Options

Barbaric attitudes in the UK

Slarti BartfastSlarti Bartfast Posts: 6,607
Forum Member
On Facebook yesterday I read some comments relating to the Anne Maguire murder and also a story about a father torturing his daughter's alleged rapist to death after inviting him round for dinner.

By and large the comments were pretty barbaric, calling for various forms of torture and death to the murderer and alleged rapist, including beheading. It was pretty chilling actually.

While I understand that some people post for effect, lots of the comments came from 'ordinary looking' middle aged people who don't fit the troll stereotype, and of course the vast majority are posting under their real names for all their friends, family and children to see.

It makes me wonder if it is only the law that separates our supposedly civilised society from the more barbaric parts of the world like some areas of the middle east. In other words, if it were not illegal, would the majority of us be part of crowds stoning and hanging people or chopping their hands or heads off? It seems alien to me that people can join ISIS, for example, and be so cruel and brutal, but is that what is under the surface of civilised society?
«1

Comments

  • Options
    duffsdadduffsdad Posts: 11,143
    Forum Member
    ✭✭
    Most people posting these things would never put it in to practice.
  • Options
    darkjedimasterdarkjedimaster Posts: 18,621
    Forum Member
    ✭✭
    duffsdad wrote: »
    Most people posting these things would never put it in to practice.

    This exactly, but if anything I would rather he die in prison from something like old age. Life should mean life.
  • Options
    DianaFireDianaFire Posts: 12,711
    Forum Member
    ✭✭
    Maybe my Facebook is broken, but I never see comments like that. I think a lot of it is simple willy-waving. The story about the father torturing a rapist happened in India or somewhere. Posted for effect and it gets it. It's torture/revenge porn for some.
  • Options
    culturemancultureman Posts: 11,701
    Forum Member
    ✭✭
    On Facebook yesterday I read some comments relating to the Anne Maguire murder and also a story about a father torturing his daughter's alleged rapist to death after inviting him round for dinner.

    By and large the comments were pretty barbaric, calling for various forms of torture and death to the murderer and alleged rapist, including beheading. It was pretty chilling actually.

    While I understand that some people post for effect, lots of the comments came from 'ordinary looking' middle aged people who don't fit the troll stereotype, and of course the vast majority are posting under their real names for all their friends, family and children to see.

    It makes me wonder if it is only the law that separates our supposedly civilised society from the more barbaric parts of the world like some areas of the middle east. In other words, if it were not illegal, would the majority of us be part of crowds stoning and hanging people or chopping their hands or heads off? It seems alien to me that people can join ISIS, for example, and be so cruel and brutal, but is that what is under the surface of civilised society?
    Such nice, ordinary, respectable, middle class people should be prosecuted by the authourities in the same way as Muslim fundamentalists calling for the same thing should be.
  • Options
    abarthmanabarthman Posts: 8,501
    Forum Member
    By and large the comments were pretty barbaric, calling for various forms of torture and death to the murderer and alleged rapist, including beheading. It was pretty chilling actually.
    Probably seemed quite reasonable to the loved ones of those who were raped or killed.
  • Options
    BelfastGuy125BelfastGuy125 Posts: 7,515
    Forum Member
    I have to agree. That kid who killed the teacher is a vile specimen. But he is in prison now with the likelihood of NEVER being released according to the judge. He is 16 and could spend the next 75 years in the same room.

    Yet apparently that isn't good enough with facebook pages set up with normal everyday people who and I quote wanted him "hung drawn and quartered while he was alive and cutting his stomach out in front of him". I do think you are right, these people are closeted nutters who thankfully fear jail enough to stay just about on the right side of the law.
  • Options
    wns_195wns_195 Posts: 13,569
    Forum Member
    ✭✭
    People who make comments like that do so without considering the whole story. They just see "child kills teacher" and a flame of rage rises within them and is expressed through their words.
  • Options
    abarthmanabarthman Posts: 8,501
    Forum Member
    cultureman wrote: »
    Such nice, ordinary, respectable, middle class people should be prosecuted by the authourities in the same way as Muslim fundamentalists calling for the same thing should be.
    Yes, because someone drawing a cartoon of Muhammad or suchlike is every bit as heinous a crime as rape or murder.
  • Options
    Pumping IronPumping Iron Posts: 29,891
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    cultureman wrote: »
    Such nice, ordinary, respectable, middle class people should be prosecuted by the authourities in the same way as Muslim fundamentalists calling for the same thing should be.

    I agree.

    How many Muslims have been prosecuted for preaching hate though?
  • Options
    InkblotInkblot Posts: 26,889
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    I agree.

    How many Muslims have been prosecuted for preaching hate though?

    How many non-Muslims have been prosecuted for preaching hate though?
  • Options
    Slarti BartfastSlarti Bartfast Posts: 6,607
    Forum Member
    duffsdad wrote: »
    Most people posting these things would never put it in to practice.

    Not as things stand, no, but I wonder how they would behave were the circumstances more accommodating.
  • Options
    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 32,379
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    On Facebook yesterday I read some comments relating to the Anne Maguire murder and also a story about a father torturing his daughter's alleged rapist to death after inviting him round for dinner.

    By and large the comments were pretty barbaric, calling for various forms of torture and death to the murderer and alleged rapist, including beheading. It was pretty chilling actually.

    While I understand that some people post for effect, lots of the comments came from 'ordinary looking' middle aged people who don't fit the troll stereotype, and of course the vast majority are posting under their real names for all their friends, family and children to see.

