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Study shows children exposed to religion can't differentiate fact and fiction

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    bollywoodbollywood Posts: 67,769
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    GayAtheist wrote: »
    Sounds mind-numbing

    It's more mind numbing of the persons who designed that study to be seemingly unaware of the normative stages of child development, per Piaget.

    The father did the right thing by participating with his child and enriching imagination.
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    GayAtheistGayAtheist Posts: 1,484
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    bollywood wrote: »
    It's more mind numbing of the persons who designed that study to be seemingly unaware of the normative stages of child development, per Piaget.
    You have read the full study and know the researchers to be unaware of the stages of child development?
    The father did the right thing by participating with his child and enriching imagination.
    If you say so.
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    GayAtheistGayAtheist Posts: 1,484
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    I thought science already had proved evolution, a theory that has no need for and has no evidence of the involvement of God the creator - designer of the world and mankind.

    I think that abiogenesis is the theory that deals with creation, rather than evolution.
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,306
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    Ramo1234 wrote: »
    What makes me laugh about this is that the people doing this study probably didn't go round asking every 5-6 year old child and thought they would just make the assumption that all of the children are like the way they have stated then make something up and call it a 'study'.

    Exactly. It's a load of nonsense. It's all a bit laughable.
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    GayAtheistGayAtheist Posts: 1,484
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    zx50 wrote: »
    Exactly. It's a load of nonsense. It's all a bit laughable.

    Thanks for your in-depth scientific rebuttal.
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    tealadytealady Posts: 26,270
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    Was there a significant difference between White, African American and Asian American children?
    And what is the difference between a public school and a parochial one?
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    bollywoodbollywood Posts: 67,769
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    GayAtheist wrote: »
    You have read the full study and know the researchers to be unaware of the stages of child development?


    If you say so.

    Have you read the full study? Being aware of the stages of development I wouldn't conduct this study.

    In addition you changed the wording of the results, to make it different from what was actually concluded.
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    1965Wolf1965Wolf Posts: 1,783
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    The clue to all of this is in the third line of the OP's first paragraph.

    It may well be that children will think such things are not impossible. Others will think they are impossible. But on what grounds? Not scientific grounds I assure you.

    The question of whether there is a supernatural cannot be answered by science. It is a metaphysical one, and the weight of that debate in my view is very much in favour of there being a God. To argue the contrary is of course possible, but in my view ultimately self defeating.
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    tealadytealady Posts: 26,270
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    1965Wolf wrote: »
    It may well be that children will think such things are not impossible. Others will think they are impossible. But on what grounds? Not scientific grounds I assure you.
    The study suggests that one explanation is that children are disposed to credulity unless otherwise taught by their family.
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,306
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    bollywood wrote: »
    Have you read the full study? Being aware of the stages of development I wouldn't conduct this study.

    In addition you changed the wording of the results, to make it different from what was actually concluded.

    If true, that doesn't surprise me one bit.
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    1965Wolf1965Wolf Posts: 1,783
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    crystallad wrote: »
    The sooner science can prove the method we were created and prove religion is fictional the happier this world will be! Prove to the martyrs there is no paradise ! With no religion the world will be happier

    You mean like the aetheistic states such as the former USSR and the existing North Korea? They really were/are great places to live!!!
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    1965Wolf1965Wolf Posts: 1,783
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    tealady wrote: »
    The study suggests that one explanation is that children are disposed to credulity unless otherwise taught by their family.

    That is exactly my point. On what grounds do their family tell them that? It is assuredly not scientific grounds. Science has no hope at all of telling us whether the supernatural is possible.
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    bollywoodbollywood Posts: 67,769
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    zx50 wrote: »
    If true, that doesn't surprise me one bit.

    Yes, children with religious exposure were not found to be unable to tell fact from fiction.

    They tended to judge fictional characters to be real. They determined that " religious teaching, especially miracle stories, leads children to a more generic receptivity toward the impossible, that is, a more wide-ranging acceptance that the impossible can happen in defiance of ordinary causal relations."

