Just had a glance at the 2010 results. Its amazing how they ended up with no MPs but got twice as many votes as the SNP who have 6 seats, and over three times as many votes as the greens who have 1 seat.
And you seriously find that "amazing?"
How many UKIP candidates stood in Scotland and how well did they do?
How many SNP candidates stood in England and Wales?
Why do people keep saying that Labour will now certainly win? Ted Millipede has not made the traction he needs too. His personal ratings are horrid. Labours poll lead isn't great. In fact I saw a report the other day that said no opposition has ever won an outright majority with the poll lead Ted has. I think the best Labour and the Tories can hope for is another hung parliament.
Which is precisely why I have said that the very last thing UKIP want, is a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU.
This is not true. Nigel Farage is principled and has said he will disband the party if we vote to leave in a referendum. He has also said he wants Everyone in Brussels including himself fired many times on YouTube. He certainly does want a referendum.
Okay, although I am absolutely sure you are intelligent enough to really understand the how the electoral system works in the UK, I will try to explain:
Of all the constituencies where SNP fielded a candidate and won, they all got more votes than any UKIP candidate that also stood.
How anyone can be "amazed" at that, I have great difficulty in understanding.
This is not true. Nigel Farage is principled and has said he will disband the party if we vote to leave in a referendum. He has also said he wants Everyone in Brussels including himself fired many times on YouTube. He certainly does want a referendum.
First of all Nigel Farage is not principled. I suggest you take a look at his business dealings and tax affairs, as well as his MEP expenses (oops, forgot, you can't look at those, because he hasn't published any accounts, despite his promise to publish them every quarter). Then take a look at his personal life, people with principles and integrity don't lie to their nearest an dearest. They don't go off having affairs, for example.
Secondly, UKIP will cease to exist if they were to secure enough influence to bring about a referendum on Europe. If there was a referendum and the answer was to stay in the EU, their raison d'être would be untenable. If the answer was to leave, their presence in British politics would be pointless; in fact Nigel Farage himself has publically stated that if the UK were to come out of the EU, UKIP would disband.
With the now twenty odd MEPs, all drawing huge salaries and even bigger expense accounts, for doing absolutely beggar all (something that they are oddly very proud off), have no desire whatsoever to give that up.
Finally, their supporters will be floundering around like headless chickens, desperately finding something to set their anger upon.
In which case they need to be better informed on UKIP's policies on union membership, employment rights and the NHS. All the things that are basic to the Labour movement's founding principles.
So, what did Labour do in 13 years to reverse the Tory policies?
Apart from buy Prescott to back legislation to hold back the 'working class' even more?
Farage has played a blinder. You can only imagine the reaction at number 10 over this
The EU was never going away and if Cameron really thought otherwise its another serious lapse in judgement. 2017 is kicking the issue into the long grass we have seen yet again another influx of EU migrants *all perfectly legal because that's what the UK signed into
First of all Nigel Farage is not principled. I suggest you take a look at his business dealings and tax affairs, as well as his MEP expenses (oops, forgot, you can't look at those, because he hasn't published any accounts, despite his promise to publish them every quarter). Then take a look at his personal life, people with principles and integrity don't lie to their nearest an dearest. They don't go off having affairs, for example.
Nigel is seen as someone who says it straight though. He does represent what a core of the British working class think, no matter what detractors say.
Nigel is seen as someone who says it straight though. He does represent what a core of the British working class think, no matter what detractors say.
He doesn't say it straight at all though, does he? Just ask his first two wives.
He is about representative of the British working class as David Cameron, George Osborne and Boris Johnson is. He is an ex-public school boy, former hedge fund manager and a philanderer. He has no interest in the "common working person," you only have to look at his ideas on employment rights, plans for the NHS and union representation to understand that.
Conservative MP Douglas Carswell shocked Westminster on Thursday by announcing he had defected to UKIP and will call a by-election in his Clacton constituency, where he intends to stand as the UKIP candidate.
There’s only one problem: The existing UKIP candidate for Clacton has told BuzzFeed he has “no intention” of stepping down, while prominent local UKIP activists say there is no guarantee that the local association is willing to adopt Carswell as their official candidate.
“As far as I’m concerned I’m carrying on,” said Roger Lord, 57, UKIP’s existing candidate for the seat, who has been left in limbo as a result of this morning’s announcement. “If Mr Carswell wants to join us then he can get in the queue and hand out leaflets with the rest of us. Now that I’ve announced my campaign team, which now includes many members of his campaign team, his vote looks to be sinking quite quickly".
How many UKIP candidates stood in Scotland and how well did they do?
How many SNP candidates stood in England and Wales?
Thats not really the point. The issue is that there are people whose views are not represented in our national parliament whereas parties with much smaller support have seats. Its even more staggering, when you consider that Scotland pretty much runs its own affairs, with their own parliament as well. And when they receive even more powers after the likely 'No' vote, you do have to wonder what is the point of having MPs from Scotland in Westminster. With no representative mandate, they get to vote on issues affecting only the rest if the UK, wheras UKIP with close to 1 million votes have absolutely no say on anything.
The existing UKIP candidate for Clacton has told BuzzFeed he has “no intention” of stepping down, while prominent local UKIP activists say there is no guarantee that the local association is willing to adopt Carswell as their official candidate.
“As far as I’m concerned I’m carrying on,” said Roger Lord, 57, UKIP’s existing candidate for the seat,
Understandable. Farage wouldn't have wanted to tell anyone within the party.. especially not a local candidate.. because it would have leaked and allowed the Tories to get in first with press releases.
As if a local candidate is going to stand in the way of someone who had a 11,000 majority in the last election. Not a chance of that happening however much hot air he's giving out at the moment. He may well be annoyed he's been forced out but that's politics.
