Think Reagan-era USA, rolling back the state, cutting welfare and other government services.
Sounds like what Labour, the Tories and Lib Dems are going to do anyway in the next parliament by the bucketload - not that they will tell you in advance of the election.
UKIP aren't libertarian by any stretch of the imagination. They advocate a marginally less regulated market than we already have, but that's about as far as it goes. There isn't a socially liberal bone in their collective body.
UKIP promote negative liberty, a form of liberty where the individual is no mans slave. For me its a right wing paranoids form of liberty - where those that are actually free and privalaged believe they are in bondage not just to institutions but other individuals. In fact it is the freedom and liberty of others to live quite and peaceful lives that offends them most.
True liberty and freedom is to be master of ones own destiny and be free from society to makes ones own decisions - free from racism, sexism and who mummy and daddy are.
dosanjh1 , Our ancestors that fled to the Americas believed exactly that, but quickly realised it was anarchy.
What they realised is they needed enough good people and government to maintain law and order, also protect the country from outside invasion. The the good people where also required to stop the government from becoming out of control. They failed on that point.
The state has become far too big, bureaucratic, inefficient and expensive. As well as that, it interferes far too much in the economic and social liberty of individuals. It needs to be rolled back significantly.
It's just a pity that both modern conservatism and modern liberalism have become vested in maintaining the bloated state.
UKIP are not libertarian nor anywhere near. They are just another modern conservative party looking to preserve the state, albeit different aspects of the state.
The state has become far too big, bureaucratic, inefficient and expensive. As well as that, it interferes far too much in the economic and social liberty of individuals. It needs to be rolled back significantly.
It's just a pity that both modern conservatism and modern liberalism have become vested in maintaining the bloated state.
I think everybody understands the basic idea here but In my view this country could really benefit from some forward thinking liberal policies on drugs, taxation, and law and order.
For example turning drug abuse into a medical and cultural problem rather than a criminal issue. Let professionals into the industry to regulate it, maintain it and keep it clean.
On Law and order, we need to be tackling 'real crime' as opposed to driving offenses and other low level offenses. Yes they are a blight on society but police spend far too much time doing this than policing neighbourhoods affected by the American term 'Broken Windows'.
Tax should not be used a weapon from government can punish it's citizens. No one like paying taxes and not every tax payer gets value for money for the amount they pay.
I think everybody understands the basic idea here but In my view this country could really benefit from some forward thinking liberal policies on drugs, taxation, and law and order.
For example turning drug abuse into a medical and cultural problem rather than a criminal issue. Let professionals into the industry to regulate it, maintain it and keep it clean.
On Law and order, we need to be tackling 'real crime' as opposed to driving offenses and other low level offenses. Yes they are a blight on society but police spend far too much time doing this than policing neighbourhoods affected by the American term 'Broken Windows'.
Tax should not be used a weapon from government can punish it's citizens. No one like paying taxes and not every tax payer gets value for money for the amount they pay.
UKIP's brand of very Right wing politics is not "libertarianism".
True libertarianism is Communism/Anarchism!
Ultra-libertarianism is indeed Anarchism where everyone does what they want but I don't see how that relates to Communism where everyone does what the State wants.
I'm generally in favour of more libertarianism but for it to work it also has to be coupled with personal responsibility. You can only enjoy your own liberties if you respect the liberties of others.
Ultra-libertarianism is indeed Anarchism where everyone does what they want but I don't see how that relates to Communism where everyone does what the State wants.
I'm generally in favour of more libertarianism but for it to work it also has to be coupled with personal responsibility. You can only enjoy your own liberties if you respect the liberties of others.
For goodness sake! Don't you know Communism is a stateless socio-economic formation yet?
For goodness sake! Don't you know Communism is a stateless socio-economic formation yet?
How many times?
You keep saying so but I don't believe it for a second.
How do you enforce this communist ideal without a State to do the enforcing? Otherwise there is nothing to stop anyone setting up a private profit making company.
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UKIP are not Liberalism, its libertarianism.
FREEDOM!:D
What can libertarianism do for the UK.
Improve spelling !
Sounds like what Labour, the Tories and Lib Dems are going to do anyway in the next parliament by the bucketload - not that they will tell you in advance of the election.
I dont konw
Think Ron and Rand Paul.
True liberty and freedom is to be master of ones own destiny and be free from society to makes ones own decisions - free from racism, sexism and who mummy and daddy are.
What they realised is they needed enough good people and government to maintain law and order, also protect the country from outside invasion. The the good people where also required to stop the government from becoming out of control. They failed on that point.
The state has become far too big, bureaucratic, inefficient and expensive. As well as that, it interferes far too much in the economic and social liberty of individuals. It needs to be rolled back significantly.
It's just a pity that both modern conservatism and modern liberalism have become vested in maintaining the bloated state.
UKIP are not libertarian nor anywhere near. They are just another modern conservative party looking to preserve the state, albeit different aspects of the state.
That was not anywhere near libertarianism either
A better example of a libertarian in the US would be Gary Johnson. He was the Libertarian candidate in the presidential election in 2012
Wot he said.
UKIP's brand of very Right wing politics is not "libertarianism".
True libertarianism is Communism/Anarchism!
For example turning drug abuse into a medical and cultural problem rather than a criminal issue. Let professionals into the industry to regulate it, maintain it and keep it clean.
On Law and order, we need to be tackling 'real crime' as opposed to driving offenses and other low level offenses. Yes they are a blight on society but police spend far too much time doing this than policing neighbourhoods affected by the American term 'Broken Windows'.
Tax should not be used a weapon from government can punish it's citizens. No one like paying taxes and not every tax payer gets value for money for the amount they pay.
Individuals coerced into handing over their income is not liberty no matter how beneficial to wider society.
I agree with you on all of this actually.
Ultra-libertarianism is indeed Anarchism where everyone does what they want but I don't see how that relates to Communism where everyone does what the State wants.
I'm generally in favour of more libertarianism but for it to work it also has to be coupled with personal responsibility. You can only enjoy your own liberties if you respect the liberties of others.
That is exactly what libertarians are against.
Privatising serfdom isn't liberty either.
For goodness sake! Don't you know Communism is a stateless socio-economic formation yet?
How many times?
You keep saying so but I don't believe it for a second.
How do you enforce this communist ideal without a State to do the enforcing? Otherwise there is nothing to stop anyone setting up a private profit making company.