With the time adjustment where does it stand so far?
From what I can work out (and I must stress these are just rough estimates when it comes to time adjustment), we're looking at 6.512m at the moment, when looking at a time frame of 20:24-21:06.
But are also 4.5 million or so in a number of cases. 3.5 million is hardly the norm.
What use is a large "inherited~" audience if a large part of that audience are unlikely to be DW viewers? Or if a part of that audience have just sat through 2 hrs of TV and want/need a break?
It's no use to Doctor Who as it doesn't benefit from it. It did when an episode in Tennant's first series followed football and one of Matt's episodes in 7a followed Strictly. Doctor Who follows Strictly now and gets no boost. The casual audience appears to be gone and the core audience is left.
I used to worry about this a lot. But the truth is even with 5m 'live' viewers, its still one of the BBC's most watched TV shows every Saturday night and - indeed - each week.
Well i would say to that... Should the BBC just give up? It and other shows like it [Merlin Atlantis Etc] are a great alternative to people who have no interest in X-Factor Etc. It very much deserves it's Saturday night slot imho.
Doctor Who has a dedicated audience that follow it around. It isn't getting a massive boost following Strictly. Maybe it should stay in the Summer instead?
Incidentally, each series has gone below 7m by Episode 10 - with the occasional bump along the way. Series 8 has just seen the least number of episodes over 8m. We have already talked at length about this year's consistency in that regard.
Strictly was seen as a chance to get us those bumps (as previous series have episodes which received higher ratings than they would have done without additional 'events' - football, often being the case as an example) but this timeslot with this competition was a mistake.
Though I would like to highlight that while we're here to discuss ratings - the BBC will be seeing these numbers, too. We're unlikely to be the first to spot a problem or a potential problem. Things that are of concern to us aren't necessarily going to be a concern for TPTB.
If they want / need to change the timeslot next year, I'm sure they will do. We'll see a change in cast & production team before there really is a problem worth worrying out.
Doctor Who has a dedicated audience that follow it around. It isn't getting a massive boost following Strictly. Maybe it should stay in the Summer instead?
With the current filming schedule that would only be possible with another split series. No thank you!!
I think the decision to put the show on so late (8.30pm!!) is in some way an admission from the BBC that (a) they know its will get decent overnights regardless but (b) they also know it will gain an extra couple of million in catch-up viewing.
I think it still matters when the show is broadcast, though, because I'm not convinced all the 'live' viewers would necessarily bother to watch the show on catch-up if it was shown (as an example) at 11pm on a Thursday night. I think keeping it - to some degree - front-and-centre in the schedule remains important.
I just think Doctor Who gets the best both worlds - healthy live figures and good catch-up figures too. So what I am saying (in a round-about way) is that I don't think the 'Orange is the New Black'/Netflix approach would necessarily work for Doctor Who.
I think the decision to put the show on so late (8.30pm!!) is in some way an admission from the BBC that (a) they know its will get decent overnights regardless but (b) they also know it will gain an extra couple of million in catch-up viewing.
I think it still matters when the show is broadcast, though, because I'm not convinced all the 'live' viewers would necessarily bother to watch the show on catch-up if it was shown (as an example) at 11pm on a Thursday night. I think keeping it - to some degree - front-and-centre in the schedule remains important.
I just think Doctor Who gets the best both worlds - healthy live figures and good catch-up figures too. So what I am saying (in a round-about way) is that I don't think the 'Orange is the New Black'/Netflix approach would necessarily work for Doctor Who.
I think they expected Doctor Who to get higher figures after Strictly.
I think they expected Doctor Who to get higher figures after Strictly.
On what basis do you think that?
In my view, the key fact is that every episode so far has finished in the top 20 programmes on consolidated ratings. So the show is doing as well or better than it ever has.
I think they expected Doctor Who to get higher figures after Strictly.
Well frankly, if they did, they were stupid. Any positive effect that Strictly would have given DW was taken away by the X-Factor. It's a fact that is plain to see!
I've managed to watch more Doctor Who "live" for Series 8 than I have any other due the later start times. I tend to be out with my family or friends well into the evening.
I'd be interested to know if anyone's got any figures to prove the much said idea that less children watch live with the later start. I'd have thought that kids would watch on catch up whatever the start time, such is the changing of viewing habits and viewing technologies.
I find any pre-7.30pm start totally abhorrent. But that's just my personal opinion.
One of my mates has only just started watching Doctor Who (despite years of me shouting at her to do so). Watches it live on Saturday nights and she said that's partly due to the later timeslot. She can settle down and watch it with her dinner. I think the later time is more appealing to the casual viewer.
I think this ratings malarkey is a laugh!
The X Factor is slaughtering it.......but at the same time it is doing well anyway!! ITV win on viewers/ads.....and BBC win on Catch-up/BBC i etc !! Catch 22 or what??
Personally I think that Doctor Who is doing just as well as it did ten years ago!