    Well, duh!

    And obviously being receptive is not the same as being unable to distinguish fact from fiction.
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    GayAtheistGayAtheist Posts: 1,484
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    bollywood wrote: »
    Have you read the full study? Being aware of the stages of development I wouldn't conduct this study.
    No I haven't. Are you a scientist?
    In addition you changed the wording of the results, to make it different from what was actually concluded.
    Have I?
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    tealadytealady Posts: 26,270
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    bollywood wrote: »
    Yes, children with religious exposure were not found to be unable to tell fact from fiction.
    In study 2, the religious children rarely gave a religious justification if they thought the story was real.
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    GayAtheistGayAtheist Posts: 1,484
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    1965Wolf wrote: »
    You mean like the aetheistic states such as the former USSR and the existing North Korea? They really were/are great places to live!!!

    I am making no excuses for these countries, (by the way it is spelt atheistic), you think the non-belief in these countries leads to their quality of life? How about looking at the politics, authoritarian regimes? Lets not pretend that the christian countries are anything special - the middle east (where this cult originated) is full of violence, abuse, murder, misogyny homophobia, prejudice, etc - when you read the so-called "holy" bible, you can see where they get their actions from .......
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    tealadytealady Posts: 26,270
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    GayAtheist wrote: »
    No I haven't. Are you a scientist?
    You understand that Cognitive Science is a multidisplinary journal and the that the authors are from Education and Social Science.
    What science are you drawing on ?
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    tealadytealady Posts: 26,270
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    GayAtheist wrote: »
    No I haven't.
    So you are going with the blog rather than reading the study.
    Is this because the blog meets your preconceptions?
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    GayAtheistGayAtheist Posts: 1,484
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    tealady wrote: »
    You understand that Cognitive Science is a multidisplinary journal and the that the authors are from Education and Social Science.
    What science are you drawing on ?
    I think you will find they are from disciplines including psychology, artificial intelligence, philosophy, neuroscience, linguistics, and anthropology. I make no claims about drawing from science. I have simply shared the study (well the abstract and blog link until I access the full study)
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    GayAtheistGayAtheist Posts: 1,484
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    tealady wrote: »
    So you are going with the blog rather than reading the study.
    Is this because the blog meets your preconceptions?
    I am going with the blog as it has had access to the full study, where as I have not. To be honest, I don't need the blog (or the study) to know about my preconceptions being true. Nice to have evidence to back it up though!
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    bollywoodbollywood Posts: 67,769
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    GayAtheist wrote: »
    No I haven't. Are you a scientist?


    Have I?

    The study only looked at whether children at 5 or 6 thought the protagonist could be real. That doesn't mean they can't distinguish fact from fiction. No such global conclusion can be drawn.
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    SkycladSkyclad Posts: 3,946
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    1965Wolf wrote: »
    You mean like the aetheistic states such as the former USSR and the existing North Korea? They really were/are great places to live!!!

    North Korea is not "aetheistic"
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    tealadytealady Posts: 26,270
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    GayAtheist wrote: »
    I am going with the blog as it has had access to the full study, where as I have not. To be honest, I don't need the blog (or the study) to know about my preconceptions being true. Nice to have evidence to back it up though!
    What evidence?
    You decided the blog was a 'true and fair' reflection of the journal, but you didn't test that.
    What other journals have the authors published? How often are they cited? What journals etc are they cited in?
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    tealadytealady Posts: 26,270
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    GayAtheist wrote: »
    I think you will find they are from disciplines including psychology, artificial intelligence, philosophy, neuroscience, linguistics, and anthropology. I make no claims about drawing from science. I have simply shared the study (well the abstract and blog link until I access the full study)
    So why did you frame the question to bollywood as are you a scientist? Why didn't you frame it along the ones in your first sentence?
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    tealadytealady Posts: 26,270
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    Skyclad wrote: »
    North Korea is not "aetheistic"
    How would you describe it then?
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