Haha , Cameron mus be swiveling at this latest twist , a vote on Europe must include Scotland,Wales and N Ireland and not left solely to the English, this is going to get interesting . PMQ's on their way as well
Well, yeah. Common sense would dictate that a vote on the UK leaving the EU would have to involve all regions of the UK since they would all be affected.
Haha , Cameron mus be swiveling at this latest twist , a vote on Europe must include Scotland,Wales and N Ireland and not left solely to the English, this is going to get interesting . PMQ's on their way as well
I'm missing something here - why would it NOT be a matter for all four countries?
Haha , Cameron mus be swiveling at this latest twist , a vote on Europe must include Scotland,Wales and N Ireland and not left solely to the English, this is going to get interesting . PMQ's on their way as well
I'm missing something here - why would it NOT be a matter for all four countries?
Think an important part of the issue has been missed out of the OP. The view is that not all UK countries should take part (that's a given) but that any exit from the EU should be subject to all of those countries being in the majority (so all four would need to have a majority vote to leave for the result to stand).
Haha , Cameron mus be swiveling at this latest twist , a vote on Europe must include Scotland,Wales and N Ireland and not left solely to the English, this is going to get interesting . PMQ's on their way as well
That's almost as devious as having a referendum where 51.6% voted one way, but the result was ignored because it wasn't 40% of the electorate. Can't imagine that happening in the UK, can you?
Let's just imagine that England, Wales & Northern Ireland vote to leave (more than 50% of each of these 3 vote out), Then Scotland with a population of about 5m where 2.6m (for example) vote to stay in.....that's not Democracy.
Nicola Sturgeon is clearly still bitter over the Independence issue so now she's trying to make a name for herself by going after the 1 Issue she knows she can wind the English up with.
Think an important part of the issue has been missed out of the OP. The view is that not all UK countries should take part (that's a given) but that any exit from the EU should be subject to all of those countries being in the majority (so all four would need to have a majority vote to leave for the result to stand).
That is peverse logic and is a bit like saying England, Wales and NI need to agree to Scotland leaving the UK and should have voted in that referendum.
The UK is currently one country and that country is a member of the EU. Any referendum would include all voters as per a GE and the YES or NO result would be based on how all those voters voted.
Think an important part of the issue has been missed out of the OP. The view is that not all UK countries should take part (that's a given) but that any exit from the EU should be subject to all of those countries being in the majority (so all four would need to have a majority vote to leave for the result to stand).
I can't see how that could be justified. We would be voting for the UK as a whole to leave or stay.
That is peverse logic and is a bit like saying England, Wales and NI need to agree to Scotland leaving the UK and should have voted in that referendum.
The UK is currently one country and that country is a member of the EU. Any referendum would include all voters as per a GE and the YES or NO result would be based on how all those voters voted.
Well, no, its perfectly consistent. Both scenarios are treating the components of the UK as separate countries.
How about the a requirement that a majority of voters in all four UK countries must vote in favour of the UK leaving the EU for the referendum to be valid ?
This would give voters in each of the four UK countries a veto.
How about the a requirement that a majority of voters in all four UK countries must vote in favour of the UK leaving the EU for the referendum to be valid ?
This would give voters in each of the four UK countries a veto.
If Wales, Scotland and NI want to be treated as separate countries they should leave the UK.
Well, that can be decided if the UK votes to leave the EU, but Scotland voted to stay in. We will have another referendum soon after at that time, as its a change in circumstance. Not a problem
How about the a requirement that a majority of voters in all four UK countries must vote in favour of the UK leaving the EU for the referendum to be valid ?
This would give voters in each of the four UK countries a veto.
The Scottish referendum didn't require every region of Scotland to be in favour - it was a simple majority of the whole country. In the case of the EU, the UK is a member as a single political unit just as the whole of Scotland is in the UK.
The Scottish referendum didn't require every region of Scotland to be in favour - it was a simple majority of the whole country. In the case of the EU, the UK is a member as a single political unit just as the whole of Scotland is in the UK.
England telling Scotland what to do again. The old familiar story.
I can't see how that could be justified. We would be voting for the UK as a whole to leave or stay.
I can see how it could...Scotland has always had a separate legal system to the rest of the UK...and since the last referendum has acquired a different legislative structure...which would actually strengthen its claim to being a separate entity in law.
And one which an international court (not a European one) might actually uphold.
Of course this is where all the years of bodging with an unwritten constitution may well come back to bite all politicians in the arse who were happy to bodge when it suited them.
Well, that can be decided if the UK votes to leave the EU, but Scotland voted to stay in. We will have another referendum soon after at that time, as its a change in circumstance. Not a problem
If the UK votes to leave the EU Scotland can have as many referendums as it likes on whether it wishes to then leave the UK.
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Why would we let the Scots or Welsh vote in a referendum?
Seems fair enough to me
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Not sure why this would even be an issue.
I'm missing something here - why would it NOT be a matter for all four countries?
Nothing new here. Why is it a "twist"?
Think an important part of the issue has been missed out of the OP. The view is that not all UK countries should take part (that's a given) but that any exit from the EU should be subject to all of those countries being in the majority (so all four would need to have a majority vote to leave for the result to stand).
That's almost as devious as having a referendum where 51.6% voted one way, but the result was ignored because it wasn't 40% of the electorate. Can't imagine that happening in the UK, can you?
Nicola Sturgeon is clearly still bitter over the Independence issue so now she's trying to make a name for herself by going after the 1 Issue she knows she can wind the English up with.
Whose view? Just what on earth is the bl**dy point of starting a thread without a link to the article under discussion?
That is peverse logic and is a bit like saying England, Wales and NI need to agree to Scotland leaving the UK and should have voted in that referendum.
The UK is currently one country and that country is a member of the EU. Any referendum would include all voters as per a GE and the YES or NO result would be based on how all those voters voted.
I can't see how that could be justified. We would be voting for the UK as a whole to leave or stay.
Well, no, its perfectly consistent. Both scenarios are treating the components of the UK as separate countries.
It's perfect nonsense.
If Wales, Scotland and NI want to be treated as separate countries they should leave the UK.
This would give voters in each of the four UK countries a veto.
Why should they have a veto?
To reduce this risk of Scotland having another independence referendum, if the UK overall votes to leave the EU.
Well, that can be decided if the UK votes to leave the EU, but Scotland voted to stay in. We will have another referendum soon after at that time, as its a change in circumstance. Not a problem
The Scottish referendum didn't require every region of Scotland to be in favour - it was a simple majority of the whole country. In the case of the EU, the UK is a member as a single political unit just as the whole of Scotland is in the UK.
I can see how it could...Scotland has always had a separate legal system to the rest of the UK...and since the last referendum has acquired a different legislative structure...which would actually strengthen its claim to being a separate entity in law.
And one which an international court (not a European one) might actually uphold.
Of course this is where all the years of bodging with an unwritten constitution may well come back to bite all politicians in the arse who were happy to bodge when it suited them.
Who cares if Scotland has ano referendum, polls suggested in the last one most of the English were for them leaving anyway.
That's funny when we spent the last few months waiting for Scotland to decide what the future of the United Kingdom was going to be.
Oh, this one.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29805045
If the UK votes to leave the EU Scotland can have as many referendums as it likes on whether it wishes to then leave the UK.
To be fair, that is a very rare occurrence!