I'm hoping at least 1 government party in the general election will put in their manifesto to help deal with the problem people with disabilities face and support them better to overcome the discrimination barriers.
The house of Parliament is out outrage because of the comments.. I really thought there would be a riot!! even David Cameron seemed angry at the comments by his pleeb.
Seems this type of policy already exists in quite a few countries, including under socialist Hollande's France. There doesn't appear to have been any hysteria in other countries about this.
Seems this type of policy already exists in quite a few countries, including under socialist Hollande's France. There doesn't appear to have been any hysteria in other countries about this.
And the disabled fought for many years in the uk to be treated equel as other people, we had a system for years were the disabled were treated badly in the work place, and disabled people DONT want to go back to them days, and not 1 disabled charity or disabled group have agreed with what he said
I would say it would be better if Freud stayed exactly where he was. He would be a constant reminder of what the Tories are really like 'behind closed doors' and their attitudes towards the sick, disabled and unfortunate is summed up by someone like him and smith. I don't think the opposition will be too upset if he remains, it's not long to go. ;-)
Do we want a society where disabled people earn as much from the government as people who have to work long hours every day in hell hole jobs?
I believe in fairness and that's not fair to people that don't have disabilities.
You must be having a laugh here surely as what you are saying is people should not be treated equally in which case I will say to you, you inconsiderate uncaring Scum, not only should the Disabled be treated fairly and not be paid peanuts but the NHS workers who have only just got a 1% pay rise deserve much more as do Carers.
Nobody should have to work for peanuts which is why Labour introduced the Minimum Wage in the first place and are now planning a Living Wage, I do find it very wrong that you can have people such as Rupert FATCAT Murdoch and the FATCAT Energy Bosses[British FATCAT Gas, N FATCAT Power etc.] Who quite frankly are laughing at all of us.
But your attitude is just so VILE and UNCARING it makes me sick.
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You must be having a laugh here surely as what you are saying is people should not be treated equally in which case I will say to you, you inconsiderate uncaring Scum, not only should the Disabled be treated fairly and not be paid peanuts but the NHS workers who have only just got a 1% pay rise deserve much more as do Carers.
Nobody should have to work for peanuts which is why Labour introduced the Minimum Wage in the first place and are now planning a Living Wage, I do find it very wrong that you can have people such as Rupert FATCAT Murdoch and the FATCAT Energy Bosses[British FATCAT Gas, N FATCAT Power etc.] Who quite frankly are laughing at all of us.
But your attitude is just so VILE and UNCARING it makes me sick.
MENCAP used to have some very odd ideas about this. Back in 2000 they said:
“The minimum wage has helped many people with learning disabilities. But people who have severe learning disabilities are also employed, even though they may have a productivity rate of 30% of the average. An employer may say that they will pay someone £15 a week for doing 15 hours work – and generally everyone is happy with this. The person with learning disabilities isn’t excluded from a working environment, and gets to go on works dos and generally join in with the team. And it’s good for the rest of the team too. Unfortunately, if employers have to pay the minimum wage, they may have to let these valuable members of their staff go.”
Though they seem to have now changed their mind as they called the idea "disgusting" yesterday
I would say it would be better if Freud stayed exactly where he was. He would be a constant reminder of what the Tories are really like 'behind closed doors' and their attitudes towards the sick, disabled and unfortunate is summed up by someone like him and smith. I don't think the opposition will be too upset if he remains, it's not long to go. ;-)
I have received a questionnaire from the Tories on behalf of their prospective candidate which is very revealing. There are 17 policy areas where they want you to tick the 3 most important to you and the country. The 3 "welfare" ones listed are:
" Welfare - rewarding hard work
Tax credits and benefits to support working families
Care & support for the elderly "
No mention, of course, of supporting those with serious illness or care and support for disabled people. Says it all really, although they were never likely to want to help their favourite targets.
Do we want a society where disabled people earn as much from the government as people who have to work long hours every day in hell hole jobs?
I believe in fairness and that's not fair to people that don't have disabilities.
You see this is why laws had to be made to protect disabled people from your way of thinking.
