The local newspaper has for tomorrows newspaper paints an incredibly grim picture of the town. Rotherham is now tainted and the consequences of what has come out will go way beyond the PCC, council officials and Police.
Rotherham is very much a "rotten borough". Everything about politics and public services in that town just wreaks of incompetence and corruption.
I just realised didn't one of the Trojan Horse schools teach children white women were prostitutes? Gosh, this needs to be sorted out soon. Draining of the crocodile swamp indeed.
What are you on about 'Again changing the subject'?? I was commenting on your post, of which you took off topic, not me. You really need to stop twisting things!
The LOL was for you. I was laughing at you. Twisting things again!!
Which I took off topic? ??
I think you need to read back and see the chain of comments and counter comments, then you might actually be in a better position to judge who it was that took us "off topic"
Absolutely disgusting comment, to say the Labour voters are "idiots" is the sort of typical insult and sweeping generalisation that we have come to expect from certain 'right-wing' types, as I have said before there is quite a large element who can only think in terms of with us or against us, with us, or with them, on or off, black or white, just the extremes of every topic.
But to suggest that Labour voters WANT this to happen, is probably the most vile and disgusting thing I have seen posted here in a very long while, if not since I have been a forum member.
You are seriously saying that Labour voters want children to be molested? what about the parents of some of the children that are victims of these crimes? do you think they are all 'decent' Tory voters? do you think these animals deliberately targeted the children of parents who don't vote Labour?
do you actually and seriously believe that every single Labour voter voted that way because they WANTED their children to be raped? I call on all decent and respectable Tory supporters (and I know there are many) to respond to this disgusting statement.
and so far none have so am I to conclude that every single Tory voter in this thread believes that Labour voters want children to be raped as Valer020 claims?
Still "on topic"? good, because that post got the following response.
I'll do that when you agree that Nick Griffin was actually right on this subject, and that he should never have been put on trial twice for suggesting that there were Muslim peadophile gangs operating in Rotherham.
MY question was addressed to Valer020 and not gocompletelynut, who decided to 'wade in' and ask about Nick Griffin? on trial? answering a question that wasn't even asked of him/her, by asking a question of their own while ignoring my question to the person I quoted?
I think there is the person you might want to discuss "topic" with, right there.
I replied to his/her question (because I try to respond to questions even though MY question wasn't addressed to him/her) with....
You think I will agree with him? don't hold your breath.
ETA,
So you DO think that everyone who votes Labour wants to see their own and other peoples children raped? because that's what I was asking, I never mentioned Griffin or the BNP so stop avoiding the question.
to which I respond, and I admit I thought at this point it was YOU who introduced Griffin into things,
it's sometimes hard to keep up when lots of people start wading in when you have asked a specific poster a question and everyone and their dog wants to answer for them.
and again you change the subject and avoid answering my question, as for Griffin even a broken clock is right twice a day, and he was acquitted so what's your problem? and I am glad you find the subject amusing "LOL"
NOW,back on topic, do you agree with the remark that I was responding to which stated that people who vote Labour do so because they want children to be raped?
BIB, IS "on topic, yes/no?
and finally we arrive at you accusing ME of going "off topic"
What are you on about 'Again changing the subject'?? I was commenting on your post, of which you took off topic, not me. You really need to stop twisting things!
The LOL was for you. I was laughing at you. Twisting things again!!
care to point out where I was "twisting things" only from the exchange above it's quite clear that I was doing my best to STAY "on topic" despite others determination to go off,
I have read it through and I honestly can't see where I have either "gone off topic" or "twisted things"
I don't think I said that, did I? But are you questioning that they are muslims? If so, maybe you need to ask Ethel Fred, she brought it up.
For what it's worth, I would think it's very highly likely that they are.
There are people of other faiths in pakistan but their religion is irrelevent. IMO, those who keep on trying to switch it to a muslim thing are just trying to generalise it onto islam so they can bash muslims in general without being called racist.
P.S. Re BIB, I thought so. I wasn't even reposnding to you when I wrote that post!
I just realised didn't one of the Trojan Horse schools teach children white women were prostitutes? Gosh, this needs to be sorted out soon. Draining of the crocodile swamp indeed.
You keep saying this, but who is actually doing that?
I'm not denying what the ethnicity of the culprits are but I sure will object to those who try and smear all people of the same ethnic background as being the same!
I'm not denying what the ethnicity of the culprits are but I sure will object to those who try and smear all people of the same ethnic background as being the same!
