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An Open Message to Scotland
Lil_M
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I thought we should create another thread where DS Users can post their open message to the people of Scotland given there is still a few days left from the Crucial Vote on independence.
I will start off:
I do think the coverage of Scottish independence is not impartial and disturbing to say the least. I do feel there is a lot of Anti-Scottish prejudice. To sum up:
- Scotland will not be bankrupt if it voted yes.
- Scotland will do well or be better off as an independent nation
- Scotland will be able to remain in the EU
- Scotland could use the Pound if it chooses to. If we, in, England refused it could have a negative impact on us.
- Big Business will not leave Scotland if it voted yes.
- Scottish politics, Scottish decisions in Scottish hands.
- Nope, it isn't Anti England this and Anti-England that is a deciding factor, it is insulting. There is life beyond England. The Scottish are well informed and educated.
However, if I was a Scottish citizen, I would vote No to independence, are you really prepared to throw away a 300 year union. We share the same culture, society norms, laws, problems etc...
I will start off:
I do think the coverage of Scottish independence is not impartial and disturbing to say the least. I do feel there is a lot of Anti-Scottish prejudice. To sum up:
- Scotland will not be bankrupt if it voted yes.
- Scotland will do well or be better off as an independent nation
- Scotland will be able to remain in the EU
- Scotland could use the Pound if it chooses to. If we, in, England refused it could have a negative impact on us.
- Big Business will not leave Scotland if it voted yes.
- Scottish politics, Scottish decisions in Scottish hands.
- Nope, it isn't Anti England this and Anti-England that is a deciding factor, it is insulting. There is life beyond England. The Scottish are well informed and educated.
However, if I was a Scottish citizen, I would vote No to independence, are you really prepared to throw away a 300 year union. We share the same culture, society norms, laws, problems etc...
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I take it that is those in England as the ex-pats in the rest of the World need one now and don't appear too perturbed.
With great respect to you, unless any Scots live under a stone for the last 6 months all these points have been stated and restated, parsed and analysed to the enth degree, in the press, on TV , on FB and most social media. Ultimately people will vote what they vote . No one has much confidence in the veracity of either side of the debate as it is after all being run by politicians:D
yes sorry, i thought it was obvious given the thread topic.
I suspect many voters are saying YES now to appease the more aggressive YES Gestapo , but on the day will revert back to being a NO voter.
History doesn't cease to have happened, just because something different happens later.
I sincerely hope so. Despite all the commentators saying. This has been wonderful opening up discussion all over Scotland etc, I think it has been divisive and bitter and ramped up mainly from the Yes campaigners whipping up bad feeling where they would have been better served discussing the merits of independence rather than telling half the country they are pro English, not team Scotland players etc. o
I cannot wait for it to be over as I'm fair scunnered with it.
Could not have said it better myself. This is no an anti English campaign. This is my view and Im sticking to it, I have been both sides of the line and recently found more reasons to say Yes than No. Some people are the other way, but the venom on here towards us has been quite vile. This post is a breath of fresh air
Thank you
Edit: We will always hold the same culture and views generally and respect both our heritages
Can I ask you an honest question, although you don't have to answer
How has independence in Norway worked for you?
The ex pats seem to be perturbed at a lot of things happening just now, makes me wonder why they left
Your Welcome. touche (edit). I could totally understand why anyone would vote yes, there are pretty reasonable sensible logical arguments. Yes, Scotland could be better off without the union.
I do think it is a shame should Scotland leave.
Can't say 100% either way, as no one know.
- Scotland will do well or be better off as an independent nation
Again, something you can not guarantee, the only thing that is guaranteed is that as an Independent Nation, Scotland's running costs will increase, they always do when you start paying for something by yourself rather than sharing costs.
- Scotland will be able to remain in the EU
No it won't. Scotland WILL be out of the EU at first. How long it is before they become an EU member depends on how long it takes them to meet the requirements of doing so.
- Scotland could use the Pound if it chooses to. If we, in, England refused it could have a negative impact on us.
Scotland can use a Pound, there is nothing stopping them. But they certainly won't be getting a Credit Union.
- Big Business will not leave Scotland if it voted yes.
So the businesses are lying? Businesses will look after their interests first, and if there is the slightest danger of them losing money they will leave Scotland.
When you are running a company worth a lot of money you need guarantees that your money is safe.
This does not mean that they will not still do business in Scotland, it just means the most important bits of the company would be in England where they would be safe from any potential downfall of the Scottish Economy.
- Scottish politics, Scottish decisions in Scottish hands.
Until they join the EU, then it stops being in Scotlands hands once again...
Also, considering many Scots want decisions to be in Scottish hands, why do they want a Credit Union with the UK? This would take many decisions away from them
They really cannot come up with anything better than that, that's really not good enough to casually throw away 300 years of Union.
Thanks. Seriously, I was watching Sky News yesterday discussing about a possibility of the Great Depression in Scotland, should it choose independence.
I was like whaaaaaaa
People need to take a step back and consider the facts.
Even if we consider the worst case scenario that the likes of RBS will shut up shop in Scotland, no branches, no accounts no presence of any nature in Scotland, would it hurt RBS more or Scotland more? The truth, is RBS needs Scotland more than Scotland needs RBS. There are plenty of competitors to take up RBS position.
Even RBS isn't going to shut up shop in Scotland. It will change it's registered address and? For all the RBS talk, it won't affect them that much.
When it comes to price of food etc.. I honestly do think Scotland may see higher prices given the economies of scale and lack of a population. That is not to say, that it will not be a great successful economy.
Could not have put this better myself
Everybodys freaking about the thought of "losing" RBS. All that is is moving the plaque from one address to another, I would very much doubt anyone will even notice. They did it with our company and it was a change of address, different head office, nothing more
You don't need one to go to Ireland. So you won't with Scotland.
RBS are only moving their headquarters down to London so that they have a Central Bank. They aren't shutting any Scottish branches. If it all goes tits-up for the banks that move down South, it will be at the expense of the rUK taxpayer, not the Scots.
I just want us all to get along as equals.......
So I don't like nationalism ........
I want the population of the world to unite not keep sub-dividing into smaller and smaller groups that the rulers control by fostering hatred of their neighbours and anyone 'foreign' and indoctrinating us into thinking that only they can save us from those bastards over the river........so we'd better do as we're told
People of the world unite !
Say NO to petty nationalism !
The important operations crucial to the Financial stability of the company will move out of Scotland into England, so that the safety of the company is preserved. Of course these companies will still operate a presence in Scotland, but it will only be a skeleton outfit with just enough to allow smooth operation.
That is because Ireland is a member of the EU, Scotland will not be at first, they will only become an EU member if they meet the Criteria required and their application isn't blocked.
The other right wing bugbear is the Labour vote is shored up by Scotland. Independence would put paid to this, yet David Cameron and many right wingers are trying to scare the Scots into voting no.
This isn't about the union as we will still have a union with Wales, it's about all the resources Scotland brings to the table. All the resources we want to deny mean anything to us.
A lot more will leave if they get independence. All those with ambition, a good education, intelligencia, talent, etc will come to London, as they already do and as so many Irish do.
No it isn't. Its because Ireland is in a common travel area with the UK which predates EU entry. Irish and UK citizens are considered equals in each others countries. The same thing can be arranged with.Scotland whether in the EU or not.