I thought it was good. The pacing was much better than the early seasons; I'm glad they resolved Terminus and are moving on. I liked how Gabriel's story turned out to be an anti-climax, and how Rick's group weren't totally stupid. Plus, Michonne gets her sword back.
I also don't get why Maggie and Glenn left.
Mainly because Glenn said they would to avoid a fight between Rick and Abraham. Neither of whom was likely to back down. Also because Abraham has a point. Fixing the virus properly is what matters most. Experience shows that even if the missing people did turn up soon, something else would happen to cause delay. Then, as others have said, they were surprised by how feral Rick has become.
The part that seemed weak to me was Abraham wanting to leave just after Bob was dropped off, in the middle of the night. It seemed obvious they were being watched, and a small group leaving would be ambushed. If it were Abraham and Rosita fighting off 5+ well-armed Termites, they'd be outnumbered. How could they be sure Eugene wouldn't get killed in the cross-fire. Where-as the church seemed defensible and a safe place for the night.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's Morgan.
It wont be Beth, cause they've a story still to tell with her, and it wont be Carol, else they might as well have just shown her. If it's not Morgan, it'll be some new person that we've not met yet.
I have always been under the impression that the upcoming Beth episode is more like a stand a lone. as not in the current time line. So we could see Beth's whole story from being kidnapped. to waking up, to being rescued by Daryl, and that's how the would end this week, the ending of last week where she walks out of the woods with Daryl.
That was my thinking could easily be wrong.
Morgan is a good shout, i would like to know more about Carol wanting to leave though. .
I have no hesitation in saying that was one of the worst episodes of The Walking Dead in 5 season's. I'd even welcome back a bit of farming action over Beth on her own with a bunch of police officers. So many things wrong with it. The fact that I genuinely couldn't care less about Beth (even though they tried to make us last season with the Daryl and Beth episode) and whether she lives or dies at this point I am indifferent about. Especially when they eliminate characters you thought you could like and we get stuck with Beth!
The point where she mentioned she still sings made me cringe. I thought 'God, please don't burst into another dreary song'.
Other aspects that annoyed the hell out of me: it's the apocalypse, there are no policemen or women. They have no authority, they are just parading around in their cleanly pressed uniforms like morons. Even Rick gave up on his badge in about season 2. It just felt completely false and like it was an alternate version of the walking dead. But it can't be because in came Carol at the end. Which was probably the highlight, but even that annoyed me because I thought 'Daryl is losing lots of people on runs lately'. It would have made more sense for Father Gabriel to have snatched her from the road, and that could have been his big dark secret, but no. Now we have to report back on hospital episodes in the future. >:(
It was a poor episode but not because it was Beth centric but because the whole hospital fake police thing was so boring. Were we really supposed to care about them?
We really didn't need another 'Terminus' style gang so soon after the last one.
For the first time ever I found myself wishing for an episode to hurry up and end...?
I don't care at all about Beth, I hated all the new characters we were introduced to, especially that dreadful female police officer.
The only decent thing you can say about it is the escape scenes were quite exciting, only for things to become immediately frustrating again with Beth back with Officer Looney and Doctor Dullard.
I'm gonna assume we're gonna see Daryl, Rick & co show up to wreck yet another fortress, kill everyone and leave?
Right now I'm only really interested to see the DC bound group.
I enjoyed it, actually didn't notice the rest of the gang were MIA until half way through I was waiting for the big reveal to occur - as it happened it wasn't so big or as obvious as Terminus.
Pretty sure Carol is going to go all Rambo, probably after meeting the guy who escaped and given them the heads up, no way she would just let herself be captured after the cannibals.
Other aspects that annoyed the hell out of me: it's the apocalypse, there are no policemen or women. They have no authority, they are just parading around in their cleanly pressed uniforms like morons. Even Rick gave up on his badge in about season 2.
I thought that aspect is part of what made it interesting. They are wearing uniforms partly because it makes them feel better. It reminds them of civilisation and being part of something bigger than themselves. It gives them confidence. It might also help with outsiders. It suggests they are at least trying to hold to a standard of disciplined behaviour. That Rick gave up is not necessarily to his credit.
Arguably Dawn's group is doing better Rick's, or the Governor's, or the Termites. They've held it together for longer, without falling into cannibalism. They have a more secure location. They have medical facilities. If Eugene is correct, then they are right that eventually the zombies will be dealt with by someone else. Civilisation will return and they will be looking pretty good.
They have some flawed characters, including Dawn herself, but I don't think she's as bad as the Governor, say. Mostly I think she's aware of how precarious her situation is. It's incredible that Beth is still tolerated, given that they think killed three of them.
I thought that aspect is part of what made it interesting. They are wearing uniforms partly because it makes them feel better. It reminds them of civilisation and being part of something bigger than themselves. It gives them confidence. It might also help with outsiders. It suggests they are at least trying to hold to a standard of disciplined behaviour. That Rick gave up is not necessarily to his credit.