Disability rights
2. Employment
It’s against the law for employers to discriminate against you because of a disability. The Equality Act 2010 protects you and covers areas including:
application forms
interview arrangements
aptitude or proficiency tests
job offers
terms of employment, including pay
promotion, transfer and training opportunities
dismissal or redundancy
discipline and grievances
Reasonable adjustments in the workplace
An employer has to make ‘reasonable adjustments’ to avoid you being put at a disadvantage compared to non-disabled people in the workplace. For example, adjusting your working hours or providing you with a special piece of equipment to help you do the job.
Recruitment
An employer who’s recruiting staff may make limited enquiries about your health or disability.
You can only be asked about your health or disability:
to help decide if you can carry out a task that is an essential part of the work
to help find out if you can take part in an interview
to help decide if the interviewers need to make reasonable adjustments for you in a selection process
to help monitoring
if they want to increase the number of disabled people they employ
if they need to know for the purposes of national security checks
You may be asked whether you have a health condition or disability on an application form or in an interview. You need to think about whether the question is one that is allowed to be asked at that stage of recruitment.
It's funny because I know some disabled people who can do some jobs better than some people getter more than minimum wage.. so where do we go with it?
Is it fair for those people who can do a better job than people without disabilities to have this degrading process of a part time worker and part time benefits claimer? because there is nobody governing it so everyone with a disability is going to be tarnished with the same brush.. do you think an employee is going to go up to a disabled person and say "well done you are doing a great job I'll give you a pay rise!"? no of course not because they want cheap labour so this will affect ANYONE with a disability label (physical or mental), which makes it a awful idea because there is a lot of intelligent, capable people out there with disabilities who deserve to be treated equally. America and Australia are much better at this than us.
Not to mention it opens the door for exploitation.
MENCAP used to have some very odd ideas about this. Back in 2000 they said:
Though they seem to have now changed their mind as they called the idea "disgusting" yesterday
Of course they did.
There was a thread here about 3/4 years ago that was about this very issue. A scheme that "paid" severely disabled people to attend/work was closed.
The people using it needed a lot of supervision and therefore weren't really earning anything but they felt they were working/had a job.
And guess what, all those complaining then about the heartless council are now saying a scheme like that shouldn't exist, minimum wage or nothing.
I think it's good this important issue (disabled people getting jobs) has caused such an outrage, because it brings it to the publics attention as an issue that has been brushed under the carpet for too long with nobody caring to tackle it.
It's time as a nation we addressed these issues instead of burying our heads.
Maybe now we can actually sort it out. I hope every MP and party leader is thinking of how to fix it before the next general election and makes it part of their manifesto.
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You must be having a laugh here surely as what you are saying is people should not be treated equally in which case I will say to you, you inconsiderate uncaring Scum, not only should the Disabled be treated fairly and not be paid peanuts but the NHS workers who have only just got a 1% pay rise deserve much more as do Carers.
Nobody should have to work for peanuts which is why Labour introduced the Minimum Wage in the first place and are now planning a Living Wage, I do find it very wrong that you can have people such as Rupert FATCAT Murdoch and the FATCAT Energy Bosses[British FATCAT Gas, N FATCAT Power etc.] Who quite frankly are laughing at all of us.
But your attitude is just so VILE and UNCARING it makes me sick.
Underneath that PR veneer, Labour are just as rotten and vile as the Conservatives and Lib Dems. For example, it was Labour who first employed welfare slasher Lord Freud to go after costly disabled vermin (as they saw it) and it was Labour that started the programme of closing Remploy factories and throwing disabled people on the unemployment scrap heap.
If anyone sticks to the three main parties at the next general election then they will be voting for a pile of steaming Alsation poo or a pile of steaming Labrador poor or a pile of steaming Dachshund poo (Lib Dems, of course). Those three stale parties are all as bad as each other.
Underneath that PR veneer, Labour are just as rotten and vile as the Conservatives and Lib Dems. For example, it was Labour who first employed welfare slasher Lord Freud to go after costly disabled vermin (as they saw it) and it was Labour that started the programme of closing Remploy factories and throwing disabled people on the unemployment scrap heap.
If anyone sticks to the three main parties at the next general election then they will be voting for a pile of steaming Alsation poo or a pile of steaming Labrador poor or a pile of steaming Dachshund poo (Lib Dems, of course). Those three stale parties are all as bad as each other.
