Maybe young people are getting a little fed up with no loyalty from employers - Such as endless agency work, zero hours contracts and the fact that many of these jobs are dead end min wage rather than proper apprenticeships with young people being employed directly by the employer.
Maybe those young people should stop voting for the Greens, Labour or Lib Dhimmis and realise that an endless supply of immigrant labour has rendered them and their worthless degrees entirely redundant. Literally and metaphorically.
Maybe those young people should stop voting for the Greens, Labour or Lib Dhimmis and realise that an endless supply of immigrant labour has rendered them and their worthless degrees entirely redundant. Literally and metaphorically.
And you really believe that UKIP or the tories are going to change anything, thats a laugh.
And you really believe that UKIP or the tories are going to change anything, thats a laugh.
I don't know. I know that the immigration debate we are having now should have happened in 1968. It will probably turn out that was the last chance the British had to save themselves from a gentle genocide.
To be fair, it's sort of a stigma and bad reputation of the British young people; along with drinking too much, only thinking of having fun and lack seriousness.
Yet, per head of population the Pollish drink more than the British.
You cannot praise freedom of movement and employment within the EU and then in the same breath ask that companies that operate in the EU only hire from a specific member state. That would be anti-european.
And while we are looking at the EU. The UK has F'all power to stop the likes of Amazon, Google, Apple et al from operating tax reduction strategies while the EU controls taxation policy. They may agree to make a token contribution, but as long as EU tax policy stands as it does, the UK is powerless to stop them using EU law to minimise their liability.
If you want to recoup the tax that these multinationals owe, then you have to tackle the tax policy at the EU level, not UK level.
There is not a single UK political party that can do a sodding thing about that, unless they are willing to challenge Europe.
The thing is, the Poles soon get fed up of these exploitative jobs and rightfully want something better. So another bus load gets shipped in.
The fact they've got through 7000 workers speaks volumes.
I know Polish folk who refuse to do these types of jobs, having done them in the past. They now see them for what they are and want something better. The one girl I know is desperate for something with stability, something permanent.
The thing is, the Poles soon get fed up of these exploitative jobs and rightfully want something better. So another bus load gets shipped in.
The fact they've got through 7000 workers speaks volumes.
I know Polish folk who refuse to do these types of jobs, having done them in the past. They now see them for what they are and want something better. The one girl I know is desperate for something with stability, something permanent.
You seem to know a lot of Poles, and Bulgarians, and seasonal workers, and zero hour contract people etc Jol.
I'm starting to think you are making this up as you go along.
All the main parties support freedom of movement of a workforce, especially the Tories, those to the right. To blame Europe is nonsense really when it's very much the core economic ideology of parties like the Tories.
Cheap labour, driving down wages, crushing workers rights, is exactly what they want, it's at the core of their economic philosophy. If they don't come from Europe, they'll be shipped in from somewhere else. In Europe or out of Europe, cheap labour will still be being shipped in.
All the main parties support freedom of movement of a workforce, especially the Tories. To blame Europe is nonsense really when it's very much the core economic ideology of parties like the Tories.
Cheap labour, driving down wages, workers rights, is exactly what they want, it's at the core of their economic philosophy.
If it is the core philosphy why is the stated aims of the Tory party to reduce that, while the core phliosophy of the labour party is absolute freedom of movement
The fact they've got through 7000 workers speaks volumes.
Speaks to the fact that it's seasonal work with several hundred being recruited per year and the Polish agent simply multiplying that in his head by the number of years he's been doing it. 7000 is not a number Next have acknowledged
I know Polish folk who refuse to do these types of jobs, having done them in the past. They now see them for what they are and want something better.
Well yes obviously. Not sure what your point is? So some people would rather not do temp work - short of cancelling Christmas or closing all the stores I can't see the work disappearing and there'll always be some people who are unemployed who will want the work.
All the main parties support freedom of movement of a workforce, especially the Tories, those to the right. To blame Europe is nonsense really when it's very much the core economic ideology of parties like the Tories.
Cheap labour, driving down wages, crushing workers rights, is exactly what they want, it's at the core of their economic philosophy. If they don't come from Europe, they'll be shipped in from somewhere else. In Europe or out of Europe, cheap labour will still be being shipped in.
