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Scottish independence: let's have an honest debate (P3)

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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 181
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    ok,you win, these guys are yer regular BT crew, not a right wing thug anywhere in sight

    Sarcasm won't hide your bigotry.

    Next you'll be calling those with different opinions traitors.

    Perhaps Scotland is too wee and too stupid to go it alone.
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    ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    Zac_Jones wrote: »
    Oh Christ!

    Another sectarian obsessive!

    Is this a Scottish football forum or something?

    It seems like it's littered with football hooligans.

    He's Irish
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    Dub2Dub2 Posts: 2,876
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    mimik1uk wrote: »
    nice to see your true colours finally come out

    your stance has nothing to do with what is best for Scotland but just seeing it as sticking it to the English

    Not sure why you think my `colours` are hidden at all. I want to see an independent Scotland which holds it`s head up high amongst the free nations of the earth.

    The English are an irrelevance in all this, but typical that you lads make it all about you.
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    timboytimboy Posts: 30,094
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    Zac_Jones wrote: »
    An Asian SDL member? There's something incongruous about that one.

    You're really struggling. Is there any sign of a BNP or EDL logo?

    There also appears to be no sign of a nazi salute.

    P.S. One still photograph has a bloke who might be doing one, but it's rather inconclusive.

    Abdul Salaam is rather famous for his views.
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    mindsetmindset Posts: 23,949
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    Dub2 wrote: »
    Hey, my grandfather managed to fight for the British in both world wars. He was fourteen when he was sent to the front in 1918. He was told his small nation, Ireland, would be granted freedom at the end of the war. We will always have young men who are prepared to fight for a perceived freedom.

    Your comment about the Irish making it illegal for citizens to join the British forces is an utter, despicable lie. But no different to the lies being fed to the Scottish people even as we speak.


    http://www.historytoday.com/brian-girvin/de-valeras-diplomatic-neutrality

    Some 4,000 Irish army personnel deserted to Britain during the war, most of them long after any threat to Irish neutrality had disappeared. De Valera removed responsibility for these men from the military courts and introduced special legislation to deprive them of various rights for seven years.
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    mimik1ukmimik1uk Posts: 46,701
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    Dub2 wrote: »
    Not sure why you think my `colours` are hidden at all. I want to see an independent Scotland which holds it`s head up high amongst the free nations of the earth.

    The English are an irrelevance in all this, but typical that you lads make it all about you.

    all about me ?

    i'm Scottish
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    jenziejenzie Posts: 20,821
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    whatever the result, we ALL work towards it
    NO MATTER WHAT
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    Dub2Dub2 Posts: 2,876
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    mindset wrote: »
    http://www.historytoday.com/brian-girvin/de-valeras-diplomatic-neutrality

    Some 4,000 Irish army personnel deserted to Britain during the war, most of them long after any threat to Irish neutrality had disappeared. De Valera removed responsibility for these men from the military courts and introduced special legislation to deprive them of various rights for seven years.

    That link is to Irish soldiers deserting their posts to join a foreign army. I don`t see any laws prohibiting Irish citizens from joining the British forces in there.

    Why do you lads need to lie so much?
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    Dub2Dub2 Posts: 2,876
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    Electra wrote: »
    He's Irish

    No sectarianism in the independent part of Ireland. Religious hatred seems to be an English thing.


    Vote YES Scotland, to rid yourself of Westminster induced religious hatred.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 181
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    Electra wrote: »
    He's Irish

    That would not weaken my point in the slightest.

    Indeed, it may well strengthen it.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 181
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    Dub2 wrote: »
    No sectarianism in the independent part of Ireland. Religious hatred seems to be an English thing.


    Vote YES Scotland, to rid yourself of Westminster induced religious hatred.

    You do have some novel views. I'll give you that.
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    vosnevosne Posts: 14,131
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    Dub2 wrote: »
    No sectarianism in the independent part of Ireland. Religious hatred seems to be an English thing.


    Vote YES Scotland, to rid yourself of Westminster induced religious hatred.

    lol....dear me :D
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 181
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    timboy wrote: »
    Abdul Salaam is rather famous for his views.

    Famous?

    I've certainly never heard of him.

    Perhaps he's only famous in certain circles.

    I take it you must be in the SDL too, to know his name.
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    lizbetlizbet Posts: 854
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    mRebel wrote: »
    If Yes wins it won't be long before Yes voters are disappointed! When the promises of the SNP aren't fulfilled, like when they don't get currency union and continuing membership of the EU for a start, they are going to be angrily demanding an explanation from Slamond and co. I don't want Scotland to leave the UK, as I'm an Englishman who likes Scotland and have had many Scots friends over the years, though I do accept it's the Scots right to decide. And if the majority vote Yes, it will be interesting to hear the excuses of the SNP as to why they can't deliver their promises. I expect they've got those excuses ready.

