So they`ve stopped admiring womens beauty (Otherwise known as sexism) on TV adverts.. Now they just have adverts portraying men as useless house pets that don`t know where the headache tablets are..
They`ve not stopped sexism.. they`ve just swapped roles.
So they`ve stopped admiring womens beauty (Otherwise known as sexism) on TV adverts.. Now they just have adverts portraying men as useless house pets that don`t know where the headache tablets are..
They`ve not stopped sexism.. they`ve just swapped roles.
Feminism was hijacked early on by misandrists - Gloria Steinem and her cohort.
Re Wendy Craig in Butterflies saying she wanted to be "RAPED!" and how that shocked?
I saw facebook traffic where a portrait shot was liked hundreds of thousands of times - of a male porn actor with a very aggressive sexual method from what I gather. Typical comments read - from women - "he can rape me any time".
It would appear that female sexuality at its fullest extent is can be MUCh darker than male - a lot of it appears to be backward-rationalised. Think of the number of times "going for the rebel" has been immortalised in song etc. The retconning tendency has been described in mens-rights circles as the "Rationalisation Hamster".
Well I'm talking in the context of 1970s TV shows but we'll digress a little to discuss fashion. Ironically it's got nothing to do with male sexist attitudes, in fact quite the opposite. Fashion designers don't want catwalk shows to be like beauty pageants. They're there to sell clothes, not the women wearing them. So they have systematically desexualised women (no curves, flat chests etc.) so that models are largely anonymous so that people notice the clothes and not the people wearing them. Fashion models are basically just walking coat hangers. They're not expected to think or talk but just to walk up and down with fixed, blank expressions. The clothes are the main attraction.
You can bet your bottom dollar that if straight men were in charge of fashion then models would look like glamour models with big boobs and bums
But fashion models do get noticed in spite of their anonymity - they are, after all, real people with real thoughts and feelings and sadly that means that young women in particular have been fooled into thinking that the "model" look is aspirational and fashion designers have done absolutely nothing to disabuse them of that notion - why should they? They need a steady supply of new meat so if girls want to be models then it's all grist for the mill.
well I know , that's my point - this isn't something that can be blamed on straight men .
but the thing is this issue has been around since the 70's and the industry is always claiming it's changing and it never does , and the designers and all these women that support this image just carry on .
Shock horror, there's higher rates of prejudice amongst the 50+ range.[/QUOTE]
Nobody's sad, and there's no need to be sorry. You made a statement and another poster and me were questioning that statement, nobody was arguing or trying to be right. The only one on their high horse about it seemed to be you.
Thanks for bothering to come up with some statistics.
Anyone else twig that the 16 year old bikini-clad Denise being 'interviewed' by Terry Wogan near the beginning of this weeks show was the same Denise Gyngell who used to be 1980s pop group 'Tight Fit' and later married THE Pete Waterman ?
Quite ironic that whilst most people were probably cringing at Wogan's 'big girl' 1978 beauty contest comment, it was only his repetition of her name, Denise Gyngell, that the penny dropped that she actually did go on to become a very big girl just a few years later in 1982, as one third of Tight Fit, having one of the biggest selling british singles of all time with The Lion Sleeps Tonight !
Anyone else twig that the 16 year old bikini-clad Denise being 'interviewed' by Terry Wogan near the beginning of this weeks show was the same Denise Gyngell who used to be 1980s pop group 'Tight Fit' and later married THE Pete Waterman ?
Yep! ;-)
It was news to me that Waterman was wed to a girl from Tight Fit when I read the posts 5 days ago.
Wait till the racism is dealt with in the next edition this weekend. This 70's retrospective will be in its element then.
Wait till the racism is dealt with in the next edition this weekend. This 70's retrospective will be in its element then.
My dad was a big fan of showtunes and always insisted we watched "The Black and White Minstrels" (Only one telly in the house back in the '70s kids!:o)
I couldn't stand it, but I've a feeling I'll probably be a bit misty eyed nostalgic seeing clips now.
I haven't watched last week's programme but from reading through this thread it looks like it was everything I expected it to be.
Get a load of "talking heads" who weren't even born at the time to comment on "shocking" clips taken out of context to fit an agenda.
I was a teenager in the mid-70s and what everyone forgets it is was a time of pushing boundaries, of course some went too far but how do you know what is too far without pushing in the first place?
But then what about the likes of I Claudius, Bouquet of Barbed Wire, The Sweeney, Dad's Army, Upstairs Downstairs, etc. Classics that are still repeated today. How much of today's television will still be repeated in 40 years time?
I think what got to me the most the most was the atrocious bad/over acting of the heads, most of whom were just dots in the television world. And one or two of whom were even pro actors.
I can just a see a Sylvia Young figure demanding of them "C'mon, we need to finish this now, give me your worst shock!"
Quite ironic that whilst most people were probably cringing at Wogan's 'big girl' 1978 beauty contest comment, it was only his repetition of her name, Denise Gyngell, that the penny dropped that she actually did go on to become a very big girl just a few years later in 1982, as one third of Tight Fit, having one of the biggest selling british singles of all time with The Lion Sleeps Tonight !
Not that I'm suggesting anything at all, was she related to Bruce Gyngell, Mr TV-am?
