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EU fails to get accounts signed off again

AndyCopenAndyCopen Posts: 2,213
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EU audit: 7bn euros of budget funds misspent - 4.7% of the total budget

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29916707

" people are frustrated that the auditors have not been able to give the accounts a clean bill of health for 20 years."

Too bloody right, it's time to leave this festering, currupt pile of crud
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    jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,579
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    AndyCopen wrote: »
    EU audit: 7bn euros of budget funds misspent - 4.7% of the total budget

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29916707

    " people are frustrated that the auditors have not been able to give the accounts a clean bill of health for 20 years."

    Too bloody right, it's time to leave this festering, currupt pile of crud

    The thread title is misleading. EU accounts do get signed off every year.

    the EU Budget has not been “rejected” or “refused” by the auditors – its payments have been consistently found subject to significant error for the past 18 years. This is hardly good news, but it isn’t as serious as some headlines imply.

    https://fullfact.org/factchecks/has_eu_budget_rejected_auditors_18_years-28593
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 12,003
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    Before this thread goes any further - can you please explain fails 'again'.
    It's been proved (with links) about 1.7b times in the past few months that the EU accounts have been signed off every year.
    With qualification, but signed off.

    You'd be far better complaining about the past 20 years DHSS/DSS/ES/DWP etc etc figures, which have been refused signing off endlessly for frightening reasons.
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    Nick1966Nick1966 Posts: 15,742
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    You'd be far better complaining about the past 20 years DHSS/DSS/ES/DWP etc etc figures, which have been refused signing off endlessly for frightening reasons.

    Oh yes.
    http://www.standard.co.uk/panewsfeeds/no-auditor-signoff-for-dwp-account-7939332.html

    Can the DWP stop paying money out to people in error ? The other year, they handed out £3.2 billion of taxpayers' money, which they weren't supposed to.
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    MTUK1MTUK1 Posts: 20,077
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    jjwales wrote: »
    The thread title is misleading. EU accounts do get signed off every year.

    the EU Budget has not been “rejected” or “refused” by the auditors – its payments have been consistently found subject to significant error for the past 18 years. This is hardly good news, but it isn’t as serious as some headlines imply.

    https://fullfact.org/factchecks/has_eu_budget_rejected_auditors_18_years-28593

    No they don't.
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    jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,579
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    MTUK1 wrote: »
    No they don't.

    And your evidence for this?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 12,003
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    MTUK1 wrote: »
    No they don't.
    It really is utterly pointless simply negating what people say when the evidence is in the post immediately above the one you made - AND YOU EVEN QUOTED IT!!!

    Really doesn't put you in a light where anyone is going to listen to a word you say.
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    MTUK1MTUK1 Posts: 20,077
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    It really is utterly pointless simply negating what people say when the evidence is in the post immediately above the one you made - AND YOU EVEN QUOTED IT!!!

    Really doesn't put you in a light where anyone is going to listen to a word you say.

    Quit with the vendetta you have against me. It's not going to work. I am still here.
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    Nick1966Nick1966 Posts: 15,742
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    MTUK1 wrote: »
    I am still here.

    Good.

    Then please answer the points raised by the other contributors.
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    MTUK1MTUK1 Posts: 20,077
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    Nick1966 wrote: »
    Good.

    Then please answer the points raised by the other contributors.

    Here we go. Mr Mobile Phone Roaming in the EU is here.
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    AndyCopenAndyCopen Posts: 2,213
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    jjwales wrote: »
    T its payments have been consistently found subject to significant error for the past 18 years.

    So the accounts dont get signed off, it's fraud on an industrial scale
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    AndyCopenAndyCopen Posts: 2,213
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    £411,000 for a dog fitness and rehabilitation centre that was never built
    €5.25m for fleet of limousines for MEPs in Strasbourg
    €16,000 to Tyrolean farmers to boost their emotional connection with the landscape
    €5,000 on a “Europe Horse” to promote the EU to German children
    €900,000 for a golf course, hotel and spa whose guests include Chancellor Merkel
    €7.5m of EU funding for PR campaign for EU funding
    €1.6 million to the Swedish King to cover his financial losses
    €5.1m “culture club” for EU bureaucrats in Luxembourg
    €8.5bn failure to deliver improved infrastructure in Sicily

    This list goes on and on and on and on and on
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    AndyCopenAndyCopen Posts: 2,213
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    Before this thread goes any further - can you please explain fails 'again'.
    It's been proved (with links) about 1.7b times in the past few months that the EU accounts have been signed off every year.
    With qualification, but signed off.

    You'd be far better complaining about the past 20 years DHSS/DSS/ES/DWP etc etc figures, which have been refused signing off endlessly for frightening reasons.

