A firm NO, landed back in Edinburgh tonight to find my better half visibly upset because some cancerous retard verbally abused her for being English, so a big thank you to the Yes campaign for making a woman feel like shit in a country she has lived for over ten years.
I hope the retard dies screaming in agony, fear, nastiness and intimidation are the mainstays of the YES campaign. anyway matter in hands of police as I will not see anyone racially abused be it my better half or anyone else.
I will hurt anyone who tries to abuse her in my presence.
A No from me after a similar experience. My sister in law was told to f*ck off home by a YES campaigner WHO CAME TO HER DOOR. Shes Canadian by birth and said she was voting NO.
I refuse to vote for a side thats actively encouraging racism. That and their inability to answer a question without using the word scaremongering.
That's not good though i imagine feelings are running pretty high at the moment, even between fellow Scots. A 'No' Scot went into battle on the street with a 'Yes' Scot on Channel 4 News the other night. Only verbal but extremely angry verbal!!
Tell her to rise above that level 'Sweaty' and i'm pretty certain you will have Scottish friends/neighbours who will be disgusted by that kind of nonsense. >:(
Sadly she no longer feels safe so her going to her parents is for the best, We have a neighbour who supports independence and will not speak to us again if its NO but saying that we another who also supports independence who is mortified and disgusted at what happened earlier today.
It's fair to point out that this campaign has nasty individuals on both sides and it's brought out the worst in certain folk. A lot of anti English feeling is being generated by some misguided individuals.
A firm NO, landed back in Edinburgh tonight to find my better half visibly upset because some cancerous retard verbally abused her for being English, so a big thank you to the Yes campaign for making a woman feel like shit in a country she has lived for over ten years.
I hope the retard dies screaming in agony, fear, nastiness and intimidation are the mainstays of the YES campaign. anyway matter in hands of police as I will not see anyone racially abused be it my better half or anyone else.
I will hurt anyone who tries to abuse her in my presence.
Disgusting. I fear it's the thin end of the wedge if there's a 'Yes' result though.
A No from me after a similar experience. My sister in law was told to f*ck off home by a YES campaigner WHO CAME TO HER DOOR. Shes Canadian by birth and said she was voting NO.
I refuse to vote for a side thats actively encouraging racism. That and their inability to answer a question without using the word scaremongering.
why form a political opinion based on some thugs?
An englishman told me he was going to smash my head in once for being a Paddy. There are thugs in all sides of the story.
Sadly she no longer feels safe so her going to her parents is for the best, We have a neighbour who supports independence and will not speak to us again if its NO but saying that we another who also supports independence who is mortified and disgusted at what happened earlier today.
It's fair to point out that this campaign has nasty individuals on both sides and it's brought out the worst in certain folk. A lot of anti English feeling is being generated by some misguided individuals.
Sorry to hear it 'Sweaty'.
I've often been touring in Scotland and a few years ago, overnighted at a couples place near Aviemore who had turned their back garden into an area for two or three motorhomes or caravans.
Him and his wife were both from Yorkshire but had moved to Aviemore to retire. I asked about any anti-English feelings and he told me the first thing his neighbours wanted to know was if they were planning to live there, or if it was to be a holiday home. As soon as they told people 'no we are moving to live here', that was good enough.....they were instantly accepted.
He then pointed to the house next to theirs. "See that house...it's owned by a wealthy Scottish guy who bought it for a holiday home.....nobody in the village speaks to him!"
Just voted 'NO' but then remembered I don't live in Scotland. I suspect most other 'NO' voter's on this poll don't either. Sorry but this poll means nothing.
The same could be said of the YES voters, for all I know.
In all honesty, I don't think that a DS poll (or any other poll where the sampled population is self-selecting) ever "means" anything.
A No from me after a similar experience. My sister in law was told to f*ck off home by a YES campaigner WHO CAME TO HER DOOR. Shes Canadian by birth and said she was voting NO.