Is the difference clear enough for you now?!
That is what I am asking you!!! You keep on making this comment, but who is supposedly doing this?
There are people of other faiths in pakistan but their religion is irrelevent. IMO, those who keep on trying to switch it to a muslim thing are just trying to generalise it onto islam so they can bash muslims in general without being called racist.
P.S. Re BIB, I thought so. I wasn't even reposnding to you when I wrote that post!
I think its obvious you're trying to keep this thread bumped up in general but no, you can't pin this on islam at all. The religion doesn't call for such things, doesn't allow alcohol, doesn't allow the forcing of people into sex and only allows sex in marriage too.
I suspect people who want to try and shift it on islam is because they don't want to risk being called racist if they generalise against all people of pakistani heritage which some people are doing out there but they are the usual suspects it seems to.
p.s The trojan horse stuff seemed very unfounded and vindictive on saying it was an ismalist take over plot. It sounded like a few pushy parents wanting/expecting certain things and because they were muslim the teachers went round calling it an islamist take over but the reports didn't show evidence of that at all.
Indigenous people commit such crimes too as they do in most other crimes.
For a religion that "does not allow alcohol" the Muslim shop keepers sell an awful lot of it... Likewise porn mags.
I think its obvious you're trying to keep this thread bumped up in general but no, you can't pin this on islam at all. The religion doesn't call for such things, doesn't allow alcohol, doesn't allow the forcing of people into sex and only allows sex in marriage too.
I suspect people who want to try and shift it on islam is because they don't want to risk being called racist if they generalise against all people of pakistani heritage which some people are doing out there but they are the usual suspects it seems to.
p.s The trojan horse stuff seemed very unfounded and vindictive on saying it was an ismalist take over plot. It sounded like a few pushy parents wanting/expecting certain things and because they were muslim the teachers went round calling it an islamist take over but the reports didn't show evidence of that at all.
Indigenous people commit such crimes too as they do in most other crimes.
I think you are being somewhat naive if you believe islam has played no part in this.
Islam, like all the abrahamic religions, promotes a misogynistic attitude towards women, which gives some men very strange ideas of what is permissible in society.
Likewise, the same can be said of the culture of Pakistan and the surrounding areas.
These two things seem to be the main common denominators in these sexual exploitation cases and can't and shouldn't be overlooked.
Of course the problems go far deeper and it would be wrong to lay this whole problem with Muslims or Pakistanis, the care of vulnerable children in our society is quite appalling.
Children from care homes have been receiving this sort of abuse since time immemorial, long before islam or Pakistanis reached our shores.
We can only hope that these new revelations of mass abuse of children can make society and the authorities stand up and say no more.
We need to do whatever it takes to finally start to protect those which are the most vulnerable in our society, if that means stepping on a few toes and upsetting some people, then so be it.
And if they refuse, purple like you complain they want special treatment and need to integrate. They can't win against prejudiced people.
Why would I complain? Remember Muslims don't allow alcohol the next time you are in a Muslim corner shop or fuel garage and are confronted by rows of porn and fridges full of booze. Mammon.
I think its obvious you're trying to keep this thread bumped up in general but no, you can't pin this on islam at all. The religion doesn't call for such things, doesn't allow alcohol, doesn't allow the forcing of people into sex and only allows sex in marriage too.
I suspect people who want to try and shift it on islam is because they don't want to risk being called racist if they generalise against all people of pakistani heritage which some people are doing out there but they are the usual suspects it seems to.
p.s The trojan horse stuff seemed very unfounded and vindictive on saying it was an ismalist take over plot. It sounded like a few pushy parents wanting/expecting certain things and because they were muslim the teachers went round calling it an islamist take over but the reports didn't show evidence of that at all.
Indigenous people commit such crimes too as they do in most other crimes.
If it's not related to Islam can you tell me why Hindus and Sikhs never involved in these incidents?
LOL, what do "pushy parents" have to do with children being taught white women are prostitutes in school? Or inviting people who support terrorists to speak in assemblies? No it's ok, you just bury your head in the sand and ignore the problem, pretend it isn't there, until it's too late and then everybody decent has already left England and left it to degenerate even further as the type of muslim who'll fly across the world to do some beheading increases. That's what's likely to happen if Labour get in especially.
I remember an article on this in a sunday paper years ago. I was appalled then as I am now. There is no excuse. I hope they will hold the relevant people accountable and not just claim that lessons have be learnt.
