That is completely unjustified on your part. Retired Metropolitan Police officers have come forward (whose earlier investigations were blocked) and they have effectively supported the broad thrust of the victims' claims.
One thing is quite clear though. A minority of MPs (along with many others) of all the major parties was getting away with abusing children and so therefore I don't approve of a politically partisan approach to this matter. I'd just want to see all these paedophiles, irrespective of political affiliation, be investigated and charged as appropriate.
I thought we had moved on from "No...that is impossible. It is inconceivable that these things happened"
Operation Midland is not investigating Shape Shifting Lizards (AFAIK). They are investigating Child Abuse. And the possibility that in some cases the abuse ended with the death of children.
After carefully listening to Norman Tebbitt's comments, my reading was that he was pretty much admitting that the first part did occur. What was your reading?
I confess to being amazed to hear Theresa May say "Allegations that have emerged so far are only the tip of the iceberg."
we might never get the truth, but the days of the westminster paedophile ring,elm guest house and dolphin square etc,being made up stories by a bunce of conspiracy nutters are long gone.
And any tory voters need not worry,all three main parties plus others are up to their neck in it.
Because the establishment could never cover up child abuse could it?
Exactly how short is your memory?
The amount of trust which is placed in the establishment despite them collectively doing more bad than good time and time and time and time again is deeply disturbing, I can't figure it out. Brainwashing?
"Live lunchtime tomorrow: ITV News due to have our editor, MarkWatts, on the latest on ‘Operation Midland’, allegations of child sex abuse and murder."
I sincerely hope some of the people involved in facilitating this paedophile ring do come forward as one of the victims Nick requests. I'm talking about the drivers and the various staff at the locations where these boys were taken to be abused and worse. Understandably, I suspect they might be fearful of doing so, especially given the status of some of the individuals alleged to be involved.
The possibility that some of these unfortunate young boys may have been purposely murdered is just too shocking for words. Parents all over the country must now be wondering if their missing child that never returned home or was never heard from again had become one of the alleged victims of this whole disgraceful business.
That is completely unjustified on your part. Retired Metropolitan Police officers have come forward (whose earlier investigations were blocked) and they have effectively supported the broad thrust of the victims' claims.
One thing is quite clear though. A minority of MPs (along with many others) of all the major parties was getting away with abusing children and so therefore I don't approve of a politically partisan approach to this matter. I'd just want to see all these paedophiles, irrespective of political affiliation, be investigated and charged as appropriate.
Could not agree more, as it stands no one has even been arrested let alone charged or tried and found guilty, and I don't think pointing the finger one political party or another is very helpful either.
personally I don't give a damn which party any of those who may eventually be found guilty belongs to,
All I care about is that there is a thorough investigation and that if evidence is found that charges are bought no matter WHO they be against or which political party they happen to belong to.
and that there is some sort of 'justice' for the important people in all this, and they are the victims and their families.
Some things are just way too important for party politics and cheap point scoring to play any part in them, and hope this doesn't end up descending into a "typical Tories, or Typical Lefties" row.
There's an election on its way and it is so easy to start a rumour like this, based on almost nothing. So far we have nothing but unsubstantiated allegations. No names, no physical evidence.
There's an election on its way and it is so easy to start a rumour like this, based on almost nothing. So far we have nothing but unsubstantiated allegations. No names, no physical evidence.
Are the alleged murderer who was a sitting Tory MP at the time at which he allegedly strangled a boy and the former Tory cabinet minister who was present when another boy was murdered still alive? If they are, we only have to draw up a list of every man who was a Tory MP at the time and who is still alive.
All the alleged victims that I know of from following this story are boys, though it's possible that girls were also victims.
Peter Morrison and Cyril Smith raped boys. I find it hard to believe that a married man would have a sexual interest in boys unless he is bisexual. If he is homosexual, he'd hardly be able to have a sexual relationship with a woman. Therefore, a homosexual man who is a paedophile sexually abuses boys and heterosexual man who is a paedophile sexually abuses girls.
Could not agree more, as it stands no one has even been arrested let alone charged or tried and found guilty, and I don't think pointing the finger one political party or another is very helpful either.
personally I don't give a damn which party any of those who may eventually be found guilty belongs to,
All I care about is that there is a thorough investigation and that if evidence is found that charges are bought no matter WHO they be against or which political party they happen to belong to.
and that there is some sort of 'justice' for the important people in all this, and they are the victims and their families.
Some things are just way too important for party politics and cheap point scoring to play any part in them, and hope this doesn't end up descending into a "typical Tories, or Typical Lefties" row.