I refuse to vote for a side thats actively encouraging racism. That and their inability to answer a question without using the word scaremongering.
This is the problem, for me, with the 'Yes campaign' - they are, on the whole, far too aggressive in my opinion. Not everyone obviously but many of the people who are out on the streets actively campaigning for it are doing a grand job at putting people off.
I was in Glasgow the other day walking by a 'Yes' stand when one them shoved a leaflet in my face. I politely said "No thanks" and was told "Oh well f***ing suit yourself then". After explaining to him that I only declined, not because my mind was set but becauseI had already been given that particular by someone already, was just very dismissive and said "Aye, right then mate, whatever, suit yourself" before quickly moving on to someone else. And I've heard more and more stories from people who have had similar experiences.
Also, I 've deleted a good few people from Facebook over this who are content with posting ignorant anti-English rants such as "All the Orange bastards who are voting No should f***off down south and leave us true Scots alone."
This mentality just sums up what's wrong with this country.
I am and always will be Scottish (and incidentally, not even an "Orange bastard") and have always been immensely proud of that; I am one of the most patriotic people you could meet - and even if I vote 'No' on Thursday, I will still continue to be so.
Now, I'm not saying that silly incidents like these are what's making me edge towards a 'No' vote but I daresay it would with some people.
And neither am I saying that similar dirty tactics aren't used by some Better Together campaigners but, personally, I've come across more aggression and disgusting sectarianism from those in the 'Yes' camp.
I understand that some people are extremely passionate about this and know way more than the likes of I do but there is a way to debate properly and preach, if you like, in an appropriate manner so as not to offend anyone. I just find it very sad that some people are allowing our wonderful little country to be torn apart like this and I really fear for what it's going to be like come Thursday when, inevitably, about half of the country aren't going to be happy whichever way the vote swings.
why form a political opinion based on some thugs?
An englishman told me he was going to smash my head in once for being a Paddy. There are thugs in all sides of the story.
Why form a political opinion? Maybe because they came to her door canvassing that side's position? They were YES representatives. And when she phoned the YES office no apology but a lot of waffle on feelings running high, every vote counting so people are emotional.
A firm NO, landed back in Edinburgh tonight to find my better half visibly upset because some cancerous retard verbally abused her for being English, so a big thank you to the Yes campaign for making a woman feel like shit in a country she has lived for over ten years.
I hope the retard dies screaming in agony, fear, nastiness and intimidation are the mainstays of the YES campaign. anyway matter in hands of police as I will not see anyone racially abused be it my better half or anyone else.
I will hurt anyone who tries to abuse her in my presence.
The punishment you recommend far outweighs the crime.
It's a small sample but the results so far seem to reflect what the professional pollsters are reporting that it's a very tight race and perhaps too close to call. The real poll takes place on Thursday and will be one of the most participated democratic processes ever in the UK.
This is the problem, for me, with the 'Yes campaign' - they are, on the whole, far too aggressive in my opinion. Not everyone obviously but many of the people who are out on the streets actively campaigning for it are doing a grand job at putting people off.
I was in Glasgow the other day walking by a 'Yes' stand when one them shoved a leaflet in my face. I politely said "No thanks" and was told "Oh well f***ing suit yourself then". After explaining to him that I only declined, not because my mind was set but becauseI had already been given that particular by someone already, was just very dismissive and said "Aye, right then mate, whatever, suit yourself" before quickly moving on to someone else. And I've heard more and more stories from people who have had similar experiences.
Also, I 've deleted a good few people from Facebook over this who are content with posting ignorant anti-English rants such as "All the Orange bastards who are voting No should f***off down south and leave us true Scots alone."
This mentality just sums up what's wrong with this country.
I am and always will be Scottish (and incidentally, not even an "Orange bastard") and have always been immensely proud of that; I am one of the most patriotic people you could meet - and even if I vote 'No' on Thursday, I will still continue to be so.