Years ago, the BBC were going to show a programme about how white women in Bradford(?) were bieng raped by Asian men and it was billed to be shown. The Labour government stopped the airing of that programme at the last moment, as they thought it might influence the upcoming election (where Blair was returned as PM).
Years ago, the BBC were going to show a programme about how white women in Bradford(?) were bieng raped by Asian men and it was billed to be shown. The Labour government stopped the airing of that programme at the last moment, as they thought it might influence the upcoming election (where Blair was returned as PM).
Channel 4 were due to show one too that got pulled in the last minute.
The local newspaper has for tomorrows front page an incredibly grim picture of the town. Rotherham is now tainted and the consequences of what has come out will go way beyond the PCC, council officials and Police.
Yes, its a shame the media didnt take more intrest in the past when parents were trying to get them to print something.
"So, how can we Muslims blame the British public for fearing for their underage girls when Muslim men keep getting arrested and convicted for grooming white girls into sex rings?
As a Muslim living in the UK, I have come to believe that we Muslims are the main source of "Islamophobia" -- by the evil and disturbing acts of some Muslims, and above all by the silence of the majority regarding those acts.
It would appear we have no one to blame but ourselves"
He was head of the local authority's childrens' services from 2005 to 2010.
So, in other words, he is perfectly placed for managing any evidence as he considers necessary.
Arguably, that's not tenable in terms of the public interest.
I don't like elected PCCs either - that is, the political function. The individuals vary. David Jamieson has just been elected the PCC for West Midlands. He's probably a reasonable guy but I was promised a ride in a helicopter with him once and then the offer was suddenly withdrawn. Small stuff - but it adds to my political opinion on their role.
And just to give you an insight into the mindset and the spin generated by the likes of Jamieson and politicians, following his election he said that the people had spoken but made no reference to the fact that only around 10% turned out
I still can't get over the fact people thought upsetting muslims was worse than the above. Why the HELL do muslims get this special treatment?
Muslims aren't getting special treatment. Some officials were apparently reluctant to follow up these abuse allegations in case they were accused of racism because the perpetrators were Asian. That is not giving anyone special treatment, it is simply cowardice.
These aren't even people in power they were covering up like before. It's bizarre, the lefts love of Islam, given how right wing most of them are.
This is a common misunderstanding. The left don't particularly love Islam, however they will generally support the right of Muslims to practise their religion peacefully and to be treated the same as any other follower of a religion.
The Lefty-liberal way of thinking is now so deeply embedded in our social services, police etc that it will be very difficult to eradicate. These people (many of them products/hangovers from the Blair years) either genuinely believe that Asians/Muslims simply cannot be guilty of any crime, or that even if they are they cannot be held to account for 'cultural reasons'. This is very dangerous and has already led to a divided society and enormous resentment in some areas. It needs to stop now, before the lid blows off.
These crimes have invariably been looked at and discussed in isolation as if there were no common ground between events in Bradford and events in Rotherham or Oxford or the many other towns where they have taken place.
The question that arises is whether they are all linked or whether each has arisen spontaneously.
Does it perhaps arise out of the ease with which taxi firms, burger stalls, and slum landlords can conspire together to exploit vulnerable children on the streets? From what I've read these appear to be the frequently common elements in conjunction with the ethnicity of perpetrators and victims. Does word get around from place to place, thus spreading the incidence around the country where similar situations exist, or is it spontaneous? I haven't read the report so I don't know whether that has been touched on.
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Rotherham is very much a "rotten borough". Everything about politics and public services in that town just wreaks of incompetence and corruption.
Even former local MP and jailbird Denis McShane is using the news to plug his new book: http://order-order.com/2014/08/27/macshame-uses-rotherham-scandal-to-plug-new-book/
I don't think I said that, did I? But are you questioning that they are muslims? If so, maybe you need to ask Ethel Fred, she brought it up.
For what it's worth, I would think it's very highly likely that they are.
You keep saying this, but who is actually doing that?
Which I took off topic? ??
I think you need to read back and see the chain of comments and counter comments, then you might actually be in a better position to judge who it was that took us "off topic"
it began here, with this utterly outrageous post,
to which I responded directly to by quoting the above post and saying,
and so far none have so am I to conclude that every single Tory voter in this thread believes that Labour voters want children to be raped as Valer020 claims?
Still "on topic"? good, because that post got the following response.
