It might sound shocking to people in the UK, but that is only because we don't have guns so deeply ingrained in our culture and constitution like the US does. Many people here balk even at the idea of police officers being routinely armed, the people who really would benefit from carrying a gun, never mind civilians having them.
Yes because the cops in the US are so trustful. Since 1990 the police force in America has had 4.3 BILLION dollars pumped into it for arms.
I just love how 300+ million people are classed as gun nutters for one stupid incident.
So on that basis then, everyone in the UK is a peadophile based on the 1400 incidents in Rotheram?
Stupid logic by stupid people.
I would never classify all Americans as stupid but the national stubbornness on gun control is pretty idiotic. The nra should not be able to prevent the president from passing a gun control bill. any responsible gun owner should not mind having to fill out a few more forms and bullets should not be sold in supermarkets.
This is what happens when you give a nine years old girl an Uzi. The U.S government will keep protecting the interests of the NRA, and will do nothing to protect the children and prevent them from shooting guns.
It might sound shocking to people in the UK, but that is only because we don't have guns so deeply ingrained in our culture and constitution like the US does. Many people here balk even at the idea of police officers being routinely armed, the people who really would benefit from carrying a gun, never mind civilians having them.
It's not all coppers who I don't trust with guns, but only the ones who wouldn't use shooting as a very last resort.
Whilst in my opinion a child should NEVER be firing anything greater than an air rifle, i can see the logic behind a US family who go hunting as a family activity wanting to teach their kids to use weapons responsibly, as completely messed up as that is.
However the very idea of a 9 year old firing an UZI is simply ludicrous. America is a scary place.
It's not one incident though is it. It happens every damn day.
There are more people in the US that are against the guns laws than for them, it's just that the constitution and the NRA as well as the gun trade in the U.S. will never allow the status quo to change.
So just blame the whole population instead then... because it's easier than having to actually think about it instead.
They are both sports and forms of entertainment. What useful things do you achieve by running around a field kicking a bag of air, or sitting in front of a TV watching someone else run around a field kicking a bag of air?
Running around a field keeps you fit, which helps you live longer. The same cannot be said for watching someone else do it, but in terms of entertainment, it's probably fairly low risk.
Riding a bike (the original comparison) helps you get to places like work or the shops, as well as keeping you fit, and being better for the environment (and cheaper) than running a car. If you go on a nice bike ride in the countryside, it helps you appreciate the world around you.
Teaching your child how to ride a bike, or having nice family days out on proper bike trails is a much better idea than taking them to a gun range to play with an Uzi. There is a risk they'll fall off an break something, but it's not actually that big a deal, especially when you consider the benefits.
With a gun, and especially that sort of environment, there is a risk that it might be used for its original design purpose, which is to kill someone. At best, you spend your afternoon pointing something at a target and hitting it. You might get satisfaction from being able to hit the target accurately, in which case, why have an Uzi? There are quite a lot of alternatives to guns that will serve that purpose, but some just like the thrill of playing with something lethal.
It's not one incident though is it. It happens every damn day.
It will do. Huge country. Lots of people. As a percentage of the actual armed population though, I imagine the frequency of these incidents is negligible.
True but they don't get the training they need to defuse a situation without shooting look at the ferguson debacle.
I disagree. There are millions of fantastic cops in America who have great skills and deal in great danger every day. Also the missouri issue is unfair to use as an example as there are blatantly 2 sides to that.
There are more people in the US that are against the guns laws than for them, it's just that the constitution and the NRA as well as the gun trade in the U.S. will never allow the status quo to change.
So just blame the whole population instead then... because it's easier than having to actually think about it instead.
I blame the Republicans it's quite clear that they only oppose gun legislation is because most of it's base are rednecks who think Jesus invented guns. They know if they were to agree with the democrats they would lose a good chunk of it's voter base and a lot of money from the gun lobby.
Actually they are not though. Here is the thing, I give no blame to parents in the USA that these things happen. What do you expect to happen when you live and grow up in a society where guns are as preventative as they are in the USA? It is no one who lives there's fault that gun laws from the Wild West times still exist and corrupt the society and mindset there.
A society where guns are part of everyday life doesn't absolve the parents from having any responsibility. If, for example, petrol powered chainsaws were deemed legal for use by anyone, you'd be an absolute moron allowing your child to operate one.
Just because something is legal and is part of the constitution, doesn't mean allowing your children to use is okay.
I disagree. There are millions of fantastic cops in America who have great skills and deal in great danger every day. Also the missouri issue is unfair to use as an example as there are blatantly 2 sides to that.
Oh true there are great cops in the US but like every police force in the world you have bad cops the difference between our bad cops and americas is americas cops are armed to the teeth.
And there is no 2 sides to the ferguson story, There is the truth and what the cops say.
