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maidinscotland
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So granda, remember that referendum back in 2014?
Aye, what aboot it son?
Just curious, what way did you vote granda?
Well, (change in tone) I voted no son.
Really granda, why did you choose to vote no?
Eh, because. .
Because what granda?
Eh. . . Eh. . . because I didn't like that Alex Salmond.
Alex who ?
Alex bloody Salmond, he was the first minister, nobody liked him.
Oh ok, but did he no pass away 10 years ago?
Aye, but still.
But still what granda? surely he wasn't the reason you voted NO, just because you never liked him, there must of been another reason?
Eh......Because your better wi the devil you know son.
But granda, my history teacher says, at the referendum we were £1.6 trillion in debt, there was cutbacks five years in a row and the national debt still went up everyday, the NHS was a shambles and there was food banks all over the country?
Aye that's true but . . . . . . . . . (Stuck for an answer)
So granda, if there was cutbacks for five years in a row, why did the national debt not come down?
Eh, . . . Well Westminster were obviously incompetent and they were building expensive things.
Building things, Like what granda?
Well son, you know that fast train between Birmingham and London you've never been on, they built that, that cost about £17 billion.
But wasn't there a train line there already?
Aye son, but they wanted a faster one.
Doesn't seem right that, especially with all those food banks everywhere, did they build anything else granda?
Well son, you see all those fancy new nuclear weapons near Glasgow?
Aye, what aboot them?
Well, they cost over £30billion to replace, and £3billion a year running costs.
But granda, did Alex Salmond not want to get rid of nuclear weapons?
Aye, he did that.
Did Salmond not promise free child care for mothers wanting to work?
Aye, he did that.
Did he also abolish tuition fees?
Eh.....Aye, he did that.
Was it not him that introduced free prescriptions?
Aye, that was him.
Was it not under his government, we had the council tax freeze?
Aye, that's right.
Ok granda, so what happened to all the food banks?
Well, More and more appeared son.
Gee wizz, did you know all this when you voted NO?
Eh. .....Aye I did son.
So why did you vote NO then?
Well, there was this man on the telly shouting at Salmond saying it was his pound.
But granda, did that man, the prime minister and that chancellor not say only 12 months before the referendum, that it was 'desirable and logical' that we should all use the pound?
Aye son, they did, but they changed their minds nearer the time as they were obviously wanting us to vote NO.
Did they not also say that Scotland was subsidised by the UK, so why were they so desperate for Scotland to stay in the UK?
Well, they never really answered that one son.
But granda, did you know that in many years up to the referendum Scotland was raising more revenue per head of population than the rest of the UK?
Aye, a knew that too.
I still don't understand granda, why would you vote NO?
Well another man on the TV said there would be men with machine guns at the border.
But granda, there are no men with machine guns or any other men at the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland.
Aye, I knew that as well.
Granda, I really don't understand why you voted NO?
Well son. . .all the English politicians and media said it was for the best.
But how could it be for the best granda, could you not see through the bluff and scaremongering? Did you not want change?
Aye son, everybody did, but I was scared of change.
So what happened in the years after the NO vote?
(Big sigh). . . . We'll talk aboot that another night son.
Aye, what aboot it son?
Just curious, what way did you vote granda?
Well, (change in tone) I voted no son.
Really granda, why did you choose to vote no?
Eh, because. .
Because what granda?
Eh. . . Eh. . . because I didn't like that Alex Salmond.
Alex who ?
Alex bloody Salmond, he was the first minister, nobody liked him.
Oh ok, but did he no pass away 10 years ago?
Aye, but still.
But still what granda? surely he wasn't the reason you voted NO, just because you never liked him, there must of been another reason?
Eh......Because your better wi the devil you know son.
But granda, my history teacher says, at the referendum we were £1.6 trillion in debt, there was cutbacks five years in a row and the national debt still went up everyday, the NHS was a shambles and there was food banks all over the country?
Aye that's true but . . . . . . . . . (Stuck for an answer)
So granda, if there was cutbacks for five years in a row, why did the national debt not come down?
Eh, . . . Well Westminster were obviously incompetent and they were building expensive things.
Building things, Like what granda?
Well son, you know that fast train between Birmingham and London you've never been on, they built that, that cost about £17 billion.
But wasn't there a train line there already?
Aye son, but they wanted a faster one.
Doesn't seem right that, especially with all those food banks everywhere, did they build anything else granda?
Well son, you see all those fancy new nuclear weapons near Glasgow?
