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Could we end up with passport control checkpoints with guards along the border if SNP win yes vote?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-independence-ed-miliband-raises-prospect-of-guards-along-the-border-if-scotland-votes-yes-9716639.html
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    radio4extracrapradio4extracrap Posts: 2,933
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    Net Nut wrote: »
    Could we end up with passport control checkpoints with guards along the border if SNP win yes vote?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-independence-ed-miliband-raises-prospect-of-guards-along-the-border-if-scotland-votes-yes-9716639.html

    Well stronger border controls are being promised.
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    PompeyBillPompeyBill Posts: 7,409
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    In other news, I believe that Dr Crippen has been caught!
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    smudges dadsmudges dad Posts: 36,989
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    FFS It's not the SNP

    How many times do you have to be told?
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    PompeyBillPompeyBill Posts: 7,409
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    smudges dad wrote: »
    FFS It's not the SNP

    How many times do you have to be told?

    Net Nut doesn't really do facts, as we found out last night.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 8,916
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    PompeyBill wrote: »
    Net Nut doesn't really do facts, as we found out last night.

    Same as Nat Nut then.
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    Angels_babyAngels_baby Posts: 1,471
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    Another pointless thread
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    Gary_LandyFanGary_LandyFan Posts: 3,824
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    smudges dad wrote: »
    FFS It's not the SNP

    How many times do you have to be told?

    I do laugh when you Scots say this...
    So it isn't the SNP vision that is sold in the White Paper?
    The SNP aren't the party that will be in power and doing the negotiation?

    It doesn't matter whether the person voting for Independence votes for the SNP, this is THEIR vision of Independence no matter how much you claim otherwise...
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    deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    It will be like Berlin in 1961. Scots will wake up to drilling and barbed wire being placed on the border by British troops. :D
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    barky99barky99 Posts: 3,921
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    radio4extracrap wrote: »
    Well stronger border controls are being promised.
    there will still be open borders just like between most countries in Europe - in our case by an agreement independent of EU & ALL Scots will be able to hold a UK passport for themselves + 1 generation
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    jclock66jclock66 Posts: 2,411
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    Let's hope so.
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    television2004television2004 Posts: 2,317
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    Cameron and his speech yesterday said you would need passports to go to Scotland or vice versa. Border checkpoints at Gretna. You need a passport to go to France which is in the EU. When leaving the EU, Scotland would not be in the EU you will need a passport as per EU law.
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    HildaonplutoHildaonpluto Posts: 37,697
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    NO .Scotland wont be a foreign country legally just as Ireland isnt.
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    HildaonplutoHildaonpluto Posts: 37,697
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    television2004 wrote: »
    Cameron and his speech yesterday said you would need passports to go to Scotland or vice versa. Border checkpoints at Gretna. You need a passport to go to France which is in the EU. When leaving the EU, Scotland would not be in the EU you will need a passport as per EU law.

    Not true.This hasnt been the case with Ireland since the late 1940s which predates the EU.
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    smudges dadsmudges dad Posts: 36,989
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    Gary_LandyFan wrote: »
    I do laugh when you Scots say this...
    So it isn't the SNP vision that is sold in the White Paper?
    The SNP aren't the party that will be in power and doing the negotiation?

    It doesn't matter whether the person voting for Independence votes for the SNP, this is THEIR vision of Independence no matter how much you claim otherwise...
    I'm English, but don't let that worry you:p
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    duckymallardduckymallard Posts: 13,936
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    Gary_LandyFan wrote: »
    I do laugh when you Scots say this...
    So it isn't the SNP vision that is sold in the White Paper?
    The SNP aren't the party that will be in power and doing the negotiation?

    It doesn't matter whether the person voting for Independence votes for the SNP, this is THEIR vision of Independence no matter how much you claim otherwise...

