manner and realised it, yes it was uncomfortable to watch from the safety of our TVs, safety away from the bodies, body parts, guns and intimidation in that area. The way some are talking you would think he picked the lock on it and shared the contents with the crew thinking it all a jolly jape.
Maybe instead of whingeing to offcom the same people should be writing to their MPs/The Prime Minister/Russian Embassy asking why so little has been done and why some International inspectors have been deliberately held up in other parts of the country, some held back from the site and some granted limited accesses Maybe instead of bleating to offcom try writing to the Russian Embassy demanding to know why there are STILL bodies of Fathers, Mothers, children dumped on a stationary train.
I suppose it is easier to be outraged by the latest TV bandwagon than to actually give a damn about the real issues.
Sorry, but you seem to be defending the indefensible. The first instinct of any decent human being - or anything I would recognise as decent, anyway - would not be to rummage through the personal belongings of someone they knew had just been blasted out of the sky and undoubtedly killed. It isn't pandering to the mob mentality to suggest that it was, at the very least, a massive lapse in judgement.
He was in Donetsk to begin with so I wouldn`t read too much into that.
I'm doing nothing of the sort.
I'm giving my view, which you disagree with as is your right, just as it is my right to hold that view.
I take it you are ok with people having a view that is different to yours? At least in theory?
I'm not defending it, I already said he made a mistake.
I'm just not blowing out of all proportion, like some are.
I'm not blowing it out of all proportion either, I'm just giving my view.
Clearly you have issues with being disagreed with.
You can have a view, but when you use the wrong words to describe someone's actions,then people will call you on it.
Nothing he did comes close to rifling and the only reason I can see you using it is for the reasons I gave.