MY question was addressed to Valer020 and not gocompletelynut, who decided to 'wade in' and ask about Nick Griffin? on trial?
answering a question that wasn't even asked of him/her, by asking a question of their own while ignoring my question to the person I quoted?
I think there is the person you might want to discuss "topic" with, right there.
I replied to his/her question (because I try to respond to questions even though MY question wasn't addressed to him/her) with....
then YOU 'wade in' with,
to which I respond, and I admit I thought at this point it was YOU who introduced Griffin into things,
it's sometimes hard to keep up when lots of people start wading in when you have asked a specific poster a question and everyone and their dog wants to answer for them.
BIB, IS "on topic, yes/no?
and finally we arrive at you accusing ME of going "off topic"
care to point out where I was "twisting things" only from the exchange above it's quite clear that I was doing my best to STAY "on topic" despite others determination to go off,
I have read it through and I honestly can't see where I have either "gone off topic" or "twisted things"
There are people of other faiths in pakistan but their religion is irrelevent. IMO, those who keep on trying to switch it to a muslim thing are just trying to generalise it onto islam so they can bash muslims in general without being called racist.
P.S. Re BIB, I thought so. I wasn't even reposnding to you when I wrote that post!
I'm not denying what the ethnicity of the culprits are but I sure will object to those who try and smear all people of the same ethnic background as being the same!
Is the difference clear enough for you now?!
That is what I am asking you!!! You keep on making this comment, but who is supposedly doing this?
2nd BIB - I am not the one struggling here!
You quoted me.
For a religion that "does not allow alcohol" the Muslim shop keepers sell an awful lot of it... Likewise porn mags.
And if they refuse, purple like you complain they want special treatment and need to integrate. They can't win against prejudiced people.
I think you are being somewhat naive if you believe islam has played no part in this.
Islam, like all the abrahamic religions, promotes a misogynistic attitude towards women, which gives some men very strange ideas of what is permissible in society.
Likewise, the same can be said of the culture of Pakistan and the surrounding areas.
These two things seem to be the main common denominators in these sexual exploitation cases and can't and shouldn't be overlooked.
Of course the problems go far deeper and it would be wrong to lay this whole problem with Muslims or Pakistanis, the care of vulnerable children in our society is quite appalling.
Children from care homes have been receiving this sort of abuse since time immemorial, long before islam or Pakistanis reached our shores.
We can only hope that these new revelations of mass abuse of children can make society and the authorities stand up and say no more.
We need to do whatever it takes to finally start to protect those which are the most vulnerable in our society, if that means stepping on a few toes and upsetting some people, then so be it.
Why would I complain? Remember Muslims don't allow alcohol the next time you are in a Muslim corner shop or fuel garage and are confronted by rows of porn and fridges full of booze. Mammon.
If it's not related to Islam can you tell me why Hindus and Sikhs never involved in these incidents?
LOL, what do "pushy parents" have to do with children being taught white women are prostitutes in school? Or inviting people who support terrorists to speak in assemblies? No it's ok, you just bury your head in the sand and ignore the problem, pretend it isn't there, until it's too late and then everybody decent has already left England and left it to degenerate even further as the type of muslim who'll fly across the world to do some beheading increases. That's what's likely to happen if Labour get in especially.
Years ago, the BBC were going to show a programme about how white women in Bradford(?) were bieng raped by Asian men and it was billed to be shown. The Labour government stopped the airing of that programme at the last moment, as they thought it might influence the upcoming election (where Blair was returned as PM).
Channel 4 were due to show one too that got pulled in the last minute.
Yes, its a shame the media didnt take more intrest in the past when parents were trying to get them to print something.
Seems right but it ain't about to change.
And just to give you an insight into the mindset and the spin generated by the likes of Jamieson and politicians, following his election he said that the people had spoken but made no reference to the fact that only around 10% turned out
This is a common misunderstanding. The left don't particularly love Islam, however they will generally support the right of Muslims to practise their religion peacefully and to be treated the same as any other follower of a religion.
The question that arises is whether they are all linked or whether each has arisen spontaneously.
Does it perhaps arise out of the ease with which taxi firms, burger stalls, and slum landlords can conspire together to exploit vulnerable children on the streets? From what I've read these appear to be the frequently common elements in conjunction with the ethnicity of perpetrators and victims. Does word get around from place to place, thus spreading the incidence around the country where similar situations exist, or is it spontaneous? I haven't read the report so I don't know whether that has been touched on.
They'll all be in the toilet.