I think you will find in Northern Ireland quite a few BBC presenters do not wear poppies.I have still seen no evidence for the claim that the BBC is forcing people to wear poppies, if they are it must be a conspiracy with Sky, ITV and C5, not to mention most national newspapers which carry the emblem on their front pages. I believe Jon Snow famously refuses to wear a poppy.
Which presenters? I can't say I've ever noticed any not wearing poppies at this time of year.
In addition BBC and UTV presenters always wear shamrocks on St Patrick's Day.
I'm utterly disgusted that there are no meerkat adverts that have them wearing poppies.
Or those hippos that go round in a circle of blue light - that one's BBC isn't it?
Because the BBC's poppy season officially started today. How much do you want to bet that the One Show presenters will be wearing one on Monday? And how much do you want to bet that the vast majority of your work colleagues will not?
I don't suppose it could just be that the presenters choose to wear a poppy as an act of remembrance like many other people?
I'm sorry to have to say it, but this is possibly the most naive comment of the year.
I suppose none of them are "compelled" to wear clothes, either?
Coercion is so powerful because it is invisible. There is no memo, no paper trail, no disciplinary hearings for those who contravene this most unwritten of unwritten rules. But none who value their career in the Beeb, or in public life, would dare go against the "suggestion" that they should wear a poppy (and declare how happy to do it voluntarily).
The numbers who don't wear a poppy are the clearest illustration of this.
But the thread started by claiming that presenters and others appearing on BBC were pressured into wearing a poppy even though there is plenty of evidence of people not wearing one on BBC.
The irony of that is while presenters appear to be coerced into wearing poppies they get reprimanded for wearing an aids ribbon as it is apparently against editorial guidelines that say presenters "must remain independent and distanced from government initiatives, campaigners, charities and their agendas".
The poppy campaign has a special status in the UK, other charities do not have street collections at the same time. I think people in the armed and other services are allowed to wear a poppy on their uniform.
There are so many campaign button and ribbons around that it seems quite reasonable to ban wearing them on TV or else celebrities would be pressured to wear them when appearing on TV. You could end up with them having a lapel covered in ribbons.
There are so many campaign button and ribbons around that it seems quite reasonable to ban wearing them on TV or else celebrities would be pressured to wear them when appearing on TV. You could end up with them having a lapel covered in ribbons.
So they may be pressured or feel pressured to wear one of these myriad of buttons and ribbons but they aren't pressured to wear the poppy
given that there was some for sale outside a major supermarket today, im not at all surprised to hear the BBC presenters are wearing them.
I can however only iminage the reaction of the Daily Mail, and its "brigade" of people waiting to be told what to think and how to phrase their Digital Spy posts, would react if the BBC presenters did not wear any poppies at all.
Despite a BBC Editorial guideline dated 20th October suggesting that poppies "may be worn" from from 06:00 Saturday 25 October, they were already in evidence last Thursday.
The "may be" claim is farcical: anyone who dares to appear on screen without declaring their support for this one charity (no other though) will have not done so without it being at best forcibly suggested.
The time has started for comparing the ridiculous imbalance between proportion of people seen wearing poppies in real life and that on TV screens.
Freedom of conscience?
Equal sympathy for conscripted soldiers of all nationalities?
Right to decide for oneself what charity to display support for?
The discretion to support a charity without public proclamation?
Not on the BBC.
So..........
It's wrong to remember people who died in battle to try to make the world a better place?
So.....
ITV/Sky/ Ch4 / Ch5 etc, do not have guidelines, do not wear poppies.
So...
Just another visas thread having a go, and no consistency at all for other broadcasters, and other professions?
Your first link actually disproves your claim. That journalist said they were offered a poppy and declined, with no pressure, force, threat or demand to wear it and no consequences to declining.
So the BBC don't force or pressure presenters into wearing one.
Your first link actually disproves your claim. That journalist said they were offered a poppy and declined, with no pressure, force, threat or demand to wear it and no consequences to declining.
So the BBC don't force or pressure presenters into wearing one.
If anyone puts pressure on presenters to wear poppies it's certain sections of the tabloid press
If anyone puts pressure on presenters to wear poppies it's certain sections of the tabloid press
No-one has produced a shred of evidence on this thread to show BBC presenters are under any pressure at all,whatever has been said about the BBC could be said about any of the TV networks.