Arguably Dawn's group is doing better Rick's, or the Governor's, or the Termites. They've held it together for longer, without falling into cannibalism. They have a more secure location. They have medical facilities. If Eugene is correct, then they are right that eventually the zombies will be dealt with by someone else. Civilisation will return and they will be looking pretty good.
They have some flawed characters, including Dawn herself, but I don't think she's as bad as the Governor, say. Mostly I think she's aware of how precarious her situation is. It's incredible that Beth is still tolerated, given that they think killed three of them.
I'd agree with this. I found it quite interesting to see a whole other survival mode happening. It was quite believable in the 'power corrupts' sense. Unfortunately I didn't find the head honcho very credible - she just didn't have an aura of authority for me. As for Beth, god leave her alone everyone! There are far worse actors - Tyreese for example.
Mostly I think she's aware of how precarious her situation is. It's incredible that Beth is still tolerated, given that they think killed three of them.
Do they think Beth killed three of them? They see Trevitt's death as an accident (1), and she admitted to killing Gorman (2). But I think it's understood that Joan committed suicide by opening her sutures.
When Beth and Dawn have their confrontation at the end of the episode, Dawn looks like she's ready to kill Beth. But then Beth says: "He attacked me. Just like he attacked Joan. Just like you let him. You know what's happening here and you let it happen. You're letting it happen." Dawn's eyes show a little doubt, and suddenly she feels like she's on the defensive and needs to explain herself. She still needs to punish her though, just like she needed to punish Noah.
Given that Gorman was becoming a threat to Dawn's position as leader, she probably doesn't mind as much as she should. And the doubt shows that she hasn't completely lost her moral compass, only suppressed it.
So they think she intentionally killed one person, and that was in self-defence.
I'd agree with this. I found it quite interesting to see a whole other survival mode happening. It was quite believable in the 'power corrupts' sense. Unfortunately I didn't find the head honcho very credible - she just didn't have an aura of authority for me. As for Beth, god leave her alone everyone! There are far worse actors - Tyreese for example.
I agree with that. Such a huge thing was made of Tyreese before he came in - but my what a disappointment. They killed off T-Dog to make way for this?????
I agree with that. Such a huge thing was made of Tyreese before he came in - but my what a disappointment. They killed off T-Dog to make way for this?????
I think he was hyped because of the comics. He is a completely different character in it. Completely. Not some babysitting, won't kill anyone, cuddly softy. Then again, the show also destroyed Andrea, Glenn to some extent and Maggie definitely. The only improvement character-wise has been Carol. Why they're trying to build up a dull as dishwater character like Beth I'll never know. I would rather have kept some of the inmates at the prison than Beth. Come back Diesel, all's forgiven!
Do they think Beth killed three of them? They see Trevitt's death as an accident (1), and she admitted to killing Gorman (2). But I think it's understood that Joan committed suicide by opening her sutures.
Well, it hadn't been clear to me what we knew versus what Dawn knew. Beth had left Gorman and Joan in the office, both dead, with Joan already turned and Gorman possibly turning, and then send Dawn to the office which was putting her in danger too. So it would have looked pretty bad. You've convinced me that Dawn did believe Beth's explanation.
Then again, the show also destroyed Andrea, Glenn to some extent and Maggie definitely.
The show has had several show-runners. The current one is the best we've had, and I wouldn't blame him for previous mistakes. We now have multiple black characters and the women are being written better.
I loved the latest episode, especially after the last two shaky episodes. It felt like the symbolism they were using regarding Carol and the fires was very poignant. To see her character struggle to come to terms with who she has had to become and also forgetting a little bit of who she is. Relating to what she is going through is Daryl, as he's been through and is going through the same transformation.
It does feel a bit deja vu though. The group are having to fight another group and go to war again? Didn't we already just have two wars with the governor and another mini war with the cannibals? After everything the group has just been through and escaped, are we really expecting them all to risk their lives for Beth? Who's only real talent is boring everyone to sleep with her campfire tunes. I just hope they get in and out of the hospital quickly, as if it's going to develop into another war over the duration of the season, I'm out.
They're being very liberal with the structure this series, back and forth, flashbacks. All very ethereal. The episodes still seem to fly by but not much actually happens.
I enjoyed this weeks much better then the last 2, Carole has come such a long way since this outbreak started. I thin this episode just showed how much she has changed and she knows she has forgotten who she once was. I hope Carole makes it out alive next week cause to see her go now will be sad.
I think the group going to save Beth is risky for everyone so i think we will lose some people next week.
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Mainly because Glenn said they would to avoid a fight between Rick and Abraham. Neither of whom was likely to back down. Also because Abraham has a point. Fixing the virus properly is what matters most. Experience shows that even if the missing people did turn up soon, something else would happen to cause delay. Then, as others have said, they were surprised by how feral Rick has become.