It's funny because I know some disabled people who can do some jobs better than some people getter more than minimum wage.. so where do we go with it?
Is it fair for those people who can do a better job than people without disabilities to have this degrading process of a part time worker and part time benefits claimer? because there is nobody governing it so everyone with a disability is going to be tarnished with the same brush.. do you think an employee is going to go up to a disabled person and say "well done you are doing a great job I'll give you a pay rise!"? no of course not because they want cheap labour so this will affect ANYONE with a disability label, which makes it a awful idea because there is a lot of intelligent, capable people out there with disabilities who deserve to be treated equally. America and Australia are much better at this than us.
Not to mention it opens the door for exploitation.
But it's much better to firmly close the door to society to those who are the most disabled?
Is it honestly beyond the wit of everybody to understand that the term "disabled" covers a huge range of abilities?
And that there can be a system which suits all ranges?
But it's much better to firmly close the door to society to those who are the most disabled?
Is it honestly beyond the wit of everybody to understand that the term "disabled" covers a huge range of abilities?
And that there can be a system which suits all ranges?
How is that going to be judged? (treating everyone's disability different and on how capable they are to do said job)
Are the goverment going to pay people to go out and independently assess disabled people and non-disabled people doing the same job to find out if they can do it the same or better? It's not going to happen and you know it. Everyone with a disability will be shafted because they are "cheap", and it will encourage a new "slave trade" in Britain.
This is a sensitive issue but it needs to be dealt with and not brushed under the carpet !
It can work better than it does now, but theres a risk of treating people with a slight mental disability like someone who has severe physical, just because they have a disability label.. it's not in the employers interest to tell the employee with a disability they are just as capable as people already doing the job, does it? (they could do the job better than them all but still be tarnished with the disabled brush)
Do you see the issue here?
It's time we stop prioritising pensioners as a nation and treated people with disabilities with just as much care and understanding
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The house of Parliament is out outrage because of the comments.. I really thought there would be a riot!! even David Cameron seemed angry at the comments by his pleeb.
No keeping his head down hoping it all goes away, but he will find its not going to go away. Looks like disabled groups are after his head Join us to demand Freud resigns or is sacked. Monday October 20th at DWP head office, Caxton House, Tothill Street, 12.30pm til 2.30pm http://dpac.uk.net/2014/10/freud-must-go-urgent-call-out-monday-october-20th-caxton-house-12-30pm/
Hahahahaha! Apologies, had to pop out with dog, came back and thought I had not pressed go.
Wondered why you had quoted it twice.
Oh well, it is there twice but not by design, just forgetfulness:)
I would say it would be better if Freud stayed exactly where he was. He would be a constant reminder of what the Tories are really like 'behind closed doors' and their attitudes towards the sick, disabled and unfortunate is summed up by someone like him and smith. I don't think the opposition will be too upset if he remains, it's not long to go. ;-)
I believe in fairness and that's not fair to people that don't have disabilities.
You must be having a laugh here surely as what you are saying is people should not be treated equally in which case I will say to you, you inconsiderate uncaring Scum, not only should the Disabled be treated fairly and not be paid peanuts but the NHS workers who have only just got a 1% pay rise deserve much more as do Carers.
Nobody should have to work for peanuts which is why Labour introduced the Minimum Wage in the first place and are now planning a Living Wage, I do find it very wrong that you can have people such as Rupert FATCAT Murdoch and the FATCAT Energy Bosses[British FATCAT Gas, N FATCAT Power etc.] Who quite frankly are laughing at all of us.
But your attitude is just so VILE and UNCARING it makes me sick.
still unfamiliar with forum rules I see
Though they seem to have now changed their mind as they called the idea "disgusting" yesterday
I have received a questionnaire from the Tories on behalf of their prospective candidate which is very revealing. There are 17 policy areas where they want you to tick the 3 most important to you and the country. The 3 "welfare" ones listed are:
" Welfare - rewarding hard work
Tax credits and benefits to support working families
Care & support for the elderly "
No mention, of course, of supporting those with serious illness or care and support for disabled people. Says it all really, although they were never likely to want to help their favourite targets.