    Someone signed it saying "a lot of money has gone missing"
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    MajlisMajlis Posts: 31,362
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    AndyCopen wrote: »
    €5.25m for fleet of limousines for MEPs in Strasbourg

    WTF type of limos were they? :o

    Hopefully not the ones you get in Vegas with strippers in the back... :confused:
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    AndyCopenAndyCopen Posts: 2,213
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    Majlis wrote: »
    WTF type of limos were they? :o

    Hopefully not the ones you get in Vegas with strippers in the back... :confused:

    he limousine company's website states that its chauffeurs hold the 'Grand Remise' license, which includes a "confidentiality clause guaranteeing absolute discretion" . Estimates show that travelling between and maintaining the European Parliament's two seats in Strasbourg and Brussels already costs European taxpayers €200m and creates an extra 18,884 tonnes of CO2 every year.
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    jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,579
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    AndyCopen wrote: »
    So the accounts dont get signed off, it's fraud on an industrial scale

    Incorrect. The accounts do get signed off, and the fraud isn't on an "industrial scale".
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    AndyCopenAndyCopen Posts: 2,213
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    7bl gone missing thats ok is it ? billions more wasted on vanity projects ? that's ok is it ?
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    mRebelmRebel Posts: 24,882
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    AndyCopen wrote: »
    7bl gone missing thats ok is it ? billions more wasted on vanity projects ? that's ok is it ?

    No wonder they want another 1.7 billion off us!>:(
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    MTUK1MTUK1 Posts: 20,077
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    jjwales wrote: »
    Incorrect. The accounts do get signed off, and the fraud isn't on an "industrial scale".

    Rubbish.
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    JCRJCR Posts: 24,076
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    AndyCopen wrote: »
    €8.5bn failure to deliver improved infrastructure in Sicily

    Heh, did they just hand it to the Cosa Nostra and tell them not to spend it all at once?
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    cessnacessna Posts: 6,747
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    jjwales wrote: »
    Incorrect. The accounts do get signed off, and the fraud isn't on an "industrial scale".

    The pious, so anxious to accept support or quote the 'official line' relating to EU fraud and corruption could find it beneficial to look up the record of former EU commissioner - one Neil Kinnock who in 2004 among other duties was appointed to investigate fraud and corruption in the EU. - Resulting in Kinnock doing all in his power to have gagged and sacked his assistant Marta Andreason who was about to blow the whistle on what she knew regarding EU fraud and corruption.
    Kinnock and family continue to live in luxury today - their life style so far as can be ascertained - mainly funded by the corrupt EU !
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 14,922
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    AndyCopen wrote: »
    £411,000 for a dog fitness and rehabilitation centre that was never built
    €5.25m for fleet of limousines for MEPs in Strasbourg
    €16,000 to Tyrolean farmers to boost their emotional connection with the landscape
    €5,000 on a “Europe Horse” to promote the EU to German children
    €900,000 for a golf course, hotel and spa whose guests include Chancellor Merkel
    €7.5m of EU funding for PR campaign for EU funding
    €1.6 million to the Swedish King to cover his financial losses
    €5.1m “culture club” for EU bureaucrats in Luxembourg
    €8.5bn failure to deliver improved infrastructure in Sicily

    This list goes on and on and on and on and on

    Where did this come from?

    Link?

    Why is the first one in Pounds and the rest in Euros?
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    cessnacessna Posts: 6,747
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    WindWalker wrote: »
    Where did this come from?



    This may help in part -

    Link? http://www.rferl.org/content/european_parliament_traveling_circus/24557376.html
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 14,922
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    cessna wrote: »

    No mention of any of that list on there. :confused:
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    pcawthronpcawthron Posts: 880
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    AndyCopen wrote: »
    7bl gone missing thats ok is it ? billions more wasted on vanity projects ? that's ok is it ?

    The EU budget for 2013 was €150.9 Billion of which €7 Billion (4.7%) are 'errors'. Of this €3.4 Billion was recovered leaving 'errors' of €3.6 Billion (2.4%).

    Of the 28 EU member states I'm sure some will have a rate of error in their budgets greater than 2.4% and some will have a rate of error that is less. But these national budgets are not subject to the type of independent audit that the EU budget is so we will never know.
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    MTUK1MTUK1 Posts: 20,077
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    pcawthron wrote: »
    The EU budget for 2013 was €150.9 Billion of which €7 Billion (4.7%) are 'errors'. Of this €3.4 Billion was recovered leaving 'errors' of €3.6 Billion (2.4%).

    Of the 28 EU member states I'm sure some will have a rate of error in their budgets greater than 2.4% and some will have a rate of error that is less. But these national budgets are not subject to the type of independent audit that the EU budget is so we will never know.

    OK so 3.6bn Euros of errors is satisfactory?
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