No doubt Van Gaal has made some very dubious calls in his first few games. I will be very interested to see if he can pull them out of this slump.
I predicted they wouldn't get top 4 last season and got laughed at, I predicted in the summer they wouldn't get top 4 and got laughed at. I still think they won't be anywhere near top 4 this year. I really couldn't believe it when pundits were backing them to win the title. They obviously bought into the LVG hype and the preseason hype.
You were laughed at, but that was for your hissy fits, threats to leave and never return and your spamming the forum with your "drink it up" comments. I'm still laughing at it.
its very early to be saying man utd cant make top 4, like lvg has said his teams start slowly(whether thats acceptable or not is another debate), there is plenty of time to right the ship and likes of di maria are only gonna help matters.
3 promoted teams up next, if they get maximum points they could be above some of their top 4 rivals!
after 3 games last year it would have been harsh to say moyes failed and same applies here, now its just a case of lvg proving he can improve the side, something moyes failed to do ultimately.
me personally i think top 4 will go down to wire, liverpool,arsenal,spurs,everton and man utd will be fighting for 2 spots out of the top 4 imo(could be 1st spot never know!) but i think city/chelsea will definetley get top 4. so should be cracking race. if i had to make a prediction i would go with what i said last year, man utd to miss out but like i said long long way to go.
I'd agree there. A lot of these fans will only be used to winning under Sir Alex and last season it was basically blame Moyes for everything. Now LvG is in and he's still not won a game I don't think they quite know who to blame and are lashing out. Some of them were even blaming Moyes for the defeat to MK Dons.
Moyes was completely out of his depth. Many Utd fans were happy to give him a chance however. If he had been at any of the big clubs he'd have been shown the door earlier.
Like I said in an earlier post, the Moyes fan club on here is quite touching.
You were laughed at, but that was for your hissy fits, threats to leave and never return and your spamming the forum with your "drink it up" comments. I'm still laughing at it.
I'm laughing a lot harder than you at the moment ; )
its very early to be saying man utd cant make top 4, like lvg has said his teams start slowly(whether thats acceptable or not is another debate), there is plenty of time to right the ship and likes of di maria are only gonna help matters.
3 promoted teams up next, if they get maximum points they could be above some of their top 4 rivals!
after 3 games last year it would have been harsh to say moyes failed and same applies here, now its just a case of lvg proving he can improve the side, something moyes failed to do ultimately.
me personally i think top 4 will go down to wire, liverpool,arsenal,spurs,everton and man utd will be fighting for 2 spots out of the top 4 imo(could be 1st spot never know!) but i think city/chelsea will definetley get top 4. so should be cracking race. if i had to make a prediction i would go with what i said last year, man utd to miss out but like i said long long way to go.
Good post.
It's far too early to be making any realistic predictions (other than City & Chelsea finishing in the top four, at least), but this is a pretty decent summation, I think.
It's far too early to be making any realistic predictions (other than City & Chelsea finishing in the top four, at least), but this is a pretty decent summation, I think.
thank you
should also add deadline day has not even passed yet. 1 or 2 additions could change the landscape big time, especially if one of them is vidal.(if he stays fit)
the midfield even with herrera looks poor compared to rivals,but vidal is damn good, will drive you forwards but also be a ball winner and goal scorer. he is a game changer imo and possibly a season changer!
is that the MArtin Keown that is a very experenced manger who has sent many years working at some of the top clubs in football and mangered teams to many cups or is that the Martin Keown thats known for sitting on his backside talking rubbish?
Yeah, I mean what does Martin Keown know about defending?!
When you pick a team worth tens of millions of pounds and it gets beat 4-0 off a team worth £250k which was a 500/1 shot and you say you're not shocked I think you might be telling porkies.
If you genuinely think that there's no truth in that, then you must either not think that players can be affected mentally, or you just want to keep on going on about how 'terrible' United are, repeatedly. If it's the latter, then I can't possibly think why that might be.
Oh, wait. Yes I can.
The evidence is quite clear, if you take the trouble to actually watch them play. And no, I'm not and wasn't talking specifically about that one game.
A lack of confidence from Moyes tenure is a ridiculous excuse. He was sacked in April. You've got international players worth tens of millions who seem to be playing in a system they aren't very familiar with and getting beaten badly by a league 1 team. The defence is really poor and LvG keeps chasing midfielders.
Yeah, I mean what does Martin Keown know about defending?!
When you pick a team worth tens of millions of pounds and it gets beat 4-0 off a team worth £250k which was a 500/1 shot and you say you're not shocked I think you might be telling porkies.
A lack of confidence from Moyes tenure is a ridiculous excuse. He was sacked in April. You've got international players worth tens of millions who seem to be playing in a system they aren't very familiar with and getting beaten badly by a league 1 team. The defence is really poor and LvG keeps chasing midfielders.
