It's all very well saying I should show some compassion but to put it another way, how would you feel if someone came to you and asked for money because they needed help with losing weight because they had problems due to being obese and the minute you hand them a tenner they walk straight across the road to the chip shop and spend it on a fish supper.
Now, would you keep giving them money or would you say no chance not doing that again because they didn't use on what I gave it them for?
What if they had given you the money in the first place?
Yes but the difference is I don't claim disability benefits to help me with self inflicted smoking or drinking related illnesses and then use that money to carry on smoking and drinking. Plus I am not being treated by the NHS for such but if I was I would expect to have to pay for my own treatment seeing as it's totally my own fault.
Yet there are many obese people who are like that because they simply refuse to change to a healthier lifestyle. People aren't born obese. They get like that mostly through overeating and not exercising enough so it's mostly self inflicted and despite having major life threatening health problems related to their weight they continue to keep stuffing crap in the mouth all day. How is that even trying to help yourself?
I'm not against giving people benefits if it aids their situation or even helps them out of their situation altogether but should we really keep giving these people handouts so they can use it to carry on eating themselves to death when it's all self inflicted? How much of a burden does this put on society and the NHS?
Depends how far you want to take the meaning self inflicted and helping yourself, well reading your posts you state the you suffer from anxiety and depression and are being treated by your GP and other people yet at the same time you also state that you spend most nights in the pub drinking heavly, yet you know that drinking when depressed only makes things worse, so dont you think you should pratice what you preach. But if that is how you deal with your depression that is up to you, but i dont think its fair you judge other people.
Depends how far you want to take the meaning self inflicted and helping yourself, well reading your posts you state the you suffer from anxiety and depression and are being treated by your GP and other people yet at the same time you also state that you spend most nights in the pub drinking heavly, yet you know that drinking when depressed only makes things worse, so dont you think you should pratice what you preach. But if that is how you deal with your depression that is up to you, but i dont think its fair you judge other people.
With all due respect you have no idea how my depression is affected.
While alcohol can make some people depressed it actually alleviates my condition. It helps calm me down and feel more relaxed which helps my anxiety and getting out of the house and socialising makes me feel less depressed. If anything it's staying in the house staring at the same 4 walls that makes me worse. Plus the drink hasn't caused my depression as it's something I've had long before I drank so it's totally unrelated. I chose to stop drinking because I was doing it too much and got fed up of waking up feeling like crap and spending too much. I haven't asked anyone to help me with that and nor am I claiming it as a disability.
Why do we need legislation to cover what should be considered common courtesy? How bizarre that some people need to be told under what circumstances we should be considerate to another human being who might be struggling with a physical or mental health issue.
Yes but the difference is I don't claim disability benefits to help me with self inflicted smoking or drinking related illnesses
Presumably you do not claim DLA because you are not severely disabled. You can hardly pretend to be against DLA in principle, having said that two members of your household claim it. Are you really going to claim that you would never claim it if you were no longer able to perform ordinary self-care tasks because of smoking/ drinking related illness? How would you pay for your extra care?
It's all very well saying I should show some compassion but to put it another way, how would you feel if someone came to you and asked for money because they needed help with losing weight because they had problems due to being obese and the minute you hand them a tenner they walk straight across the road to the chip shop and spend it on a fish supper.
Yes, because of course there is absolutely no difference between someone with severe disabilities getting their legally accessed assistance and someone walking up to you in the street and asking for money, is there?
I didn't say they were all fat, I was talking about myself
You're missing the point, you claim you are obese because you can't exercise, my point is if that were true, everyone who can't exercise would be the same.
It's just excuses, if you, or anybody else, eats more calories than they burn off they will get fat.
You've posted your diet all over the internet for several years, and it's terrible, this is why you are obese, not your inability to exercise.
You're missing the point, you claim you are obese because you can't exercise, my point is if that were true, everyone who can't exercise would be the same.
It's just excuses, if you, or anybody else, eats more calories than they burn off they will get fat.
You've posted your diet all over the internet for several years, and it's terrible, this is why you are obese, not your inability to exercise.
Again, when I could exercise I could lose eating 2500-3000 exercise
So while it might not be all of the reason it's the main reason
Again, when I could exercise I could lose eating 2500-3000 exercise
So while it might not be all of the reason it's the main reason
It's not the main reason, you now don't need 2500-3000 calories so there's no reason to eat that many. Simple.
Again, more calories in than out, you gain weight. So to lose you either need to burn more off, or put less in. If you can't do the former, then it's either the latter, or be overweight, then obese.
