The over 55s. The older voter , the elderly, the people who blocked the future for the young.
Try substituting that with , say Catholics, Asians, immigrants , etc.
This was a democratic process. 2 million people said no . To begin a process of demonising one section of society and stoking up bitter resentment is hardly the actions of a statesman.
He was only quoting the stats. The OAP's mainly voted no. The young mainly voted Yes.
I thought people were being a bit melodramatic when they said there was tension between friends who voted the opposite way, but I was chatting to an old colleague today who was saying that his family in Dundee are in two camps who are not talking to each other still.
All a bit petty, isn't it?
From what I've been reading, generally the uneducated, young, or poor voted Yes.
One of the problems with democracy there, the least capable of society have equal say.
Where were you reading that little fact? Any links? People make these condescending statements and when others protest at being described as such they get accused of creating a bad atmosphere!
Where were you reading that little fact? Any links? People make these condescending statements and when others protest at being described as such they get accused of creating a bad atmosphere!
Kinda like the guy who was saying that "no" voters were all pony owners who take afternoon tea at the Hilton, eh? ;-)
scotland has had a vote and the majority won and said no..so maybe a few more devolved powers will be given in a year or so and thats what was promised ..there is no trick or breach of promise yet so why is there any bad atmosphere .. ..however now its not all about scotland..thanks to the aftermath / referendum, we in england are being given a moments thought and we need an english parliament or devolution for the regions...this should be done same time as scotland assembly gets more powers and maybe things are gonna work out okay .
scotland has had a vote and the majority won and said no..so maybe a few more devolved powers will be given in a year or so and thats what was promised ..there is no trick or breach of promise yet so why is there any bad atmosphere .. ..however now its not all about scotland..thanks to the aftermath / referendum, we in england are being given a moments thought and we need an english parliament or devolution for the regions...this should be done same time as scotland assembly gets more powers and maybe things are gonna work out okay .
First step is to honour the Devo Max Agreement as quickly as possible before Salmond makes more mischief and poisons further the minds of the Young and Disaffected.
We don't want to end up little more than a group of small States arguing on who will get the biggest slice of the cake, because it is their "right". We do need to quickly sort the ridiculousness of devolved MPs voting on matters not related to their Assembly / Parliaments Sphere of Interest. Scots would not appreciate a Welsh or NI MP voting on there Internal Issues, so it is imminently reasonable that likewise only English MP's vote for English related matters. Everyone comes together on National Interests and overall Strategy as full and voting equals. It would take no time to introduce this principle and if not there soon will stoke the real resentment out there on how unfair this is. Another Legacy of Salmond.
He was only quoting the stats. The OAP's mainly voted no. The young mainly voted Yes.
Yes, I've seen much made of that voting stat. All it told me was that at least there were enough people around who'd lived a lot more of life and have more experience to save the day from the naviety of youngsters, many of whom are still children.
First step is to honour the Devo Max Agreement as quickly as possible
Let's make that 'when it's good and ready and properly drafted after full consideration of all the issues, so there's no mistakes that cause chaos later' shall we?
Let's make that 'when it's good and ready and properly drafted after full consideration of all the issues, so there's no mistakes that cause chaos later' shall we?
Perhaps they should have made that clear when promising max devo then and publishing a timetable.....a timetable they already haven't kept to.
Perhaps they should have made that clear when promising max devo then and publishing a timetable.....a timetable they already haven't kept to.
devolving powers and especially tax powers is complicated..it cant be done like that / so quickly if its going to work..the monetary relationship between westminster and the scottish assembly has to be worked out properly so there is no disputes...peoples should have patience. as it wil take at least a year i reckon to go through and pass i to law .in scotland you have a devolved assembly ..think of how peoiple in the north of england feel whan they get zilch devolution and still nothing really concrete for them being promised.
devolving powers and especially tax powers is complicated..it cant be done like that / so quickly if its going to work..the monetary relationship between westminster and the scottish assembly has to be worked out properly so there is no disputes...peoples should have patience. as it wil take at least a year i reckon to go through and pass i to law .in scotland you have a devolved assembly ..think of how peoiple in the north of england feel whan they get zilch devolution and still nothing really concrete for them being promised.
I agree with you but it doesn't detract from my point, the 3 amigos (well they were amigos 5 days ago, not surprised that has changed) set out a clear timetable and they have not stuck to it already. If they thought it was a tall order or needed more time to deliver what they promised they should surely have said so.
that is odd indeed (regarding your fears of moving to england), i know many northern ireland catholics who work in england and have a lot of english friends, their ancestors fought against the english for centuries, slitting their throats in the battle field, but maybe the tension between the scots and the english is greater than with the paddies?
What won't? The fact they never lived up to their 'vow' or the fact I am highlighting it?
The fact that Brown promised stuff "before the next election" and then, when Alex Salmond tried to set an exact date (as a means of attempting to get Cameron to announce the date of the next GE), Cameron refused to acknowledge that date.