I thought Socialists didn't believe in national boundaries and that people should be able to live and work wherever they want
Speaking in general, a lot of these type of jobs also have a trial period where no wage is paid.
I know people who have done them, only to be told after working for nothing, 12 hour shifts, they're told they are not going to be taken on. Then someone else comes in on trial...
Festive limited are known for doing 2 weeks trials like this. They dont have permanent contracts they only take on temporary short term, and if a worker is coming upto the point where a employer can't fire you for any reason, he gets let go and then sometimes rehired.
They don't pay the workers in those two weeks, as they recruit from the Job Centre, the government give the workers JSA for those two weeks. And even if you have worked there before you still have to do the trial.
So what happened with my boyfriend was the Job Centre said 'you must do this' he's worked there before he knows what it's like, it's an awful inept company. He was taken on the usual 2 week trial but he wasn't paid minimum wage, because it's a trial the government continued paying JSA £57.53 (it's every two weeks). So he did three weeks of 105 hours in total for £57.53 as third week pay (not on JSA but on the companies payroll) doesn't get paid until the 4th week. So that's four weeks on £57.53.
A lot of the time though the company just keeps recruiting on 2 week trials. Most workers never last longer than 2 weeks so they don't have to pay them.
I thought Socialists didn't believe in national boundaries and that people should be able to live and work wherever they want
If people can just live and work were they want to it will affect the richer countries too much.and it will also affect the poor countries as they could end up with a shortage of workers which would damage there countries .
Festive limited are known for doing 2 weeks trials like this. They dont have permanent contracts they only take on temporary short term, and if a worker is coming upto the point where a employer can't fire you for any reason, he gets let go and then sometimes rehired.
They don't pay the workers in those two weeks, as they recruit from the Job Centre, the government give the workers JSA for those two weeks. And even if you have worked there before you still have to do the trial.
So what happened with my boyfriend was the Job Centre said 'you must do this' he's worked there before he knows what it's like, it's an awful inept company. He was taken on the usual 2 week trial but he wasn't paid minimum wage, because it's a trial the government continued paying JSA £57.53 (it's every two weeks). So he did three weeks of 105 hours in total for £57.53 as third week pay (not on JSA but on the companies payroll) doesn't get paid until the 4th week. So that's four weeks on £57.53.
A lot of the time though the company just keeps recruiting on 2 week trials. Most workers never last longer than 2 weeks so they don't have to pay them.
Speaks to the fact that it's seasonal work with several hundred being recruited per year and the Polish agent simply multiplying that in his head by the number of years he's been doing it. 7000 is not a number Next have acknowledged
Well yes obviously. Not sure what your point is? So some people would rather not do temp work - short of cancelling Christmas or closing all the stores I can't see the work disappearing and there'll always be some people who are unemployed who will want the work.
I agree. Seasonal work has been going on for years and there are thousands who want to do it. Why deprive them?
if this was the other way around a polish company advertising in britain for workers before advertising poland , the polish people would not be happy would they .
Maybe those young people should stop voting for the Greens, Labour or Lib Dhimmis and realise that an endless supply of immigrant labour has rendered them and their worthless degrees entirely redundant. Literally and metaphorically.
Festive limited are known for doing 2 weeks trials like this. They dont have permanent contracts they only take on temporary short term, and if a worker is coming upto the point where a employer can't fire you for any reason, he gets let go and then sometimes rehired.
They don't pay the workers in those two weeks, as they recruit from the Job Centre, the government give the workers JSA for those two weeks. And even if you have worked there before you still have to do the trial.
So what happened with my boyfriend was the Job Centre said 'you must do this' he's worked there before he knows what it's like, it's an awful inept company. He was taken on the usual 2 week trial but he wasn't paid minimum wage, because it's a trial the government continued paying JSA £57.53 (it's every two weeks). So he did three weeks of 105 hours in total for £57.53 as third week pay (not on JSA but on the companies payroll) doesn't get paid until the 4th week. So that's four weeks on £57.53.
A lot of the time though the company just keeps recruiting on 2 week trials. Most workers never last longer than 2 weeks so they don't have to pay them.
Exactly and why officially the jobless totals keep falling because people like your boyfriend are not registered as unemployed when he is working for his JSA.
It's all very jolly for the retired on here or those with comfortable jobs to pontificate about other people being happy with their min wage seasonal zero hours contract jobs.