    It makes me wonder if it is only the law that separates our supposedly civilised society from the more barbaric parts of the world like some areas of the middle east. In other words, if it were not illegal, would the majority of us be part of crowds stoning and hanging people or chopping their hands or heads off? It seems alien to me that people can join ISIS, for example, and be so cruel and brutal, but is that what is under the surface of civilised society?

    What has that got to do with the UK. It was in Delhi, India.
  • Options
    James FrederickJames Frederick Posts: 53,184
    Forum Member
    woodbush wrote: »
    What has that got to do with the UK. It was in Delhi, India.
    Even if that was here it's different you may not agree but you could understand a father not in his right state of mind after his daughter was raped trying to kill and hurt the person who did it that is why most places have a temporary insanity defence
  • Options
    Hugh JboobsHugh Jboobs Posts: 15,316
    Forum Member
    ✭✭
    It's not just Facebook OP. It happens here as well. See any thread on DS regarding someone being cruel to an animal and you will find similar revenge porn fantasies.

    "Give me five minutes in a room with him"

    "That sicko wouldn't be able to walk after I'd finished with him" >:(

    etc
  • Options
    sutiesutie Posts: 32,645
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    I don't think for a minute that any of these people would consider carrying out what they threaten. Facebook/Twitter, and the like afford them a temporary vehicle to vent their spleen.
  • Options
    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5,692
    Forum Member
    '[Insert tediously uncreative revenge fantasy here] ...And I will not be able to be held responsible for my actions :)'.

    Uhuh. Sure thing, sweet cheeks.
    It's not just Facebook OP. It happens here as well. See any thread on DS regarding someone being cruel to an animal and you will find similar revenge porn fantasies.

    "Give me five minutes in a room with him"

    "That sicko wouldn't be able to walk after I'd finished with him" >:(


    etc

    Why can't they ever think up anything that doesn't sound like they're going to **** them?
  • Options
    Dr. ClawDr. Claw Posts: 7,375
    Forum Member
    they're all talk, fortunately
  • Options
    Slarti BartfastSlarti Bartfast Posts: 6,607
    Forum Member
    woodbush wrote: »
    What has that got to do with the UK. It was in Delhi, India.

    The event was in India, I'm talking about the reaction from the UK public. What made that particular example stand out for me was that, according to the BBC article I read, the girl had fallen pregnant and told her father she had been raped so it hadn't been proven, it was just a single allegation (I also wondered how likely it was that a rapist would go to dinner with the father of the girl he raped, but the truth will likely never be known now). That it was unproven didn't affect the gleeful responses to the act of torture though. It occurred to me that someone so inclined could commit a murder, concoct a back story like that and be applauded by the public.
  • Options
    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,276
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    On Facebook yesterday I read some comments relating to the Anne Maguire murder and also a story about a father torturing his daughter's alleged rapist to death after inviting him round for dinner.

    By and large the comments were pretty barbaric, calling for various forms of torture and death to the murderer and alleged rapist, including beheading. It was pretty chilling actually.

    While I understand that some people post for effect, lots of the comments came from 'ordinary looking' middle aged people who don't fit the troll stereotype, and of course the vast majority are posting under their real names for all their friends, family and children to see.

    It makes me wonder if it is only the law that separates our supposedly civilised society from the more barbaric parts of the world like some areas of the middle east. In other words, if it were not illegal, would the majority of us be part of crowds stoning and hanging people or chopping their hands or heads off? It seems alien to me that people can join ISIS, for example, and be so cruel and brutal, but is that what is under the surface of civilised society?

    A lot of people on Facebook will likely be using their emotions to type on the keyboard. The typical pitchfork mob.
  • Options
    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 32,379
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Even if that was here it's different you may not agree but you could understand a father not in his right state of mind after his daughter was raped trying to kill and hurt the person who did it that is why most places have a temporary insanity defence

    He planned it so doubt that would cover it.

    I do understand the father but he shouldn't take the law into his own hands.
  • Options
    Slarti BartfastSlarti Bartfast Posts: 6,607
    Forum Member
    It's not just Facebook OP. It happens here as well. See any thread on DS regarding someone being cruel to an animal and you will find similar revenge porn fantasies.

    "Give me five minutes in a room with him"

    "That sicko wouldn't be able to walk after I'd finished with him" >:(

    etc
    What strikes me as strange though is that DS, where FMs have anonymity, is noticeably tamer to what I've seen on Facebook, where people generally post under their own identity.
  • Options
    jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,579
    Forum Member
    abarthman wrote: »
    Probably seemed quite reasonable to the loved ones of those who were raped or killed.

    Not necessarily. Not everyone responds in the same way.
  • Options
    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 32,379
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    The event was in India, I'm talking about the reaction from the UK public. What made that particular example stand out for me was that, according to the BBC article I read, the girl had fallen pregnant and told her father she had been raped so it hadn't been proven, it was just a single allegation (I also wondered how likely it was that a rapist would go to dinner with the father of the girl he raped, but the truth will likely never be known now). That it was unproven didn't affect the gleeful responses to the act of torture though. It occurred to me that someone so inclined could commit a murder, concoct a back story like that and be applauded by the public.

    I have no idea about the reaction in the UK as i've only read the comments section of the DM.
  • Options
    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5,692
    Forum Member
    What strikes me as strange though is that DS, where FMs have anonymity, is noticeably tamer to what I've seen on Facebook, where people generally post under their own identity.

    Digital Spy is moderated whereas Facebook generally isn't.
  • Options
    abarthmanabarthman Posts: 8,501
    Forum Member
    jjwales wrote: »
    Not necessarily. Not everyone responds in the same way.
    Did you notice my cunning use of the word "probably"?

    I used it to show that it was just my opinion rather than a statement of fact.
Sign In or Register to comment.