Your abilty as a player has nothing to do with having the abilty to come up with tactics etc. He was no more then a foot soldier. You told him to do this and he did it. He has not shown any evidance of having a understanding of how to set out a football team or an a abilty to judge what a player can or cannot do (more so when he has not seen them in training or had any one to one time with the player).
Was I shocked that Utd lost? Not at all, We have seen big teams go out to smaller teams before and we will see it happen again.
Considering he has bought a defender and we have no idea who Utd are or are not after (unless of course you do know him since you know when he is lying) I dont see how you can say he is "only chasing midfielders"
Nobody is claiming that we don't have other issues, but dismissing the effect of Moyes' tenure completely is incredibly basic.
Still, you keep beating your drum. It's really original and interesting.
Since Moyes was sacked:
Man Utd 4 Norwich 0
Man Utd 0 Sunderland 1
Man Utd 3 Hull 1
Southampton 1 Man Utd 1
Man Utd 1 Swansea 2
Sunderland 1 Man Utd 1
MK Dons 4 Man Utd 0
How long are you going to blame Moyes? It's as poor an excuse as blaming injuries when you can afford to sub off Kagawa for Januzaj whilst your opposition play guys not good enough for Brentford.
Man Utd 4 Norwich 0
Man Utd 0 Sunderland 1
Man Utd 3 Hull 1
Southampton 1 Man Utd 1
Man Utd 1 Swansea 2
Sunderland 1 Man Utd 1
MK Dons 4 Man Utd 0
How long are you going to blame Moyes? It's as poor an excuse as blaming injuries when you can afford to sub off Kagawa for Januzaj whilst your opposition play guys not good enough for Brentford.
Seven games, of which Van Gaal has been in charge for three.
Yeah, they should have completely forgotten all about their woeful showing last season, and have completely adapted to Van Gaal's system by now.
Man Utd 4 Norwich 0
Man Utd 0 Sunderland 1
Man Utd 3 Hull 1
Southampton 1 Man Utd 1
Man Utd 1 Swansea 2
Sunderland 1 Man Utd 1
MK Dons 4 Man Utd 0
How long are you going to blame Moyes? It's as poor an excuse as blaming injuries when you can afford to sub off Kagawa for Januzaj whilst your opposition play guys not good enough for Brentford.
You clearly lack a basic comprehension of morale and psychology.
But you know, they are paid tens of thousands a week, and were bought for £X million pounds, so they should be cyborg football players who are immune to basic human controlling factors eh.
You clearly lack a basic comprehension of morale and psychology.
But you know, they are paid tens of thousands a week, and were bought for £X million pounds, so they should be cyborg football players who are immune to basic human controlling factors eh.
You are either very naïve, or just on a wind up.
Football mangement is simple
its 4-eving 4-eving eving 2 formation. If you earn more then a dustman your not allowed to have a bad game and you shout alot and swear and wave your arms about and say "Lad" and "works hard" and "we put in the hard work" alot
The vast majority of clubs have bad patches and if you are lucky enough to play them in the middle of the bad patch it can make the world of difference.
You clearly lack a basic comprehension of morale and psychology.
But you know, they are paid tens of thousands a week, and were bought for £X million pounds, so they should be cyborg football players who are immune to basic human controlling factors eh.
You are either very naïve, or just on a wind up.
Blaming Moyes for the defeats is absurd as crediting him with beating Norwich 4-0 in the game after he was sacked. If you want to blame someone blame the LvG system which is obviously not working considering Swansea, Sunderland and MK Dons have all played better than you. It's more lack of confidence in that system rather than lack of confidence because a manager that was sacked moons ago.
Blaming Moyes for the defeats is absurd as crediting him with beating Norwich 4-0 in the game after he was sacked. If you want to blame someone blame the LvG system which is obviously not working considering Swansea, Sunderland and MK Dons have all played better than you. It's more lack of confidence in that system rather than lack of confidence because a manager that was sacked moons ago.
You're so pathetically transparent, it's hilarious.
Blaming Moyes for the defeats is absurd as crediting him with beating Norwich 4-0 in the game after he was sacked. If you want to blame someone blame the LvG system which is obviously not working considering Swansea, Sunderland and MK Dons have all played better than you. It's more lack of confidence in that system rather than lack of confidence because a manager that was sacked moons ago.
This thread was dormant for a couple of hours, and then guess what you come along to bump it again, as Eye Itch says, you are so see-through and transparent.
This thread was dormant for a couple of hours, and then guess what you come along to bump it again, as Eye Itch says, you are so see-through and transparent.
Not even 2 hours, it's hardly like bumping a thread from 10 years ago. This thread will be revisited after every Man Utd defeat and LvG tactics backfire no doubt.
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Absolutely! I'll stand corrected for sure.