It's not the main reason, you now don't need 2500-3000 calories so there's no reason to eat that many. Simple.
Again, more calories in than out, you gain weight. So to lose you either need to burn more off, or put less in. If you can't do the former, then it's either the latter, or be overweight, then obese.
It's not the main reason, you now don't need 2500-3000 calories so there's no reason to eat that many. Simple.
Again, more calories in than out, you gain weight. So to lose you either need to burn more off, or put less in. If you can't do the former, then it's either the latter, or be overweight, then obese.
True. Too many kcals make you fat, not lack of exercise. I can easily eat 5000kcals per day when training intensely, however when I had a car crash and injured my back, I didn't continue eating 5000kcals per day, as I would have got fat.
True. Too many kcals make you fat, not lack of exercise. I can easily eat 5000kcals per day when training intensely, however when I had a car crash and injured my back, I didn't continue eating 5000kcals per day, as I would have got fat.
For some NHS operations obese people have to lose weight to qualify.
Not quite true. You have to have a certain BMI in order to fit the NICE criteria. Some people fall short of that so stuff themselves for a few months and go back and bingo they've met the criteria and get their op on the NHS.
Prior to the op They then have to go on a very low calorie diet of stuff like milk, sugar free jelly etc which makes their liver smaller in size and therefore easier for the surgeon to work around. This is usually for a couple of weeks.
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What if they had given you the money in the first place?
Depends how far you want to take the meaning self inflicted and helping yourself, well reading your posts you state the you suffer from anxiety and depression and are being treated by your GP and other people yet at the same time you also state that you spend most nights in the pub drinking heavly, yet you know that drinking when depressed only makes things worse, so dont you think you should pratice what you preach. But if that is how you deal with your depression that is up to you, but i dont think its fair you judge other people.
With all due respect you have no idea how my depression is affected.
While alcohol can make some people depressed it actually alleviates my condition. It helps calm me down and feel more relaxed which helps my anxiety and getting out of the house and socialising makes me feel less depressed. If anything it's staying in the house staring at the same 4 walls that makes me worse. Plus the drink hasn't caused my depression as it's something I've had long before I drank so it's totally unrelated. I chose to stop drinking because I was doing it too much and got fed up of waking up feeling like crap and spending too much. I haven't asked anyone to help me with that and nor am I claiming it as a disability.
Do you know in the Olympic Games there are overweight/obese athletes
Yes, and it also means that they could afford to pay my 100% surcharge on airfares too.
Your weight gain was/is caused by your horrendous diet.
No, it WAS (not is since I'm no longer gaining weight) caused by me eating too much and doing no exercise
The more you exercise the more you can eat
When I could do weights I could lose eating 2500-3000 calories
So, not your disability then, as was my original point.
How much weight did you lose this month then, out of interest?
As for the OP, I think anyone who is disabled should be helped with benefits etc. however much they are 'to blame' for their condition.
I can't exercise because of my disability
Plenty of people can't exercise, they aren't all fat. They just don't overeat.
I didn't say they were all fat, I was talking about myself
You're missing the point, you claim you are obese because you can't exercise, my point is if that were true, everyone who can't exercise would be the same.
It's just excuses, if you, or anybody else, eats more calories than they burn off they will get fat.
You've posted your diet all over the internet for several years, and it's terrible, this is why you are obese, not your inability to exercise.
Again, when I could exercise I could lose eating 2500-3000 exercise
So while it might not be all of the reason it's the main reason
It's not the main reason, you now don't need 2500-3000 calories so there's no reason to eat that many. Simple.
Again, more calories in than out, you gain weight. So to lose you either need to burn more off, or put less in. If you can't do the former, then it's either the latter, or be overweight, then obese.
It is the main reason
I know me better than you
True. Too many kcals make you fat, not lack of exercise. I can easily eat 5000kcals per day when training intensely, however when I had a car crash and injured my back, I didn't continue eating 5000kcals per day, as I would have got fat.
It's not about knowing anyone, it's basic science!
I don't care what you think tbh
I know the reason I'm fat not you
To re-hash my last post...
It's not about my thinking, it's basic science!
I don't care
Exactly. :cool:
Shock horror.
Not quite true. You have to have a certain BMI in order to fit the NICE criteria. Some people fall short of that so stuff themselves for a few months and go back and bingo they've met the criteria and get their op on the NHS.
Prior to the op They then have to go on a very low calorie diet of stuff like milk, sugar free jelly etc which makes their liver smaller in size and therefore easier for the surgeon to work around. This is usually for a couple of weeks.