    Once we have the keys to the house we can change the wallpaper.
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    barky99barky99 Posts: 3,921
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    television2004 wrote: »
    Cameron and his speech yesterday said you would need passports to go to Scotland or vice versa. Border checkpoints at Gretna. You need a passport to go to France which is in the EU. When leaving the EU, Scotland would not be in the EU you will need a passport as per EU law.
    we have a common travel area which will continue, no passports required to go to Ireland, Isle of Man etc from UK remember & there is no mechanism to boot Scottish EU citizens out of EU
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    curmycurmy Posts: 4,725
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    ItJustMyOpinion wrote: »
    It will be like Berlin in 1961. Scots will wake up to drilling and barbed wire being placed on the border by British troops. :D

    :) I love it !
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    television2004television2004 Posts: 2,317
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    barky99 wrote: »
    there will still be open borders just like between most countries in Europe - in our case by an agreement independent of EU & ALL Scots will be able to hold a UK passport for themselves + 1 generation

    No they will not. The UK on independence will not exist. So a UK passport cannot exist. When UK passports for people in Scotland expire they will be automatically issued with Scottish passport. If born in the rUK you will be given a choice. When UK passports expire for England N Ireland and Wales they will be issued with a rUK passport.
    In order to obtain a rUK passport a Scottish citizen will have to prove a strong connection with the rUK. (Like born in rUK)
    Cameron said in his speech yesterday that rUK protection would not apply to Scottish passport holders.,
    Why would rUK offer passports to 3 million Scots after they have said they want to be independent of the UK?
    You take the consequences of yes you do not cherry pick what parts you like or do not like.
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    plateletplatelet Posts: 26,399
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    smudges dad wrote: »
    FFS It's not the SNP

    How many times do you have to be told?

    Do you think you can still control them? :D
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    Biffo the BearBiffo the Bear Posts: 25,859
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    Build that wall and then repatriate all the beggars and smackheads :D

    "Welcome hoom Angus!"

    "Gizza quid.. er.. groat."
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    Gary_LandyFanGary_LandyFan Posts: 3,824
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    television2004 wrote: »
    No they will not. The UK on independence will not exist. So a UK passport cannot exist. When UK passports for people in Scotland expire they will be automatically issued with Scottish passport. If born in the rUK you will be given a choice. When UK passports expire for England N Ireland and Wales they will be issued with a rUK passport.
    In order to obtain a rUK passport a Scottish citizen will have to prove a strong connection with the rUK. (Like born in rUK)
    Cameron said in his speech yesterday that rUK protection would not apply to Scottish passport holders.,
    Why would rUK offer passports to 3 million Scots after they have said they want to be independent of the UK?
    You take the consequences of yes you do not cherry pick what parts you like or do not like.
    Yes it will!

    16. The overwhelming view in the evidence we received was that after a "yes" vote the rest of the United Kingdom would continue as the same state: it would be the continuator state. Scotland would become a new, successor state.
    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201314/ldselect/ldconst/188/18805.htm
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,668
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    It's already happening :)
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2756943/Just-practising-Pranksters-set-spoof-passport-control-checkpoint-Scottish-border-lighten-independence-debate.html
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    television2004television2004 Posts: 2,317
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    Hildaonpluto wrote: »
    NO .Scotland wont be a foreign country legally just as Ireland isnt.

    Yes it will be. Scotland will be independent!
    You can not base this on what happened when Southern Ireland left the UK in the 1920's.
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    LateralthinkingLateralthinking Posts: 8,027
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    jclock66 wrote: »
    Let's hope so.

    This.

    It is absolutely essential.

    As for local buses, trains etc in France/Switzerland.

    Armed guards rummage through shopping bags.

    Ruck sacks and brief cases take longer.

    But it's only about a 15 minute delay on most trips.

    About 30 minutes on each working day.
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    HildaonplutoHildaonpluto Posts: 37,697
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    television2004 wrote: »
    Yes it will be. Scotland will be independent!
    You can not base this on what happened when Southern Ireland left the UK in the 1920's.

    Why?Many political observers agree with my assertion.Alistair Darling and co know the border control claim is nonsense on stilts that may garner some no votes.:D
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