It’s called risk vs reward. When risk is high and reward is low, we tend to err a little on the side of caution and try to mitigate that risk. When risk is idiotically high and reward is low, normal people despair at the inability of some to appreciate the difference.
This sort of thing rather demonstrates why despite the moaning that it sometimes goes too far, health and safety and ‘nanny state’ legislation is somewhat preferable to a free for all where people get to just decide for themselves what is dangerous. Some people really are utterly incapable of making that assessment rationally, as you ably demonstrate.
I am fully in favour of banning children from handling Uzis
Oh true there are great cops in the US but like every police force in the world you have bad cops the difference between our bad cops and americas is americas cops are armed to the teeth.
And there is no 2 sides to the ferguson story, There is the truth and what the cops say.
AFAIK it's looking more increasingly like a justified shooting every day.
Oh true there are great cops in the US but like every police force in the world you have bad cops the difference between our bad cops and americas is americas cops are armed to the teeth.
And there is no 2 sides to the ferguson story, There is the truth and what the cops say.
we'll have to agree to disagree on the ferguson thing.
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Is she likely to own one later in life?
Yes because the cops in the US are so trustful. Since 1990 the police force in America has had 4.3 BILLION dollars pumped into it for arms.
I would never classify all Americans as stupid but the national stubbornness on gun control is pretty idiotic. The nra should not be able to prevent the president from passing a gun control bill. any responsible gun owner should not mind having to fill out a few more forms and bullets should not be sold in supermarkets.
It's not one incident though is it. It happens every damn day.
It's not all coppers who I don't trust with guns, but only the ones who wouldn't use shooting as a very last resort.
American police forces do need guns though in a way that the irish and British police don't unless they're special branch etc
Where's my 'instant karma' thread
However the very idea of a 9 year old firing an UZI is simply ludicrous. America is a scary place.
True but they don't get the training they need to defuse a situation without shooting look at the ferguson debacle.
There are more people in the US that are against the guns laws than for them, it's just that the constitution and the NRA as well as the gun trade in the U.S. will never allow the status quo to change.
So just blame the whole population instead then... because it's easier than having to actually think about it instead.
Running around a field keeps you fit, which helps you live longer. The same cannot be said for watching someone else do it, but in terms of entertainment, it's probably fairly low risk.
Riding a bike (the original comparison) helps you get to places like work or the shops, as well as keeping you fit, and being better for the environment (and cheaper) than running a car. If you go on a nice bike ride in the countryside, it helps you appreciate the world around you.
Teaching your child how to ride a bike, or having nice family days out on proper bike trails is a much better idea than taking them to a gun range to play with an Uzi. There is a risk they'll fall off an break something, but it's not actually that big a deal, especially when you consider the benefits.
With a gun, and especially that sort of environment, there is a risk that it might be used for its original design purpose, which is to kill someone. At best, you spend your afternoon pointing something at a target and hitting it. You might get satisfaction from being able to hit the target accurately, in which case, why have an Uzi? There are quite a lot of alternatives to guns that will serve that purpose, but some just like the thrill of playing with something lethal.
while I find his profession distasteful, he wasn't doing anything illegal and rejoicing in his demise is frankly horrible.
It will do. Huge country. Lots of people. As a percentage of the actual armed population though, I imagine the frequency of these incidents is negligible.
I disagree. There are millions of fantastic cops in America who have great skills and deal in great danger every day. Also the missouri issue is unfair to use as an example as there are blatantly 2 sides to that.
There's one less person in the world who would put an Uzi in the hands of a 9 year old girl, that can't be a bad thing. Terrible for his family though
I blame the Republicans it's quite clear that they only oppose gun legislation is because most of it's base are rednecks who think Jesus invented guns. They know if they were to agree with the democrats they would lose a good chunk of it's voter base and a lot of money from the gun lobby.
the parents are the ones who allowed it. He's only doing what they asked.
A society where guns are part of everyday life doesn't absolve the parents from having any responsibility. If, for example, petrol powered chainsaws were deemed legal for use by anyone, you'd be an absolute moron allowing your child to operate one.
Just because something is legal and is part of the constitution, doesn't mean allowing your children to use is okay.
Oh true there are great cops in the US but like every police force in the world you have bad cops the difference between our bad cops and americas is americas cops are armed to the teeth.
And there is no 2 sides to the ferguson story, There is the truth and what the cops say.
"Automatic weapon."
"Nine year old child."
"Nation of gun nuts."
But, I bet if the safety catch was on and / or the gun was not pointing at the instructor she wouldn't have shot him.
A simple lesson of "Don't point guns at people" would probably have prevented the accident.
we'll have to agree to disagree on the ferguson thing.
Sure i'm not going to berate you, you have your opinion and i have mine on the situation, i could be wrong.