The part that seemed weak to me was Abraham wanting to leave just after Bob was dropped off, in the middle of the night. It seemed obvious they were being watched, and a small group leaving would be ambushed. If it were Abraham and Rosita fighting off 5+ well-armed Termites, they'd be outnumbered. How could they be sure Eugene wouldn't get killed in the cross-fire. Where-as the church seemed defensible and a safe place for the night.
I have always been under the impression that the upcoming Beth episode is more like a stand a lone. as not in the current time line. So we could see Beth's whole story from being kidnapped. to waking up, to being rescued by Daryl, and that's how the would end this week, the ending of last week where she walks out of the woods with Daryl.
That was my thinking could easily be wrong.
Morgan is a good shout, i would like to know more about Carol wanting to leave though. .
The point where she mentioned she still sings made me cringe. I thought 'God, please don't burst into another dreary song'.
Other aspects that annoyed the hell out of me: it's the apocalypse, there are no policemen or women. They have no authority, they are just parading around in their cleanly pressed uniforms like morons. Even Rick gave up on his badge in about season 2. It just felt completely false and like it was an alternate version of the walking dead. But it can't be because in came Carol at the end. Which was probably the highlight, but even that annoyed me because I thought 'Daryl is losing lots of people on runs lately'. It would have made more sense for Father Gabriel to have snatched her from the road, and that could have been his big dark secret, but no. Now we have to report back on hospital episodes in the future. >:(
Just mind numbingly boring right the way through.
We really didn't need another 'Terminus' style gang so soon after the last one.
Beth deserved a better story than this one.
I don't care at all about Beth, I hated all the new characters we were introduced to, especially that dreadful female police officer.
The only decent thing you can say about it is the escape scenes were quite exciting, only for things to become immediately frustrating again with Beth back with Officer Looney and Doctor Dullard.
I'm gonna assume we're gonna see Daryl, Rick & co show up to wreck yet another fortress, kill everyone and leave?
Right now I'm only really interested to see the DC bound group.
No way was that a filler episode. Lots happened!
Pretty sure Carol is going to go all Rambo, probably after meeting the guy who escaped and given them the heads up, no way she would just let herself be captured after the cannibals.
Arguably Dawn's group is doing better Rick's, or the Governor's, or the Termites. They've held it together for longer, without falling into cannibalism. They have a more secure location. They have medical facilities. If Eugene is correct, then they are right that eventually the zombies will be dealt with by someone else. Civilisation will return and they will be looking pretty good.
They have some flawed characters, including Dawn herself, but I don't think she's as bad as the Governor, say. Mostly I think she's aware of how precarious her situation is. It's incredible that Beth is still tolerated, given that they think killed three of them.
Do they think Beth killed three of them? They see Trevitt's death as an accident (1), and she admitted to killing Gorman (2). But I think it's understood that Joan committed suicide by opening her sutures.
When Beth and Dawn have their confrontation at the end of the episode, Dawn looks like she's ready to kill Beth. But then Beth says: "He attacked me. Just like he attacked Joan. Just like you let him. You know what's happening here and you let it happen. You're letting it happen." Dawn's eyes show a little doubt, and suddenly she feels like she's on the defensive and needs to explain herself. She still needs to punish her though, just like she needed to punish Noah.
Given that Gorman was becoming a threat to Dawn's position as leader, she probably doesn't mind as much as she should. And the doubt shows that she hasn't completely lost her moral compass, only suppressed it.
So they think she intentionally killed one person, and that was in self-defence.
She's a control freak and also in denial, but she's a good character with potential I think.
I agree with that. Such a huge thing was made of Tyreese before he came in - but my what a disappointment. They killed off T-Dog to make way for this?????
I think he was hyped because of the comics. He is a completely different character in it. Completely. Not some babysitting, won't kill anyone, cuddly softy. Then again, the show also destroyed Andrea, Glenn to some extent and Maggie definitely. The only improvement character-wise has been Carol. Why they're trying to build up a dull as dishwater character like Beth I'll never know. I would rather have kept some of the inmates at the prison than Beth. Come back Diesel, all's forgiven!
The show has had several show-runners. The current one is the best we've had, and I wouldn't blame him for previous mistakes. We now have multiple black characters and the women are being written better.
Dawn reminded me of Christopher Eccleston's part in 28 Days Later where he is trying to keep his officers happy by providing women for them.
Also loved the Michael Jackson reference on the roof when the Doctor said to Beth 'it was close to midnight' when the chaos started.
No, there are still 3 left.
It does feel a bit deja vu though. The group are having to fight another group and go to war again? Didn't we already just have two wars with the governor and another mini war with the cannibals? After everything the group has just been through and escaped, are we really expecting them all to risk their lives for Beth? Who's only real talent is boring everyone to sleep with her campfire tunes. I just hope they get in and out of the hospital quickly, as if it's going to develop into another war over the duration of the season, I'm out.
I think the group going to save Beth is risky for everyone so i think we will lose some people next week.
The escape by tumbling car was a bit of a stretch. Especially as it landed right way up.