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Is rioting ever justified?

PorkchopExpressPorkchopExpress Posts: 5,534
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Or at least understandable?

I find it hard to condemn completely given the current situation in the US. If the police are allowed to commit racist murders with impunity, what options do people have?

I hear today that the killer cop has said he has no regrets whatsoever.
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    HenryGartenHenryGarten Posts: 24,800
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    PorkchopExpress wrote: »

    I find it hard to condemn completely given the current situation in the US. If the police are allowed to commit racist murders with impunity, what options do people have?

    What murder was that?
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    Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    I'd say yes. Rioting probably is justified in certain circumstances. Most likely as a precursor to revolution in an undemocratic country.

    I wouldn't say any of that applies in the case of a criminal getting shot though.
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    PorkchopExpressPorkchopExpress Posts: 5,534
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    HenryGarten wrote: »
    What murder was that?

    The one where the cop shot the unarmed man 6 times, finishing with a head shot.
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    HenryGartenHenryGarten Posts: 24,800
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    PorkchopExpress wrote: »
    The one where the cop shot the unarmed man 6 times, finishing with a head shot.

    Well as you know he has not been charged so no murder has been committed.
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    PorkchopExpressPorkchopExpress Posts: 5,534
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    HenryGarten wrote: »
    Well as you know he has not been charged so no murder has been committed.

    So? I consider it murder.
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    idlewildeidlewilde Posts: 8,698
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    Yes. If the new Star Wars movie turns out to be as bad as The Phantom Menace, I expect nothing less.
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    HenryGartenHenryGarten Posts: 24,800
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    PorkchopExpress wrote: »
    So? I consider it murder.

    Well the Grand Jury did not so that is rather more important.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,170
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    What happened to demonstrations and protest marches.
    The rioting in London scared the poop out of me.
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    spanna5spanna5 Posts: 392
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    If people are unhappy at the police, why burn down somebody else's shop or loot

    Seems you would be targeting the wrong people




    I don't know enough of the facts of the case to judge if shooting was appropriate, but the jury that heard the facts didn't think it was worth bringing charges .... still I'm sure the mob mentality knows better
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    pie-eyedpie-eyed Posts: 8,456
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    No it's not. Smashing up other peoples property and stealing is wrong in every circumstance. All those rioters wrecking the places where they themselves live is ridiculous. It's just smashing up your own place and then expecting someone else to fix it.
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    PorkchopExpressPorkchopExpress Posts: 5,534
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    HenryGarten wrote: »
    Well the Grand Jury did not so that is rather more important.

    Make your point.
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    muggins14muggins14 Posts: 61,844
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    By definition the term riot includes violence 'a violent disturbance of the peace' so no, I don't ever think that violence is called for.

    I am all for peaceful protest of any kind, and the right to do so.
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    James FrederickJames Frederick Posts: 53,184
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    I think it depends and can take time to look back for example the riots for black rights in the US in the 50's and 60's at the time it would have been a bad thing to live though but looking back it was probably worth it .

    In other countries now if someone is oppressed and rioting is the only way to get your voice heard then it's worth it say for example counties where it's illegal to be gay and you can be arrested - beaten or out to death for it
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    starry_runestarry_rune Posts: 9,006
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    http://conservativetribune.com/police-black-crime/
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,279
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    No, I don't think riots are ever justified, especially if it means destroying people's businesses. Those rioting, like in the case of those in America which the first poster has mentioned, they're probably expressing their anger over a (maybe?) unjustified killing.
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    muggins14muggins14 Posts: 61,844
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    zx50 wrote: »
    No, I don't think riots are ever justified, especially if it means destroying people's businesses. Those rioting, like in the case of those in America which the first poster has mentioned, they're probably expressing their anger over a (maybe?) unjustified killing.
    They could peacefully protest about it, as rioting by definition includes violence (to property or person) ... which I've always thought dilutes the argument rather than anything else.
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,279
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    muggins14 wrote: »
    They could peacefully protest about it, as rioting by definition includes violence (to property or person) ... which I've always thought dilutes the argument rather than anything else.

    Or a lot stronger than that.
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,279
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    starry_rune wrote: »
    http://conservativetribune.com/police-black-crime/

    He says the reason he was on his phone during a press conference is because he was reading updates about a case. Well, he could have waited until it was over to start reading them.
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    muggins14muggins14 Posts: 61,844
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    zx50 wrote: »
    Or a lot stronger than that.
    You mean riot :p

    What's between peaceful protest (non-violent) and riot?
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    gasheadgashead Posts: 13,822
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    PorkchopExpress wrote: »
    Or at least understandable?

    I find it hard to condemn completely given the current situation in the US. If the police are allowed to commit racist murders with impunity, what options do people have?

    I hear today that the killer cop has said he has no regrets whatsoever.
    Do you mean generally speaking, or would you include Ferguson in the riots you don't completely condemn?
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,279
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    muggins14 wrote: »
    You mean riot :p

    What's between peaceful protest (non-violent) and riot?

    An aggressive protest where people's passions are showing. I call a peaceful protest where a load of people are just shouting the reason for their protest and that's that.
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    What name??What name?? Posts: 26,623
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    If you mean has anything positive ever come out of riotiing then yes. The Watts riots were a turning point in the civil rights movement for example and the Soweto uprising was also pivotal.

    Both the Brixton riots and last years highlighted issues if racial profiling, discrimination and distrust between the police and minority communities. There were efforts at change after both.

    At times the threat and reality of violence can enforce change especially if it effects business. Business likes stability and any known for championing social justice changes - unless it affects their bottom line.

    I bet a lot of business in Ferguson were really really really hoping for a trial....
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    RadiomaniacRadiomaniac Posts: 43,510
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    No.

    I'd agree with an old fashioned peaceful demo, but that barely happens any more.
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    HenryGarten wrote: »
    Well as you know he has not been charged so no murder has been committed.
    The best you can actually accurately say is 'a murder may have been committed, but no murder has been proved'.
    zx50 wrote: »
    No, I don't think riots are ever justified
    Can you really be that definitive?
    What if government suppression was so harsh that the public was being killed out of hand and no legal recourse was available?
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    What name??What name?? Posts: 26,623
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    Radiomaniac wrote: »
    No.

    I'd agree with an old fashioned peaceful demo, but that barely happens any more.

    There's were peaceful protestations throughout the US after the latest shootings asking for justice. Did it make any difference?
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