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Trsvis_BickleTrsvis_Bickle Posts: 9,202
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28440067
New broadband users shun UK porn filters, Ofcom finds

The vast majority of new broadband customers in the UK are opting out of "child friendly" filters when prompted to install them by service providers.

The industry watchdog Ofcom found fewer than one in seven households installed the feature, which is offered by BT, Sky, TalkTalk and Virgin Media.

Well, what a surprise that news is. Of the four main ISPs, all of whom now offer a filter at the point of sign-up, TalkTalk was the only company to persuade more than 10% of people to subscribe.

Glad to see the public hasn't fallen for this particularly silly, ill-thought out measure. Question is, what is it about TalkTalk customers that makes so many of them opt for the filter, compared to the filth fans using the other ISPs?
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    ian_charlesian_charles Posts: 578
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28440067



    Well, what a surprise that news is. Of the four main ISPs, all of whom now offer a filter at the point of sign-up, TalkTalk was the only company to persuade more than 10% of people to subscribe.

    Glad to see the public hasn't fallen for this particularly silly, ill-thought out measure. Question is, what is it about TalkTalk customers that makes so many of them opt for the filter, compared to the filth fans using the other ISPs?


    I'm bored of it....think I've seen every pic and vid.......:D
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    tealadytealady Posts: 26,268
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    The filters weren't just about porn though, but also but any adult content including advice about sex/drugs/self harm.
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    MoleskinMoleskin Posts: 3,098
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    I think it's more like people don't pay much notice when they sign up, with Talk Talk the "no porn" box is pre-ticked and you have to untick it so 36% opted for "no porn", whereas with the others you have to tick the box.
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    Glawster2002Glawster2002 Posts: 15,214
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    Funnily enough I've just read the story on the BBC web page.

    I think it is more to do with the fact adults don't want to be told by the government what they can, ot can not, look at.

    And, as tealady says, it went far beyond just porn.
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    wns_195wns_195 Posts: 13,573
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    The reason I don't install family safety software or elect family safety is that I don't have children. Adults can protect themselves from adult content by not going on sites that display adult content.
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    Glawster2002Glawster2002 Posts: 15,214
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    wns_195 wrote: »
    The reason I don't install family safety software or elect family safety is that I don't have children. Adults can protect themselves from adult content by not going on sites that display adult content.

    I don't have children either but as I have not changed providers this hasn't effected me.

    With regards Adult content I apply exactly the same principle.
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    Cameron exposed again.

    What a buffoon.
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    CravenHavenCravenHaven Posts: 13,953
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    I don't >bang< ever have to >cream< turn on a >bdsm< filter. It's not like >doggy< adult >jizz< stuff turns >facial< up like completely at >brazilian< random, or anything.
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    AxtolAxtol Posts: 8,480
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    I'm not surprised that lots of people don't want to subscribe to the Chinese model of internet censorship which is what this alleged "porn filter" really is.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 36,630
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    No doubt the Daily Mail will be absolutely livid, and start campaigning for even stricter censorship and to make the filters mandatory and on all the time.
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    DianaFireDianaFire Posts: 12,711
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    No doubt the Daily Mail will be absolutely livid, and start campaigning for even stricter censorship and to make the filters mandatory and on all the time.

    They'll be fr***ing at the g*sh.
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    ShrikeShrike Posts: 16,610
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    No doubt the Daily Mail will be absolutely livid, and start campaigning for even stricter censorship and to make the filters mandatory and on all the time.

    Though conveniently letting through the "Side Bar of Shame" - after all seeing which young actress is now "All Grown Up" or "Showing Her Womanly Curves" is a vital public service.;-)
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    Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28440067



    Well, what a surprise that news is. Of the four main ISPs, all of whom now offer a filter at the point of sign-up, TalkTalk was the only company to persuade more than 10% of people to subscribe.

    Glad to see the public hasn't fallen for this particularly silly, ill-thought out measure. Question is, what is it about TalkTalk customers that makes so many of them opt for the filter, compared to the filth fans using the other ISPs?

    Glad to see that people aren't being "shamed" into signing up for this stuff.