It will, and the biggest surprise of all will be if you're not amongst them.
All the alleged victims that I know of from following this story are boys, though it's possible that girls were also victims.
Peter Morrison and Cyril Smith raped boys. I find it hard to believe that a married man would have a sexual interest in boys unless he is bisexual. If he is homosexual, he'd hardly be able to have a sexual relationship with a woman. Therefore, a homosexual man who is a paedophile sexually abuses boys and heterosexual man who is a paedophile sexually abuses girls.
Not the case. Paedophilia, as a paraphilia, is independent from orientation.
I don't believe so, it has been a while since I did any forensic psych but I seem to recall that it is independent of adult desires.
'Forensic psych' would of course have the answer. If we can get hold of an expert to explain it all to the dumb witted the problem will be more or less resolved.
Like they did with the problems endemic in the BBC, Rotherham, and elsewhere.
Its taken years to simply acknowledge such problems exist, never mind analyse them by 'forensic psych'.
It will, and the biggest surprise of all will be if you're not amongst them.
Not even slightly amusing, I don't generally make assumptions about someone's guilt or innocence, until after they have been tried and found guilty, and certainly believe that this is WAY above party politics and cheap point scoring and snide digs,
Such a pity others don't.
I sincerely hope some of the people involved in facilitating this paedophile ring do come forward as one of the victims Nick requests. I'm talking about the drivers and the various staff at the locations where these boys were taken to be abused and worse. Understandably, I suspect they might be fearful of doing so, especially given the status of some of the individuals alleged to be involved.
The possibility that some of these unfortunate young boys may have been purposely murdered is just too shocking for words. Parents all over the country must now be wondering if their missing child that never returned home or was never heard from again had become one of the alleged victims of this whole disgraceful business.
Could not agree more, as it stands no one has even been arrested let alone charged or tried and found guilty, and I don't think pointing the finger one political party or another is very helpful either.
personally I don't give a damn which party any of those who may eventually be found guilty belongs to,
All I care about is that there is a thorough investigation and that if evidence is found that charges are bought no matter WHO they be against or which political party they happen to belong to.
and that there is some sort of 'justice' for the important people in all this, and they are the victims and their families.
Some things are just way too important for party politics and cheap point scoring to play any part in them, and hope this doesn't end up descending into a "typical Tories, or Typical Lefties" row.
All the news bulletins and the two main domestic news channels have covered this announcement by the Metropolitan Police this evening. Now that it's been highlighted this way, I hope that it means that more victims and other witnesses come forward now with their testimonies.
This level of publicity also now pretty much ensures that there cannot be yet another cover up this time round. Interestingly, the Sky News report stated that the Metropolitan Police were expecting to make actual arrests in the New Year. I really hope so because what I've read over this past couple of months has been truly horrific.
Police are also investigating allegations that abuse took place at other premises across London and the Home Counties, including some military bases.
Detective Superintendent Kenny McDonald, the lead officer for the operation, said: "I appeal to men who were subjected to abuse 30 years ago to come forward.
"We are also investigating the murder of three young boys - we are determined to find answers." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11301225/Westminster-paedophile-ring-Police-investigate-murders-of-three-boys.html
Not even slightly amusing, I don't generally make assumptions about someone's guilt or innocence, until after they have been tried and found guilty, and certainly believe that this is WAY above party politics and cheap point scoring and snide digs,
Such a pity others don't.
Thats alright. We'll see. This topic has some way to go yet.
All the news bulletins and the two main domestic news channels have covered this announcement by the Metropolitan Police this evening. Now that it's been highlighted this way, I hope that it means that more victims and other witnesses come forward now with their testimonies.
This level of publicity also now pretty much ensures that there cannot be yet another cover up this time round. Interestingly, the Sky News report stated that the Metropolitan Police were expecting to make actual arrests in the New Year. I really hope so because what I've read over this past couple of months has been truly horrific.
Police are also investigating allegations that abuse took place at other premises across London and the Home Counties, including some military bases.
Detective Superintendent Kenny McDonald, the lead officer for the operation, said: "I appeal to men who were subjected to abuse 30 years ago to come forward.
"We are also investigating the murder of three young boys - we are determined to find answers." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11301225/Westminster-paedophile-ring-Police-investigate-murders-of-three-boys.html
It's a bad idea to broadcast the fact that arrests will take place because of the risk that the alleged perpetrators will flee the country.
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That is completely unjustified on your part. Retired Metropolitan Police officers have come forward (whose earlier investigations were blocked) and they have effectively supported the broad thrust of the victims' claims.