Now, I'm not saying that silly incidents like these are what's making me edge towards a 'No' vote but I daresay it would with some people.
And neither am I saying that similar dirty tactics aren't used by some Better Together campaigners but, personally, I've come across more aggression and disgusting sectarianism from those in the 'Yes' camp.
I understand that some people are extremely passionate about this and know way more than the likes of I do but there is a way to debate properly and preach, if you like, in an appropriate manner so as not to offend anyone. I just find it very sad that some people are allowing our wonderful little country to be torn apart like this and I really fear for what it's going to be like come Thursday when, inevitably, about half of the country aren't going to be happy whichever way the vote swings.
I think this is a large problem for the Yes campaign - respect to undecideds. I can only speak it how I see it and though I am very sure there is nastiness amongst the No contingent, I personally have only experienced it or seen it from the No sector.
As well as seeing No leafletters [sic] abused in the street and some rather racy heckling, I've been called an idiot, a c*nt, a Tory, a Tory c*nt, a traitor etc etc simply for saying that in all likelihood I was going to vote no. Upon hearing some of these epithets I pointed out that it was an unusual recruiting strategy and seemed unlikely to swing me over to the cause. Oddly, this did not improve matters
Yeah you need to learn your geography a bit better before being allowed out to vote!
Sorry, I was a bit tipsy (ok, pissed) and thought I would be an ass. However, unless the poll is restricted to Scottish residents only then it's still rather pointless.
It would have been interesting to see which way it would go, but you are never going to get a true poll of Scottish voters on this forum.
Indeed! Anyone can vote in it and I tend to find quite a few people are 'contrary' on internet polls -- i.e. voting for the least popular option (or the one they view as least popular) just because they think it's funny.
A few months ago I would have said yes but now it’s no. I have been sickened by the intolerance, intimidation, arrogance and racism being spouted by the yes campaign and I dread to think of what will happen if they win – it’s been made pretty clear that Salmond’s “fairer society” only applies to people who agree with him.
Yesterday I met someone who has been a staunch SNP supporter all his life and I was expecting a lecture on how I should vote for freedom etc. Then I noticed he wasn’t wearing any SNP badges (normally he’s covered in them) when I asked why he said that he had become disillusioned with what was happening. He wanted nothing to do with the threats and abuse that has become more common. I asked if he would be voting yes and he just shrugged his shoulders.
I think this is a large problem for the Yes campaign - respect to undecideds. I can only speak it how I see it and though I am very sure there is nastiness amongst the No contingent, I personally have only experienced it or seen it from the No sector.
As well as seeing No leafletters [sic] abused in the street and some rather racy heckling, I've been called an idiot, a c*nt, a Tory, a Tory c*nt, a traitor etc etc simply for saying that in all likelihood I was going to vote no. Upon hearing some of these epithets I pointed out that it was an unusual recruiting strategy and seemed unlikely to swing me over to the cause. Oddly, this did not improve matters
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A No from me after a similar experience. My sister in law was told to f*ck off home by a YES campaigner WHO CAME TO HER DOOR. Shes Canadian by birth and said she was voting NO.
I refuse to vote for a side thats actively encouraging racism. That and their inability to answer a question without using the word scaremongering.
Sadly she no longer feels safe so her going to her parents is for the best, We have a neighbour who supports independence and will not speak to us again if its NO but saying that we another who also supports independence who is mortified and disgusted at what happened earlier today.
It's fair to point out that this campaign has nasty individuals on both sides and it's brought out the worst in certain folk. A lot of anti English feeling is being generated by some misguided individuals.
Disgusting. I fear it's the thin end of the wedge if there's a 'Yes' result though.
why form a political opinion based on some thugs?
An englishman told me he was going to smash my head in once for being a Paddy. There are thugs in all sides of the story.
It's not strange, she is my equal and in most things my better half.
Not really, my dad says that about my mum. Although he also calls her his "little piranha-fish" so maybe not the best example.
