There's a whole forum on here for politics... conveniently called 'Politics'. I haven't looked but I suspect this subject has popped up on there from time to time.
I would have to say and have just voted here as Get Out, but I would prefer a third option of complete overhaul. We should go back to what people voted in for , a Union for trade and movement of people , no one voted for what we have today and I have to say I think the only people it works well for are maybe the poorer countries that joined, no offense to them but thats how it appears.
You cannot expect so many different countries to aim towards living under the same laws and way of life, but we could have a happy co-operation that does not cost us millions per day to pay overpaid MEP's to switrch between parliament buildings to keep some people happy , for grants handed out left right and centre for dodgy and non existant schemes and for accounts that could not be sigend off for years, if any company worked like that it would be closed down.
So I say an overhaul would be the preferable option and I am sure many other people in EU countries would be for that as well.
Same here. I would in the past have instinctively voted yes because all the vocal opposition to the EU seems to come from the hard right nationalist sphere of politics. However, as my political opinions have developed, I glowingly dislike the idea of increasingly centralised power such as we see with the EU or even Westminster and Whitehall. It's such a pity that the quality of debate and information about the issue is so poor.
It's quite interesting to see right-wing Eurosceptics using a lot of the same arguments and sentiment as the Scottish YES campaign when they talk about Europe when they had to counter those very attitudes in opposing Scottish independence.
There are four fundamental principles underpinning the EU as it's currently constituted.
- Freedom of goods
- Freedom of services
- Freedom of labour
- Freedom of capital
I don't have a strong objection to the first two, but I have a massive problem with the last two - and the EU in it's current form will never address the issues I have with these two cornerstones of it's ideology.
Very worried about such a referendum - could be terrible for the continent as a whole.
As opposed to the current EU policies for the EU which are terrible for the continent as a whole? No job creation. A declining trading block. Excessive regulation. Lack of democracy where members of the EU are not democracies.
Same here. I would in the past have instinctively voted yes because all the vocal opposition to the EU seems to come from the hard right nationalist sphere of politics. However, as my political opinions have developed, I glowingly dislike the idea of increasingly centralised power such as we see with the EU or even Westminster and Whitehall. It's such a pity that the quality of debate and information about the issue is so poor.
It's quite interesting to see right-wing Eurosceptics using a lot of the same arguments and sentiment as the Scottish YES campaign when they talk about Europe when they had to counter those very attitudes in opposing Scottish independence.
The EU and Scotland are two completly different things. Not remotely comparable.
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Go with your hart.
There won't ever be. The EU will never reform.
If the EU was rebooted from the ground up and restructured in a fundamental way, possibly IN. But I just don't see it ever happening.
You cannot expect so many different countries to aim towards living under the same laws and way of life, but we could have a happy co-operation that does not cost us millions per day to pay overpaid MEP's to switrch between parliament buildings to keep some people happy , for grants handed out left right and centre for dodgy and non existant schemes and for accounts that could not be sigend off for years, if any company worked like that it would be closed down.
So I say an overhaul would be the preferable option and I am sure many other people in EU countries would be for that as well.
Scotland and england vote differently, there will be another indyref
Unexpectedly strong vote for "out", currently.
Same here. I would in the past have instinctively voted yes because all the vocal opposition to the EU seems to come from the hard right nationalist sphere of politics. However, as my political opinions have developed, I glowingly dislike the idea of increasingly centralised power such as we see with the EU or even Westminster and Whitehall. It's such a pity that the quality of debate and information about the issue is so poor.
It's quite interesting to see right-wing Eurosceptics using a lot of the same arguments and sentiment as the Scottish YES campaign when they talk about Europe when they had to counter those very attitudes in opposing Scottish independence.
Oh deer.
wrong with going with your heart ,or doing what's best for you
Cameron can do absolutely nothing about open borders whilst in the EU, neither will be be able to get a favourable renegotiation on them.
There are four fundamental principles underpinning the EU as it's currently constituted.
- Freedom of goods
- Freedom of services
- Freedom of labour
- Freedom of capital
I don't have a strong objection to the first two, but I have a massive problem with the last two - and the EU in it's current form will never address the issues I have with these two cornerstones of it's ideology.
As opposed to the current EU policies for the EU which are terrible for the continent as a whole? No job creation. A declining trading block. Excessive regulation. Lack of democracy where members of the EU are not democracies.
The EU and Scotland are two completly different things. Not remotely comparable.
look at your original post, then look up "hart" in your dictionary