That's not failing to live up to a vow. It's ignoring some gormless, bitter, has-been arsehole's last attempt at sticking the knife in.
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Course, if there's some other facet of the agreement that you think the tories already haven't lived up to, I'd be interested to hear it.
The fact that Brown promised stuff "before the next election" and then, when Alex Salmond tried to set an exact date (as a means of attempting to get Cameron to announce the date of the next GE), Cameron refused to acknowledge that date.
That's not failing to live up to a vow. It's ignoring some gormless, bitter, has-been arsehole's last attempt at sticking the knife in.
*EDIT*
Course, if there's some other facet of the agreement that you think the tories already haven't lived up to, I'd be interested to hear it.
Yes, I've seen much made of that voting stat. All it told me was that at least there were enough people around who'd lived a lot more of life and have more experience to save the day from the naviety of youngsters, many of whom are still children.
Indeed. When I think back to the utter nonsense I believed at that age it makes me dead against 16-year-olds having a vote. Just naive, idealistic, impossible drivel unrooted in the real world.
Indeed. When I think back to the utter nonsense I believed at that age it makes me dead against 16-year-olds having a vote. Just naive, idealistic, impossible drivel unrooted in the real world.
I was suprirsed so many voted independence. When I was at school years ago I was taught about the formation of the Union which was interesting and I learned about the housing in Glasgow and post war housing. Was interesting and it followed me a decade on and helped me make an informed and easy choice to vote no.
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The reason why he lowered the voting age top 16
All a bit petty, isn't it?
One of the problems with democracy there, the least capable of society have equal say.
Where were you reading that little fact? Any links? People make these condescending statements and when others protest at being described as such they get accused of creating a bad atmosphere!
Next time they'll have "You must be this tall" stands outside ballot stations in order to be eligible for the vote.
2 million ****s in Scotland? That is a truly terrifying statistic. Must be midges then.
Kinda like the guy who was saying that "no" voters were all pony owners who take afternoon tea at the Hilton, eh? ;-)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2765150/UKs-giant-female-panda-Tian-Tian-definitely-no-longer-pregnant.html
The young and poor are "least capable"? Capable of what?
Some people are claiming Tian Tian's uterus has absorbed the all-important Yes votes.....
First step is to honour the Devo Max Agreement as quickly as possible before Salmond makes more mischief and poisons further the minds of the Young and Disaffected.
We don't want to end up little more than a group of small States arguing on who will get the biggest slice of the cake, because it is their "right". We do need to quickly sort the ridiculousness of devolved MPs voting on matters not related to their Assembly / Parliaments Sphere of Interest. Scots would not appreciate a Welsh or NI MP voting on there Internal Issues, so it is imminently reasonable that likewise only English MP's vote for English related matters. Everyone comes together on National Interests and overall Strategy as full and voting equals. It would take no time to introduce this principle and if not there soon will stoke the real resentment out there on how unfair this is. Another Legacy of Salmond.
Yes, I've seen much made of that voting stat. All it told me was that at least there were enough people around who'd lived a lot more of life and have more experience to save the day from the naviety of youngsters, many of whom are still children.
Perhaps they should have made that clear when promising max devo then and publishing a timetable.....a timetable they already haven't kept to.
devolving powers and especially tax powers is complicated..it cant be done like that / so quickly if its going to work..the monetary relationship between westminster and the scottish assembly has to be worked out properly so there is no disputes...peoples should have patience. as it wil take at least a year i reckon to go through and pass i to law .in scotland you have a devolved assembly ..think of how peoiple in the north of england feel whan they get zilch devolution and still nothing really concrete for them being promised.
I agree with you but it doesn't detract from my point, the 3 amigos (well they were amigos 5 days ago, not surprised that has changed) set out a clear timetable and they have not stuck to it already. If they thought it was a tall order or needed more time to deliver what they promised they should surely have said so.
You know that'll never become true regardless of how often you say it, right?
What won't? The fact they never lived up to their 'vow' or the fact I am highlighting it?
The fact that Brown promised stuff "before the next election" and then, when Alex Salmond tried to set an exact date (as a means of attempting to get Cameron to announce the date of the next GE), Cameron refused to acknowledge that date.
That's not failing to live up to a vow. It's ignoring some gormless, bitter, has-been arsehole's last attempt at sticking the knife in.
*EDIT*
Course, if there's some other facet of the agreement that you think the tories already haven't lived up to, I'd be interested to hear it.
I wish we had a 'like' button on DS
Indeed. When I think back to the utter nonsense I believed at that age it makes me dead against 16-year-olds having a vote. Just naive, idealistic, impossible drivel unrooted in the real world.
I was suprirsed so many voted independence. When I was at school years ago I was taught about the formation of the Union which was interesting and I learned about the housing in Glasgow and post war housing. Was interesting and it followed me a decade on and helped me make an informed and easy choice to vote no.