Not really. I use it. I don't mean it of course
*deregs*
I've often been touring in Scotland and a few years ago, overnighted at a couples place near Aviemore who had turned their back garden into an area for two or three motorhomes or caravans.
Him and his wife were both from Yorkshire but had moved to Aviemore to retire. I asked about any anti-English feelings and he told me the first thing his neighbours wanted to know was if they were planning to live there, or if it was to be a holiday home. As soon as they told people 'no we are moving to live here', that was good enough.....they were instantly accepted.
He then pointed to the house next to theirs. "See that house...it's owned by a wealthy Scottish guy who bought it for a holiday home.....nobody in the village speaks to him!"
The same could be said of the YES voters, for all I know.
In all honesty, I don't think that a DS poll (or any other poll where the sampled population is self-selecting) ever "means" anything.
I was in Glasgow the other day walking by a 'Yes' stand when one them shoved a leaflet in my face. I politely said "No thanks" and was told "Oh well f***ing suit yourself then". After explaining to him that I only declined, not because my mind was set but becauseI had already been given that particular by someone already, was just very dismissive and said "Aye, right then mate, whatever, suit yourself" before quickly moving on to someone else. And I've heard more and more stories from people who have had similar experiences.
Also, I 've deleted a good few people from Facebook over this who are content with posting ignorant anti-English rants such as "All the Orange bastards who are voting No should f***off down south and leave us true Scots alone."
This mentality just sums up what's wrong with this country.
I am and always will be Scottish (and incidentally, not even an "Orange bastard") and have always been immensely proud of that; I am one of the most patriotic people you could meet - and even if I vote 'No' on Thursday, I will still continue to be so.
Now, I'm not saying that silly incidents like these are what's making me edge towards a 'No' vote but I daresay it would with some people.
And neither am I saying that similar dirty tactics aren't used by some Better Together campaigners but, personally, I've come across more aggression and disgusting sectarianism from those in the 'Yes' camp.
I understand that some people are extremely passionate about this and know way more than the likes of I do but there is a way to debate properly and preach, if you like, in an appropriate manner so as not to offend anyone. I just find it very sad that some people are allowing our wonderful little country to be torn apart like this and I really fear for what it's going to be like come Thursday when, inevitably, about half of the country aren't going to be happy whichever way the vote swings.
Why form a political opinion? Maybe because they came to her door canvassing that side's position? They were YES representatives. And when she phoned the YES office no apology but a lot of waffle on feelings running high, every vote counting so people are emotional.
The punishment you recommend far outweighs the crime.
I think this is a large problem for the Yes campaign - respect to undecideds. I can only speak it how I see it and though I am very sure there is nastiness amongst the No contingent, I personally have only experienced it or seen it from the No sector.
As well as seeing No leafletters [sic] abused in the street and some rather racy heckling, I've been called an idiot, a c*nt, a Tory, a Tory c*nt, a traitor etc etc simply for saying that in all likelihood I was going to vote no. Upon hearing some of these epithets I pointed out that it was an unusual recruiting strategy and seemed unlikely to swing me over to the cause. Oddly, this did not improve matters
lol....now that's a quality reply
Sorry, I was a bit tipsy (ok, pissed) and thought I would be an ass. However, unless the poll is restricted to Scottish residents only then it's still rather pointless.
Indeed! Anyone can vote in it and I tend to find quite a few people are 'contrary' on internet polls -- i.e. voting for the least popular option (or the one they view as least popular) just because they think it's funny.
Yesterday I met someone who has been a staunch SNP supporter all his life and I was expecting a lecture on how I should vote for freedom etc. Then I noticed he wasn’t wearing any SNP badges (normally he’s covered in them) when I asked why he said that he had become disillusioned with what was happening. He wanted nothing to do with the threats and abuse that has become more common. I asked if he would be voting yes and he just shrugged his shoulders.
Oh shit have I missed the vote I thought it was this thursday
this probably happens to you all the time no?