    As long as I'm paying full price for internet access, I'll have access to the entire f**king thing, thank you very much.
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    TerraCanisTerraCanis Posts: 14,099
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    Can we please not use the term "porn filters" when the scooe of these filters is wider than that.
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    Pisces CloudPisces Cloud Posts: 30,240
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    I suppose it might depend on who pays the bills. I'm single, no kids, don't view porn, anyway, but don't feel the need to sign up for stuff like this. However, I would probably feel differently if I had children. Most definitely after some of the horrible things I've read about that goes on out there. A totally different kettle of fish to the soft porn magazines of old.
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    Glawster2002Glawster2002 Posts: 15,214
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    I suppose it might depend on who pays the bills. I'm single, no kids, don't view porn, anyway, but don't feel the need to sign up for stuff like this. However, I would probably feel differently if I had children. Most definitely after some of the horrible things I've read about that goes on out there. A totally different kettle of fish to the soft porn magazines of old.

    If it were just a "porn filter" I could see see some semblence of a justification, although I would disagree with it, however this goes far beyond that to cover all "adult" content, much of which is information that should be available to those under 18, such as drug advice, etc, as has already been said.,
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    Trsvis_BickleTrsvis_Bickle Posts: 9,202
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    TerraCanis wrote: »
    Can we please not use the term "porn filters" when the scooe of these filters is wider than that.

    Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. :p

    Of the total content blocked, how much do you really think is stuff like 'drug advice'*?



    *clue: there really is a lot of porn on the internet
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    Trsvis_BickleTrsvis_Bickle Posts: 9,202
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    I suppose it might depend on who pays the bills. I'm single, no kids, don't view porn, anyway, but don't feel the need to sign up for stuff like this. However, I would probably feel differently if I had children. Most definitely after some of the horrible things I've read about that goes on out there. A totally different kettle of fish to the soft porn magazines of old.

    Well, I've got a teenage daughter and am perfectly capable of deciding for myself what I think is appropriate for her to see in terms of online content. I do not need a politician to tell me how to be a responsible parent.
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    GroutyGrouty Posts: 34,072
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    Its all the internet is for though, Porn, everyone knows that :p
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,289
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    Porn filters should be off by default. I'm sure parents out there will be intelligent enough to know how to switch them on. Besides, porn sites might be blocked, but what about hardcore porn images on Google? Porn is easily gotten from torrent sites as well. This porn block is only going to be half effective.
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,289
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    Grouty wrote: »
    Its all the internet is for though, Porn, everyone knows that :p

    Yeah, I bet there's quite a bit of porn downloaded.
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    ianradioianianradioian Posts: 75,049
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    They have had to offer a block by law or legislation. It's up to the user whether they use it or not.
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    ShrikeShrike Posts: 16,610
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    Grouty wrote: »
    Its all the internet is for though, Porn, everyone knows that :p

    It is for half the population, the other half use it for Videos of Kittens! :kitty:
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 36,630
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    Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. :p

    Of the total content blocked, how much do you really think is stuff like 'drug advice'*?



    *clue: there really is a lot of porn on the internet

    1 in 5 sites blocked by mandatory content filters*
    https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2014/blockedproject

    *of course that depends on which stuff the account owner has chosen to block if they are with those providers that allow you to block different categories of stuff. Plus different companies have different ideas as to what constitutes porn, and some are more over zealous than others. Plus the way they go about it isn't the same either, some just use a block list others use a block list but also block keywords too, leading to many perfectly legitimate non porn sites being blocked. It also means that if you change ISPs you cannot guarantee that the default settings block the same level of content that your previous ISP might have done.


    Whatever way you look at it though, it has proven (so far) to be one colossal waste of time, money and effort for pretty much no gain. Exactly what the critics said would happen.

    The costs would have been far better spent on an education programme. The ISPs could have designed a pack, and sent it to every account holder detailing the various methods of filtering already available, highlighting those that are free, details on how to download them, how to set them up and including links to organisations such as Childline, the NSPCC, the IWF and CEOPS etc. for those who are concerned or for children who may already have come across things that are disturbing.

    Better sex education is needed too, with kids being taught that porn is not real life. Being taught what is legal when they are old enough, and what is not. The dangers of "sexting", the dangers of putting pics of themselves online etc. etc.

    If you are a website owner and worried that your site might be blocked, you can check which ISPs block your site if the filters are activated here:
    https://www.blocked.org.uk/
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    WokStationWokStation Posts: 23,112
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    Thread on this in politics.
    http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?p=73865475#post73865475
    I was never asked (recently switched), and wouldn't activate it if I was.
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