And yet funnily enough what happened the following season, with those championship winning players.
And not all of the problem was down to Moyes.
There were several reasons for what happened last season, none of which rendered the previous season's title 'lucky', or 'fortunate'.
You were laughed at, but that was for your hissy fits, threats to leave and never return and your spamming the forum with your "drink it up" comments. I'm still laughing at it.
3 promoted teams up next, if they get maximum points they could be above some of their top 4 rivals!
after 3 games last year it would have been harsh to say moyes failed and same applies here, now its just a case of lvg proving he can improve the side, something moyes failed to do ultimately.
me personally i think top 4 will go down to wire, liverpool,arsenal,spurs,everton and man utd will be fighting for 2 spots out of the top 4 imo(could be 1st spot never know!) but i think city/chelsea will definetley get top 4. so should be cracking race. if i had to make a prediction i would go with what i said last year, man utd to miss out but like i said long long way to go.
Moyes was completely out of his depth. Many Utd fans were happy to give him a chance however. If he had been at any of the big clubs he'd have been shown the door earlier.
Like I said in an earlier post, the Moyes fan club on here is quite touching.
I'm laughing a lot harder than you at the moment ; )
Good post.
It's far too early to be making any realistic predictions (other than City & Chelsea finishing in the top four, at least), but this is a pretty decent summation, I think.
thank you
should also add deadline day has not even passed yet. 1 or 2 additions could change the landscape big time, especially if one of them is vidal.(if he stays fit)
the midfield even with herrera looks poor compared to rivals,but vidal is damn good, will drive you forwards but also be a ball winner and goal scorer. he is a game changer imo and possibly a season changer!
Yeah, I mean what does Martin Keown know about defending?!
When you pick a team worth tens of millions of pounds and it gets beat 4-0 off a team worth £250k which was a 500/1 shot and you say you're not shocked I think you might be telling porkies.
A lack of confidence from Moyes tenure is a ridiculous excuse. He was sacked in April. You've got international players worth tens of millions who seem to be playing in a system they aren't very familiar with and getting beaten badly by a league 1 team. The defence is really poor and LvG keeps chasing midfielders.
It really isn't.
Nobody is claiming that we don't have other issues, but dismissing the effect of Moyes' tenure completely is incredibly basic.
Still, you keep beating your drum. It's really original and interesting.
Your abilty as a player has nothing to do with having the abilty to come up with tactics etc. He was no more then a foot soldier. You told him to do this and he did it. He has not shown any evidance of having a understanding of how to set out a football team or an a abilty to judge what a player can or cannot do (more so when he has not seen them in training or had any one to one time with the player).
Was I shocked that Utd lost? Not at all, We have seen big teams go out to smaller teams before and we will see it happen again.
Considering he has bought a defender and we have no idea who Utd are or are not after (unless of course you do know him since you know when he is lying) I dont see how you can say he is "only chasing midfielders"
Since Moyes was sacked:
Man Utd 4 Norwich 0
Man Utd 0 Sunderland 1
Man Utd 3 Hull 1
Southampton 1 Man Utd 1
Man Utd 1 Swansea 2
Sunderland 1 Man Utd 1
MK Dons 4 Man Utd 0
How long are you going to blame Moyes? It's as poor an excuse as blaming injuries when you can afford to sub off Kagawa for Januzaj whilst your opposition play guys not good enough for Brentford.
Seven games, of which Van Gaal has been in charge for three.
Yeah, they should have completely forgotten all about their woeful showing last season, and have completely adapted to Van Gaal's system by now.
The fools.
But it does help a bit
You clearly lack a basic comprehension of morale and psychology.
But you know, they are paid tens of thousands a week, and were bought for £X million pounds, so they should be cyborg football players who are immune to basic human controlling factors eh.
You are either very naïve, or just on a wind up.
Football mangement is simple
its 4-eving 4-eving eving 2 formation. If you earn more then a dustman your not allowed to have a bad game and you shout alot and swear and wave your arms about and say "Lad" and "works hard" and "we put in the hard work" alot
Never enough to be a deciding factor though.
The vast majority of clubs have bad patches and if you are lucky enough to play them in the middle of the bad patch it can make the world of difference.
Blaming Moyes for the defeats is absurd as crediting him with beating Norwich 4-0 in the game after he was sacked. If you want to blame someone blame the LvG system which is obviously not working considering Swansea, Sunderland and MK Dons have all played better than you. It's more lack of confidence in that system rather than lack of confidence because a manager that was sacked moons ago.
You're so pathetically transparent, it's hilarious.
This thread was dormant for a couple of hours, and then guess what you come along to bump it again, as Eye Itch says, you are so see-through and transparent.
Not even 2 hours, it's hardly like bumping a thread from 10 years ago. This thread will be revisited after every Man Utd defeat and LvG tactics backfire no doubt.