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Hamas and Israel: Neither are justified
TheTruth1983
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Which ever side you are on with regards the Gaza conflict, do not dare try to tell me they are justified because nether side are.
Hamas are cruel and cowardly. The blindly fire rockets into Israel endangering innocent lives, they send suicide bombers into Israel with the intention of killing civilians and they hide behind innocent civilians with no regard for their safety.
The Israelis are cruel and draconian. Their indiscriminate bombing of schools, hospitals, homes etc has done more damage than Hamas rockets ever could. They keep Palestinians confined to an area smaller than County Tipperary.
As far as I am concerned, there are those on both sides who are in breach of international law and they should be found, arrested and frog marched to the Hague for trial.
Hamas are cruel and cowardly. The blindly fire rockets into Israel endangering innocent lives, they send suicide bombers into Israel with the intention of killing civilians and they hide behind innocent civilians with no regard for their safety.
The Israelis are cruel and draconian. Their indiscriminate bombing of schools, hospitals, homes etc has done more damage than Hamas rockets ever could. They keep Palestinians confined to an area smaller than County Tipperary.
As far as I am concerned, there are those on both sides who are in breach of international law and they should be found, arrested and frog marched to the Hague for trial.
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What, all of them?
The Israeli government and military
What needs to happen is Hamas needs to accept Israel exists and stop firing rockets and Israel needs to stop building settlements and give back a bit of what they have already stolen. Problem solved. Likelihood of this happening: 0%.
And lets not forget the state of Israel was formed on the back of terrorism in the 40's and 50's. Murdering British soldiers that only a few years earlier had actually liberated some of those doing the killing from Nazi concentration camps.
From what i understand the whole area of what is currently Israel and Gaza has historically been largely Palestinian with Jewish settlements there as well. Since the 1950's Israel has gradually been taking more and more of the land.
But the point is they have been fighting for so long that who was there first is irrelevant to getting peace now. The only way to do this is for Israel to completely stop its settlement building and give some land back as a gesture of goodwill and both sides to draw up a definitive border.
Wars are violent and people get killed. If the people who object to this were around in World War 2, Germany may have won.
That's a bit reductive.
Agreed.
Balfour Declaration
Really, I mean really? I am glad I do not see things as you do.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/will-hamas-recognize-israel-as-a-jewish-state/
Ya what now? I haven't even read the wikipedia entry on this...?
Hamas won't recognise Israel, Israel won't recognise Palestine, the Western world backs Israel no matter what.
The whole situation is a mess of entrenched positions and no one wants to compromise.
I see the propaganda of Hamas is working rather well, blowing up schools and hospitals, but when hospitals and schools are being used as military bases and supply dumps then of course they are legitimate targets.
Israel has agreed to recognise Palestine as a state it was only refused because of a dispute over Jerusalem and the west bank because the Palestinians wanted all of it.
If it is really a dispute over stolen Palestinian land why don't they want Jordan back? possibly because the people pushing for it are part of the muslim brotherhood who want to set up a caliphate and don't really care who has the land so long as it isn't the Jewish people and openly say they wont stop fighting until all of Palestine is liberated.
All of them ?
So where is this land being taken from? So you think that Israel moves its borders a few metres every year and pinches extra bits of land from Egypt, Jordan etc? The land Israel owns is land won during the ARab wars. Egypt was given back the Sinai peninsular including the oilfields after signing a peace treaty with Israel. Jordan refused so Israel kept the West Bank. There is no extra bits of land being "Stolen".