Understandable. Farage wouldn't have wanted to tell anyone within the party.. especially not a local candidate.. because it would have leaked and allowed the Tories to get in first with press releases.
As if a local candidate is going to stand in the way of someone who had a 11,000 majority in the last election. Not a chance of that happening however much hot air he's giving out at the moment. He may well be annoyed he's been forced out but that's politics.
So you are happy for UKIP to trample on their key supporters? I suppose they are just keeping up with the elitist approach of the right wing and totally ignoring the rights and feelings of anyone that doesn't fit in with their plans.
Higher than many parliamentary by elections this parliament. And let's be clear they got more than Labour, Tories, LDs and Greens combined in his seat!
I am sure superior leftie metropolitan elitists like you rather look down on the sort of patriotic people who live in Clacton Frinton and the like but it's about as good an area for UKIP as you can get. And Carswell is hugely popular there.
So you are happy for UKIP to trample on their key supporters? I suppose they are just keeping up with the elitist approach of the right wing and totally ignoring the rights and feelings of anyone that doesn't fit in with their plans.
You are a separatist, who passionately believes you will devolve from us.
If so, UKIP and its leanings have nothing to do with you, do they?
You are a separatist, who passionately believes you will devolve from us.
If so, UKIP and its leanings have nothing to do with you, do they?
I've never been called a separatist before:)
I've had cyber nat, tree hugging green and extreme lefty plus a few others, so I'm going to add this to my collection.
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I don't know why you're having a go, I was just commenting on our friend's utterly single-minded obsession.
And you seriously find that "amazing?"
How many UKIP candidates stood in Scotland and how well did they do?
How many SNP candidates stood in England and Wales?
UKIP got more votes in Scotland in the 2010 General Election than the Greens or any of the Socialist splitter parties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_Kingdom_general_election_results_in_Scotland
This is not true. Nigel Farage is principled and has said he will disband the party if we vote to leave in a referendum. He has also said he wants Everyone in Brussels including himself fired many times on YouTube. He certainly does want a referendum.
Okay, although I am absolutely sure you are intelligent enough to really understand the how the electoral system works in the UK, I will try to explain:
Of all the constituencies where SNP fielded a candidate and won, they all got more votes than any UKIP candidate that also stood.
How anyone can be "amazed" at that, I have great difficulty in understanding.
Yip I understand that, and I was just saying that there is a lot of that sort of thing about,
First of all Nigel Farage is not principled. I suggest you take a look at his business dealings and tax affairs, as well as his MEP expenses (oops, forgot, you can't look at those, because he hasn't published any accounts, despite his promise to publish them every quarter). Then take a look at his personal life, people with principles and integrity don't lie to their nearest an dearest. They don't go off having affairs, for example.
Secondly, UKIP will cease to exist if they were to secure enough influence to bring about a referendum on Europe. If there was a referendum and the answer was to stay in the EU, their raison d'être would be untenable. If the answer was to leave, their presence in British politics would be pointless; in fact Nigel Farage himself has publically stated that if the UK were to come out of the EU, UKIP would disband.
With the now twenty odd MEPs, all drawing huge salaries and even bigger expense accounts, for doing absolutely beggar all (something that they are oddly very proud off), have no desire whatsoever to give that up.
Finally, their supporters will be floundering around like headless chickens, desperately finding something to set their anger upon.
Just to clarify, Farage has never been an MP. He wasn't on the 'Tory back benches'.
So, what did Labour do in 13 years to reverse the Tory policies?
Apart from buy Prescott to back legislation to hold back the 'working class' even more?
The EU was never going away and if Cameron really thought otherwise its another serious lapse in judgement. 2017 is kicking the issue into the long grass we have seen yet again another influx of EU migrants *all perfectly legal because that's what the UK signed into
Nigel is seen as someone who says it straight though. He does represent what a core of the British working class think, no matter what detractors say.
I don't understand your point, have you been following the thread?
He doesn't say it straight at all though, does he? Just ask his first two wives.
He is about representative of the British working class as David Cameron, George Osborne and Boris Johnson is. He is an ex-public school boy, former hedge fund manager and a philanderer. He has no interest in the "common working person," you only have to look at his ideas on employment rights, plans for the NHS and union representation to understand that.
UKIP’s Clacton Candidate Says He Won’t Stand Down For Douglas Carswell
Thats not really the point. The issue is that there are people whose views are not represented in our national parliament whereas parties with much smaller support have seats. Its even more staggering, when you consider that Scotland pretty much runs its own affairs, with their own parliament as well. And when they receive even more powers after the likely 'No' vote, you do have to wonder what is the point of having MPs from Scotland in Westminster. With no representative mandate, they get to vote on issues affecting only the rest if the UK, wheras UKIP with close to 1 million votes have absolutely no say on anything.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/ukips-clacton-candidate-says-he-wont-stand-down-for-douglas
As if a local candidate is going to stand in the way of someone who had a 11,000 majority in the last election. Not a chance of that happening however much hot air he's giving out at the moment. He may well be annoyed he's been forced out but that's politics.
Higher than many parliamentary by elections this parliament. And let's be clear they got more than Labour, Tories, LDs and Greens combined in his seat!
I am sure superior leftie metropolitan elitists like you rather look down on the sort of patriotic people who live in Clacton Frinton and the like but it's about as good an area for UKIP as you can get. And Carswell is hugely popular there.
So you may just have to suck it up!
You are a separatist, who passionately believes you will devolve from us.
If so, UKIP and its leanings have nothing to do with you, do they?
This has still to be picked up by BBC and Sky, but this could turn out to be the real story of the day.
I've never been called a separatist before:)
I've had cyber nat, tree hugging green and extreme lefty plus a few others, so I'm going to add this to my collection.