One thing is quite clear though. A minority of MPs (along with many others) of all the major parties was getting away with abusing children and so therefore I don't approve of a politically partisan approach to this matter. I'd just want to see all these paedophiles, irrespective of political affiliation, be investigated and charged as appropriate.
I am a bit surprised at your position.
I thought we had moved on from "No...that is impossible. It is inconceivable that these things happened"
Operation Midland is not investigating Shape Shifting Lizards (AFAIK). They are investigating Child Abuse. And the possibility that in some cases the abuse ended with the death of children.
After carefully listening to Norman Tebbitt's comments, my reading was that he was pretty much admitting that the first part did occur. What was your reading?
I confess to being amazed to hear Theresa May say "Allegations that have emerged so far are only the tip of the iceberg."
And any tory voters need not worry,all three main parties plus others are up to their neck in it.
Because the establishment could never cover up child abuse could it?
Exactly how short is your memory?
The amount of trust which is placed in the establishment despite them collectively doing more bad than good time and time and time and time again is deeply disturbing, I can't figure it out. Brainwashing?
"Live lunchtime tomorrow: ITV News due to have our editor, MarkWatts, on the latest on ‘Operation Midland’, allegations of child sex abuse and murder."
Also linked to in that FB post....
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/solihull-actor-ben-fellows-charged-8296809
which relates to a certain allegation he made regarding a certain politician.....
Police investigating 3 murders including one at a military base
The possibility that some of these unfortunate young boys may have been purposely murdered is just too shocking for words. Parents all over the country must now be wondering if their missing child that never returned home or was never heard from again had become one of the alleged victims of this whole disgraceful business.
Could not agree more, as it stands no one has even been arrested let alone charged or tried and found guilty, and I don't think pointing the finger one political party or another is very helpful either.
personally I don't give a damn which party any of those who may eventually be found guilty belongs to,
All I care about is that there is a thorough investigation and that if evidence is found that charges are bought no matter WHO they be against or which political party they happen to belong to.
and that there is some sort of 'justice' for the important people in all this, and they are the victims and their families.
Some things are just way too important for party politics and cheap point scoring to play any part in them, and hope this doesn't end up descending into a "typical Tories, or Typical Lefties" row.
If you don't look, you don't find evidence.
Peter Morrison and Cyril Smith raped boys. I find it hard to believe that a married man would have a sexual interest in boys unless he is bisexual. If he is homosexual, he'd hardly be able to have a sexual relationship with a woman. Therefore, a homosexual man who is a paedophile sexually abuses boys and heterosexual man who is a paedophile sexually abuses girls.
It will, and the biggest surprise of all will be if you're not amongst them.
Not the case. Paedophilia, as a paraphilia, is independent from orientation.
Is it the case that a heterosexual man who is a padeophile sees similarities between a little boy's body and a woman's body?
I don't believe so, it has been a while since I did any forensic psych but I seem to recall that it is independent of adult desires.
'Forensic psych' would of course have the answer. If we can get hold of an expert to explain it all to the dumb witted the problem will be more or less resolved.
Like they did with the problems endemic in the BBC, Rotherham, and elsewhere.
Its taken years to simply acknowledge such problems exist, never mind analyse them by 'forensic psych'.
Not even slightly amusing, I don't generally make assumptions about someone's guilt or innocence, until after they have been tried and found guilty, and certainly believe that this is WAY above party politics and cheap point scoring and snide digs,
Such a pity others don't.
I appreciate the explanation.
All the news bulletins and the two main domestic news channels have covered this announcement by the Metropolitan Police this evening. Now that it's been highlighted this way, I hope that it means that more victims and other witnesses come forward now with their testimonies.
This level of publicity also now pretty much ensures that there cannot be yet another cover up this time round. Interestingly, the Sky News report stated that the Metropolitan Police were expecting to make actual arrests in the New Year. I really hope so because what I've read over this past couple of months has been truly horrific.
Police are also investigating allegations that abuse took place at other premises across London and the Home Counties, including some military bases.
Detective Superintendent Kenny McDonald, the lead officer for the operation, said: "I appeal to men who were subjected to abuse 30 years ago to come forward.
"We are also investigating the murder of three young boys - we are determined to find answers."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11301225/Westminster-paedophile-ring-Police-investigate-murders-of-three-boys.html
Thats alright. We'll see. This topic has some way to go yet.
It's a bad idea to broadcast the fact that arrests will take place because of the risk that the alleged perpetrators will flee the country.
It will be interesting to se if any prominent people move abroad in the new year
Indeed.