Despite a BBC Editorial guideline dated 20th October suggesting that poppies "may be worn" from from 06:00 Saturday 25 October, they were already in evidence last Thursday.
The "may be" claim is farcical: anyone who dares to appear on screen without declaring their support for this one charity (no other though) will have not done so without it being at best forcibly suggested.
The time has started for comparing the ridiculous imbalance between proportion of people seen wearing poppies in real life and that on TV screens.
Freedom of conscience?
Equal sympathy for conscripted soldiers of all nationalities?
Right to decide for oneself what charity to display support for?
The discretion to support a charity without public proclamation?
Not on the BBC.
Poppy fascism??
I was going to post a long rant, but I'm sorry OP you have really offended me.
The high street is not a fair comparison. The speed with which poppies seem to fall off so that you have to buy another one these days is amazing. So you cannot possibly tell how many people on the high street might have started out wearing one but have since lost it.
Agreed. Personally (and I don't know if its a male thing) I seem incapable of affixing a poppy that actually stays where it is supposed to stay.
Poppy sellers out in force in Nuneaton today and seemed to be doing good business.
They probably all feel the need to wear one otherwise papers like the Daily Mail will probably accuse the BBC of being anti-British or not caring about the war dead.
You can just see the headlines now if one presenter or news reader wasn't wearing one - even a guest.
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Which presenters? I can't say I've ever noticed any not wearing poppies at this time of year.
In addition BBC and UTV presenters always wear shamrocks on St Patrick's Day.
well people in the public eye might have a professional reason to wear one ..... and it's a poppy NOT explosives!
Or those hippos that go round in a circle of blue light - that one's BBC isn't it?
>:( Bah!!! >:(>:(
I don't suppose it could just be that the presenters choose to wear a poppy as an act of remembrance like many other people?
But the thread started by claiming that presenters and others appearing on BBC were pressured into wearing a poppy even though there is plenty of evidence of people not wearing one on BBC.
The poppy campaign has a special status in the UK, other charities do not have street collections at the same time. I think people in the armed and other services are allowed to wear a poppy on their uniform.
There are so many campaign button and ribbons around that it seems quite reasonable to ban wearing them on TV or else celebrities would be pressured to wear them when appearing on TV. You could end up with them having a lapel covered in ribbons.
So they may be pressured or feel pressured to wear one of these myriad of buttons and ribbons but they aren't pressured to wear the poppy
I can however only iminage the reaction of the Daily Mail, and its "brigade" of people waiting to be told what to think and how to phrase their Digital Spy posts, would react if the BBC presenters did not wear any poppies at all.
Being pressured by society regarding the former is rather different from being pressured by your employer
So..........
It's wrong to remember people who died in battle to try to make the world a better place?
So.....
ITV/Sky/ Ch4 / Ch5 etc, do not have guidelines, do not wear poppies.
So...
Just another visas thread having a go, and no consistency at all for other broadcasters, and other professions?
Your first link actually disproves your claim. That journalist said they were offered a poppy and declined, with no pressure, force, threat or demand to wear it and no consequences to declining.
So the BBC don't force or pressure presenters into wearing one.
If anyone puts pressure on presenters to wear poppies it's certain sections of the tabloid press
I've just switched over to Sky News and they've got poppies on there too. So your BBC theory holds no water.
As for the high street unfortunately that's partly due to a lack of sellers. I've not seen one yet. When I do see one I'll be buying one.
No-one has produced a shred of evidence on this thread to show BBC presenters are under any pressure at all,whatever has been said about the BBC could be said about any of the TV networks.
Poppy fascism??
I was going to post a long rant, but I'm sorry OP you have really offended me.
Reported.
Agreed. Personally (and I don't know if its a male thing) I seem incapable of affixing a poppy that actually stays where it is supposed to stay.
Poppy sellers out in force in Nuneaton today and seemed to be doing good business.
Reported what?
ALL of them? And if I recall correctly Italian, German and Spanish former footballers on Football Focus and such programmes?
Do you wear a poppy ?
Nope.
You can just see the headlines now if one presenter or news reader wasn't wearing one - even a guest.
I think this thread would be interested to know why you don't wear a poppy.
I don't want to!