Well frankly, if they did, they were stupid. Any positive effect that Strictly would have given DW was taken away by the X-Factor. It's a fact that is plain to see!
No! When strictly finishes X factor increases by a little over a million viewers, which means several million are switching off altogether. Doctor who should be a million higher than what it is.
I think if we had the old days of Rose and tennant and donna, it would get closer to 6m, and still timeshifts of 2m.
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Hey, I thought we were more interested in Overnights than Live - look how that turned out
+ Day 1: 5.826m
+ Day 2: 6.216m
+ Day 3: 6.356m
Thanks Yog.
With the time adjustment where does it stand so far?
What we need is a line graph showing the ratings rise for each episode over a seven day period.
Just saying
From what I can work out (and I must stress these are just rough estimates when it comes to time adjustment), we're looking at 6.512m at the moment, when looking at a time frame of 20:24-21:06.
Episode
Live + Same Day
Repeat
Time Shift
iPlayer
Total Live+7
Deep Breath
6.81 (63%)
0.46 (4%)
2.53 (23%)
0.97 (9%)
10.76 million
Into the Dalek
5.16 (62%)
0.40 (5%)
2.21 (27%)
0,50 (6%)
8.26 million
Robot of Sherwood
5.26 (64%)
0.44 (5%)
2.03 (25%)
0.51 (6%)
8.25 million
Listen
4.82 (62%)
0.37 (5%)
2.14 (27%)
0.48 (6%)
7.80 million
A downward trend I see. These are with 7.30pm starts and X Factor partial clashes from Into The Dalek to Listen.
It's no use to Doctor Who as it doesn't benefit from it. It did when an episode in Tennant's first series followed football and one of Matt's episodes in 7a followed Strictly. Doctor Who follows Strictly now and gets no boost. The casual audience appears to be gone and the core audience is left.
Doctor Who has a dedicated audience that follow it around. It isn't getting a massive boost following Strictly. Maybe it should stay in the Summer instead?
You'll see that a lot.
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Incidentally, each series has gone below 7m by Episode 10 - with the occasional bump along the way. Series 8 has just seen the least number of episodes over 8m. We have already talked at length about this year's consistency in that regard.
Strictly was seen as a chance to get us those bumps (as previous series have episodes which received higher ratings than they would have done without additional 'events' - football, often being the case as an example) but this timeslot with this competition was a mistake.
Though I would like to highlight that while we're here to discuss ratings - the BBC will be seeing these numbers, too. We're unlikely to be the first to spot a problem or a potential problem. Things that are of concern to us aren't necessarily going to be a concern for TPTB.
If they want / need to change the timeslot next year, I'm sure they will do. We'll see a change in cast & production team before there really is a problem worth worrying out.
+ Day 1: 5.826m
+ Day 2: 6.216m
+ Day 3: 6.356m
+ Day 4: 6.415m
With the current filming schedule that would only be possible with another split series. No thank you!!
I think it still matters when the show is broadcast, though, because I'm not convinced all the 'live' viewers would necessarily bother to watch the show on catch-up if it was shown (as an example) at 11pm on a Thursday night. I think keeping it - to some degree - front-and-centre in the schedule remains important.
I just think Doctor Who gets the best both worlds - healthy live figures and good catch-up figures too. So what I am saying (in a round-about way) is that I don't think the 'Orange is the New Black'/Netflix approach would necessarily work for Doctor Who.
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With an extra look at other top performers for comparison.
+ Day 1: 5.826m
+ Day 2: 6.216m
+ Day 3: 6.356m
+ Day 4: 6.415m
+ Day 5: 6.467m
Thanks Yog.
So around 6.6m with adjustments?
On what basis do you think that?
In my view, the key fact is that every episode so far has finished in the top 20 programmes on consolidated ratings. So the show is doing as well or better than it ever has.
Well frankly, if they did, they were stupid. Any positive effect that Strictly would have given DW was taken away by the X-Factor. It's a fact that is plain to see!
I'd be interested to know if anyone's got any figures to prove the much said idea that less children watch live with the later start. I'd have thought that kids would watch on catch up whatever the start time, such is the changing of viewing habits and viewing technologies.
I find any pre-7.30pm start totally abhorrent. But that's just my personal opinion.
The X Factor is slaughtering it.......but at the same time it is doing well anyway!! ITV win on viewers/ads.....and BBC win on Catch-up/BBC i etc !! Catch 22 or what??
Personally I think that Doctor Who is doing just as well as it did ten years ago!
Forget the ratings - they are defunct nowadays!!
I judge by the AA ratings!
The difference as of last year was about 17 million homes.
No! When strictly finishes X factor increases by a little over a million viewers, which means several million are switching off altogether. Doctor who should be a million higher than what it is.
I think if we had the old days of Rose and tennant and donna, it would get closer to 6m, and still timeshifts of 2m.