My dad was a big fan of showtunes and always insisted we watched "The Black and White Minstrels" (Only one telly in the house back in the '70s kids!:o)
I couldn't stand it, but I've a feeling I'll probably be a bit misty eyed nostalgic seeing clips now.
As a child of the 50's and teenager through the 60's, i go back further than that......we had no telly! So to have even one television was a luxury (expensive too) and i remember as a kid watching a neighbour having a TV aerial put up. It was quite 'an event'!
I bought my first television when i got married in 1971 and it cost £80 new. A months wage for me at the time.
They talked to those who had been in the Force during the 60's to 80's and times when we still had Police Constables and Women Police Constables.....the gender difference being instantly identifiable to those not 'into' political correctness!
They told how on applying for the job simply consisted of being told to bend over, asked if you were gay.....and that was it!
One woman spoke about 'the initiation' ceremony when a PC had qualified. Women of course still wore skirts and stockings then. They had their skirt lifted, panties pulled down and arse cheek rubber stamped!
Today of course they'd be up on charges of "sexual assault".
I must admit i was surprised to learn that Police didn't start using tape recorders for interviews until 1985!
Before that they were still using pencil and notepad!
Comments
2:43:13 to 2:43:29
on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgSogQEz_Xo
The "Top of the Form" reference.
They`ve not stopped sexism.. they`ve just swapped roles.
I find it eminently sad that you want to be proved right that Britain is a prejudiced society.
Well sorry, here's racism and homophobia boxed off;
http://www.natcen.ac.uk/media/338779/selfreported-racial-prejudice-datafinal.pdf
http://www.bsa-data.natcen.ac.uk/?_ga=1.92753118.2740878.1416464201
Shock horror, there's higher rates of prejudice amongst the 50+ range.
Re Wendy Craig in Butterflies saying she wanted to be "RAPED!" and how that shocked?
I saw facebook traffic where a portrait shot was liked hundreds of thousands of times - of a male porn actor with a very aggressive sexual method from what I gather. Typical comments read - from women - "he can rape me any time".
It would appear that female sexuality at its fullest extent is can be MUCh darker than male - a lot of it appears to be backward-rationalised. Think of the number of times "going for the rebel" has been immortalised in song etc. The retconning tendency has been described in mens-rights circles as the "Rationalisation Hamster".
Men have one too..
well I know , that's my point - this isn't something that can be blamed on straight men .
but the thing is this issue has been around since the 70's and the industry is always claiming it's changing and it never does , and the designers and all these women that support this image just carry on .
.
Well sorry, here's racism and homophobia boxed off;
http://www.natcen.ac.uk/media/338779/selfreported-racial-prejudice-datafinal.pdf
http://www.bsa-data.natcen.ac.uk/?_ga=1.92753118.2740878.1416464201
Shock horror, there's higher rates of prejudice amongst the 50+ range.[/QUOTE]
Nobody's sad, and there's no need to be sorry. You made a statement and another poster and me were questioning that statement, nobody was arguing or trying to be right. The only one on their high horse about it seemed to be you.
Thanks for bothering to come up with some statistics.
Yep! ;-)
It was news to me that Waterman was wed to a girl from Tight Fit when I read the posts 5 days ago.
Wait till the racism is dealt with in the next edition this weekend. This 70's retrospective will be in its element then.
My dad was a big fan of showtunes and always insisted we watched "The Black and White Minstrels" (Only one telly in the house back in the '70s kids!:o)
I couldn't stand it, but I've a feeling I'll probably be a bit misty eyed nostalgic seeing clips now.
Get a load of "talking heads" who weren't even born at the time to comment on "shocking" clips taken out of context to fit an agenda.
I was a teenager in the mid-70s and what everyone forgets it is was a time of pushing boundaries, of course some went too far but how do you know what is too far without pushing in the first place?
But then what about the likes of I Claudius, Bouquet of Barbed Wire, The Sweeney, Dad's Army, Upstairs Downstairs, etc. Classics that are still repeated today. How much of today's television will still be repeated in 40 years time?
I can just a see a Sylvia Young figure demanding of them "C'mon, we need to finish this now, give me your worst shock!"
Not that I'm suggesting anything at all, was she related to Bruce Gyngell, Mr TV-am?
I bought my first television when i got married in 1971 and it cost £80 new. A months wage for me at the time.
A quick Google turned up he had five children, two of which were girls....Briony and Skye.
Denise Gyngell was born in Rhondda to Welsh parents.
They talked to those who had been in the Force during the 60's to 80's and times when we still had Police Constables and Women Police Constables.....the gender difference being instantly identifiable to those not 'into' political correctness!
They told how on applying for the job simply consisted of being told to bend over, asked if you were gay.....and that was it!
One woman spoke about 'the initiation' ceremony when a PC had qualified. Women of course still wore skirts and stockings then. They had their skirt lifted, panties pulled down and arse cheek rubber stamped!
Today of course they'd be up on charges of "sexual assault".
I must admit i was surprised to learn that Police didn't start using tape recorders for interviews until 1985!
Before that they were still using pencil and notepad!
A worthwhile watch.
No wonder they were slimmer in those days