Some people on these boards seem happy with the concept and use of slave labour in this country.....
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Maybe those young people should stop voting for the Greens, Labour or Lib Dhimmis and realise that an endless supply of immigrant labour has rendered them and their worthless degrees entirely redundant. Literally and metaphorically.
And you really believe that UKIP or the tories are going to change anything, thats a laugh.
Does your hatred of the tories/UKIP over ride any concerns for the indigenous unemployed of this country?
Its a laugh to think that anyone would believe that the tories or ukip are going to change a thing.
I don't know. I know that the immigration debate we are having now should have happened in 1968. It will probably turn out that was the last chance the British had to save themselves from a gentle genocide.
I guess it does then.
Yet, per head of population the Pollish drink more than the British.
Yet here they are, working away.
And while we are looking at the EU. The UK has F'all power to stop the likes of Amazon, Google, Apple et al from operating tax reduction strategies while the EU controls taxation policy. They may agree to make a token contribution, but as long as EU tax policy stands as it does, the UK is powerless to stop them using EU law to minimise their liability.
If you want to recoup the tax that these multinationals owe, then you have to tackle the tax policy at the EU level, not UK level.
There is not a single UK political party that can do a sodding thing about that, unless they are willing to challenge Europe.
The fact they've got through 7000 workers speaks volumes.
I know Polish folk who refuse to do these types of jobs, having done them in the past. They now see them for what they are and want something better. The one girl I know is desperate for something with stability, something permanent.
You seem to know a lot of Poles, and Bulgarians, and seasonal workers, and zero hour contract people etc Jol.
I'm starting to think you are making this up as you go along.
Cheap labour, driving down wages, crushing workers rights, is exactly what they want, it's at the core of their economic philosophy. If they don't come from Europe, they'll be shipped in from somewhere else. In Europe or out of Europe, cheap labour will still be being shipped in.
If it is the core philosphy why is the stated aims of the Tory party to reduce that, while the core phliosophy of the labour party is absolute freedom of movement
I don't know any Bulgarians,
To be honest, I don't know why I bothered responding to you either.
because you thought you could get a cheap anti-tory dig in.
I'm now challenging your core belief, if total freedom of movement, which is at the heart of labour policy is so enticing, why are you complaining?
Speaks to the fact that it's seasonal work with several hundred being recruited per year and the Polish agent simply multiplying that in his head by the number of years he's been doing it. 7000 is not a number Next have acknowledged
Well yes obviously. Not sure what your point is? So some people would rather not do temp work - short of cancelling Christmas or closing all the stores I can't see the work disappearing and there'll always be some people who are unemployed who will want the work.
I thought Socialists didn't believe in national boundaries and that people should be able to live and work wherever they want
Festive limited are known for doing 2 weeks trials like this. They dont have permanent contracts they only take on temporary short term, and if a worker is coming upto the point where a employer can't fire you for any reason, he gets let go and then sometimes rehired.
They don't pay the workers in those two weeks, as they recruit from the Job Centre, the government give the workers JSA for those two weeks. And even if you have worked there before you still have to do the trial.
So what happened with my boyfriend was the Job Centre said 'you must do this' he's worked there before he knows what it's like, it's an awful inept company. He was taken on the usual 2 week trial but he wasn't paid minimum wage, because it's a trial the government continued paying JSA £57.53 (it's every two weeks). So he did three weeks of 105 hours in total for £57.53 as third week pay (not on JSA but on the companies payroll) doesn't get paid until the 4th week. So that's four weeks on £57.53.
A lot of the time though the company just keeps recruiting on 2 week trials. Most workers never last longer than 2 weeks so they don't have to pay them.
If people can just live and work were they want to it will affect the richer countries too much.and it will also affect the poor countries as they could end up with a shortage of workers which would damage there countries .
that is like slave labour and should be outlawed.
I totally agree
I agree. Seasonal work has been going on for years and there are thousands who want to do it. Why deprive them?
So who should they vote for then?
Exactly and why officially the jobless totals keep falling because people like your boyfriend are not registered as unemployed when he is working for his JSA.
It's all very jolly for the retired on here or those with comfortable jobs to pontificate about other people being happy with their min wage seasonal zero hours contract jobs.
Some people on these boards seem happy with the concept and use of slave labour in this country.....