You see this is why laws had to be made to protect disabled people from your way of thinking.
Disability rights
2. Employment
It’s against the law for employers to discriminate against you because of a disability. The Equality Act 2010 protects you and covers areas including:
application forms
interview arrangements
aptitude or proficiency tests
job offers
terms of employment, including pay
promotion, transfer and training opportunities
dismissal or redundancy
discipline and grievances
Reasonable adjustments in the workplace
An employer has to make ‘reasonable adjustments’ to avoid you being put at a disadvantage compared to non-disabled people in the workplace. For example, adjusting your working hours or providing you with a special piece of equipment to help you do the job.
Recruitment
An employer who’s recruiting staff may make limited enquiries about your health or disability.
You can only be asked about your health or disability:
to help decide if you can carry out a task that is an essential part of the work
to help find out if you can take part in an interview
to help decide if the interviewers need to make reasonable adjustments for you in a selection process
to help monitoring
if they want to increase the number of disabled people they employ
if they need to know for the purposes of national security checks
You may be asked whether you have a health condition or disability on an application form or in an interview. You need to think about whether the question is one that is allowed to be asked at that stage of recruitment.
You do realise disabled people are probably not capable of working long hours everyday?
Where your compassion? people didn't ask to be disabled.. it was the way they are born.
Is it fair for those people who can do a better job than people without disabilities to have this degrading process of a part time worker and part time benefits claimer? because there is nobody governing it so everyone with a disability is going to be tarnished with the same brush.. do you think an employee is going to go up to a disabled person and say "well done you are doing a great job I'll give you a pay rise!"? no of course not because they want cheap labour so this will affect ANYONE with a disability label (physical or mental), which makes it a awful idea because there is a lot of intelligent, capable people out there with disabilities who deserve to be treated equally. America and Australia are much better at this than us.
Not to mention it opens the door for exploitation.
Of course they did.
There was a thread here about 3/4 years ago that was about this very issue. A scheme that "paid" severely disabled people to attend/work was closed.
The people using it needed a lot of supervision and therefore weren't really earning anything but they felt they were working/had a job.
And guess what, all those complaining then about the heartless council are now saying a scheme like that shouldn't exist, minimum wage or nothing.
It's time as a nation we addressed these issues instead of burying our heads.
Maybe now we can actually sort it out. I hope every MP and party leader is thinking of how to fix it before the next general election and makes it part of their manifesto.
Banish forever from The House of Parliament, anything less wouldn't be a good example to set and you risk setting a precedent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/16/tory-values-chart_n_5996688.html
Underneath that PR veneer, Labour are just as rotten and vile as the Conservatives and Lib Dems. For example, it was Labour who first employed welfare slasher Lord Freud to go after costly disabled vermin (as they saw it) and it was Labour that started the programme of closing Remploy factories and throwing disabled people on the unemployment scrap heap.
If anyone sticks to the three main parties at the next general election then they will be voting for a pile of steaming Alsation poo or a pile of steaming Labrador poor or a pile of steaming Dachshund poo (Lib Dems, of course). Those three stale parties are all as bad as each other.
what you said makes me think of this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=f-JmVLEkTKc
But it's much better to firmly close the door to society to those who are the most disabled?
Is it honestly beyond the wit of everybody to understand that the term "disabled" covers a huge range of abilities?
And that there can be a system which suits all ranges?
How is that going to be judged? (treating everyone's disability different and on how capable they are to do said job)
Are the goverment going to pay people to go out and independently assess disabled people and non-disabled people doing the same job to find out if they can do it the same or better? It's not going to happen and you know it. Everyone with a disability will be shafted because they are "cheap", and it will encourage a new "slave trade" in Britain.
This is a sensitive issue but it needs to be dealt with and not brushed under the carpet !
It can work better than it does now, but theres a risk of treating people with a slight mental disability like someone who has severe physical, just because they have a disability label.. it's not in the employers interest to tell the employee with a disability they are just as capable as people already doing the job, does it? (they could do the job better than them all but still be tarnished with the disabled brush)
Do you see the issue here?
It's time we stop prioritising pensioners as a nation and treated people with disabilities with just as much care and understanding