Aye, what aboot them?
Well, they cost over £30billion to replace, and £3billion a year running costs.
But granda, did Alex Salmond not want to get rid of nuclear weapons?
Aye, he did that.
Did Salmond not promise free child care for mothers wanting to work?
Aye, he did that.
Did he also abolish tuition fees?
Eh.....Aye, he did that.
Was it not him that introduced free prescriptions?
Aye, that was him.
Was it not under his government, we had the council tax freeze?
Aye, that's right.
Ok granda, so what happened to all the food banks?
Well, More and more appeared son.
Gee wizz, did you know all this when you voted NO?
Eh. .....Aye I did son.
So why did you vote NO then?
Well, there was this man on the telly shouting at Salmond saying it was his pound.
But granda, did that man, the prime minister and that chancellor not say only 12 months before the referendum, that it was 'desirable and logical' that we should all use the pound?
Aye son, they did, but they changed their minds nearer the time as they were obviously wanting us to vote NO.
Did they not also say that Scotland was subsidised by the UK, so why were they so desperate for Scotland to stay in the UK?
Well, they never really answered that one son.
But granda, did you know that in many years up to the referendum Scotland was raising more revenue per head of population than the rest of the UK?
Aye, a knew that too.
I still don't understand granda, why would you vote NO?
Well another man on the TV said there would be men with machine guns at the border.
But granda, there are no men with machine guns or any other men at the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland.
Aye, I knew that as well.
Granda, I really don't understand why you voted NO?
Well son. . .all the English politicians and media said it was for the best.
But how could it be for the best granda, could you not see through the bluff and scaremongering? Did you not want change?
Aye son, everybody did, but I was scared of change.
So what happened in the years after the NO vote?
(Big sigh). . . . We'll talk aboot that another night son.
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Your post hit me like a wave of infinite sadness permeating through my monitor.
What's not to get?
That's because it will indeed be a sad day if people don't take a leap of faith.
Could you please summarise? In English.
The attitude that people cba figuring out your opinion from a sarcastic and convoluted post shouldn't make you sad.
Just post what you think and we can debate the points.
I'm struggling to care what happens either way so don't have strong opinions on it anyway.
Would prefer you didn't break the union but mind the door on your arse on the way out if you do.
My post isn't sarcastic and it demonstrates reasons why I think Scotland should vote YES, if people are too lazy to read through it then so be it.
I'm not sure why it should make you sad. You have your opinions on the merits of Scottish independence, which is fine and dandy, but then you have effectively posted the arguments of the pro-Scottish independence campaign in a manner that suggests that only reason people might vote "no" is because of blind ignorance (and not because there might be a whole host of valid arguments and misgivings which give justifiable weight to their decision). It is condescending at best.
By all means, present your range of arguments for the case if you wish, but don't belittle those with opposing views.
Your suggestion that the majority of Scots are dim-witted numbskulls who can't think for themselves is perhaps rude, but definitely wrong. And if you are right, maybe it is best that Scotland isn't allowed to totally govern itself?
An awkward conversation between grandson and grandad transpires in which Granda, the grandad, reveals he voted against Scottish independence. The grandson, Son, is shocked to discover this and probes further, finding out his beloved grandad voted against independence because of his dislike of Alex Salmond, the pound, because the English politicians said voting no would be for the best and because everyone was scared of change.
Son is disillusioned because of the apparent waste of money HS2 and Trident are in a financial climate where food banks are allegedly commonplace and indicates Alex Salmond abolished tuition fees, prescription charges and froze council tax amongst other things.
It ends on a cliffhanger where Granda expresses some regret with voting no by sighing to a question Son has about the years after the no vote. This indicates the no vote had negative consequences for Scotland.
A leap of faith is a big thing to ask of people if they're not confident in those who are going to be leading them and if the debate showed anything it was that Salmond really hasn't got much of a clue what happens next. The romantic notion of a Scotland ruled from Edinburgh is all your side really has to go on, it's no wonder many people are worried.
You shouldn't dismiss people's fears as simply giving in to scaremongering. They could just as easily dismiss your views as having your head in the clouds without having a clue about reality.
But it isn't your post you've copied and pasted it from elsewhere and failed to attribute it.
The tone of the piece is entirely sarcastic.
Thank you. I found it incomprehensible.
I'de need a lot more than that to vote yes. Some polices by the SNP would help.
Well make it easy to read and not like a bloody story. Anyway its going to be no, so get used to it.