    Agree, I think there will be a huge fallout when they fail to deliver the hopes now held by so many....by then it will be too late to undo the damage caused and the huge division. :(
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    timboytimboy Posts: 30,094
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    Zac_Jones wrote: »
    Famous?

    I've certainly never heard of him.

    Perhaps he's only famous in certain circles.

    I take it you must be in the SDL too, to know his name.

    LOL, your powers of deduction are very poor.

    I am diametrically opposed to his views. I would say he is a scum bag but I think he has some learning difficulties.
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    Dub2Dub2 Posts: 2,876
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    Zac_Jones wrote: »
    You do have some novel views. I'll give you that.

    The English introduced religious hatred to Ireland as a weapon of war. Do you dispute that?

    Would you also dispute my comment that independent Ireland is completely free of this religious hatred?

    Vote Yes you Scots. Rid yourself of this unnecessary religious bollox. You are currently part of a country where a Catholic cannot become prime minister or Head of State.

    Dump the sectarian English gobshit.es and join the wealthy free nations of the world.:)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 181
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    timboy wrote: »
    LOL, your powers of deduction are very poor.

    I am diametrically opposed to his views. I would say he is a scum bag but I think he has some learning difficulties.

    No you're not. I've seen several of your posts that could have come out of the BNP handbook.

    You strike me as a Millwall supporter.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 181
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    Dub2 wrote: »
    The English introduced religious hatred to Ireland as a weapon of war. Do you dispute that?

    Would you also dispute my comment that independent Ireland is completely free of this religious hatred?

    Vote Yes you Scots. Rid yourself of this unnecessary religious bollox. You are currently part of a country where a Catholic cannot become prime minister or Head of State.

    Dump the sectarian English gobshit.es and join the wealthy free nations of the world.:)

    I would dispute every word you've written, if it weren't for the fact I'm utterly convinced you are a wind up merchant with an excessive sense of irony.
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    Dub2Dub2 Posts: 2,876
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    Zac_Jones wrote: »
    I would dispute every word you've written, .

    Do it.

    No knowledgeable person would dispute anything i have written.
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    timboytimboy Posts: 30,094
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    Zac_Jones wrote: »
    No you're not. I've seen several of your posts that could have come out of the BNP handbook.

    You strike me as a Millwall supporter.

    Why not quote these post I have allegedly made?

    I'll bet you don't because they don't exist.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 181
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    Dub2 wrote: »
    Do it.

    No knowledgeable person would dispute anything i have written.
    Very good. I'm almost amused.

    You'll find other fisheries more rewarding.
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    Dub2Dub2 Posts: 2,876
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    Zac_Jones wrote: »
    Very good. I'm almost amused.

    You'll find other fisheries more rewarding.

    That is really poor.

    Anyway, goodnight to all. With a bit of luck our Scottish brothers and sisters will be brave enough to lead the entire British and Irish isles in a completely different direction.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 181
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    Dub2 wrote: »
    That is really poor.

    Anyway, goodnight to all. With a bit of luck our Scottish brothers and sisters will be brave enough to lead the entire British and Irish isles in a completely different direction.

    Economic collapse and political isolation are certainly a different direction.
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    Dub2Dub2 Posts: 2,876
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    Zac_Jones wrote: »
    Economic collapse and political isolation are certainly a different direction.

    Scotland will neither collapse or be politically isolated if it votes for independence.

    You do have to wonder why the English are so utterly terrified by Scottish independence.
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    BillyJamesTBillyJamesT Posts: 2,934
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    Two weeks ago the might of the British establishment railed against the people of Scotland. Banks, corporate business, biased broadcast and print media and the elitist Westminster parties threatened and bullied us.

    The very same establishment that tanked our economy, the same Royal Bank Of Scotland WE had to bail out. They threatened to leave, take jobs and hike up prices if we even dared vote Yes. Make no mistake they are endeavouring to corrupt our democratic right to vote Yes. They are the all powerful rulers, our masters. We are their slaves, prisoners of the fear and lies they peddle.

    Today September 18 2014, is unique. Today the British establishment, that warmongering imperialist machine, stands powerless holding its breath. Because today, absolute sovereign power lies in the hands of the Scottish people. We have to decide, do we keep it, or do we give it all away?

    Bypass fear, corruption, doubt, anger, hesitancy, and confusion Vote with your heart today . VOTE YES.
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