Craig said some very positive things about Strictly just being the beginning for Simon. I wonder what he has in mind but no, I don't think Simon was robbed. Caroline and Pasha were worthy winners last night as Simon and Kristina would have been.
Huzzah. Caroline won. Not everyone is actually bothered about the "journey". Why, exactly, does everyone have to begin from the very bottom? I don't understand that. Is it in the name of the show? Is it written somewhere? I might be wrong, but this is a celebrity dance show in which non-pro celebrities learn to dance routines with pro's and perform on television. I'm not actually interested in seeing mediocre dancers winning just because they sucked at the beginning.
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This is exactly how I feel about Strictly. The glitterball could have gone to Caroline or Frankie. - Simon just didn't come anywhere close to them in dancing ability imo. Have they had any previous training? Who gives a crap.
If they have it won't have been to professional dancer standard.
I like to watch great dancing on Strictly and for anyone but the best dancer to win would be a travesty - as it was last year and several other year's besides.
The little backwards skippy bit at the beginning ( 0.04 ) is just so funny I can't take the rest of it seriously. It reminds me of a Bruce Forsyth move.
This is from the Blackpool show but it was even funnier in last night's final.
Anyway, apart from that, I just thought it was very stiff.
The final move, where he turns Kristina upside down, is a thing of beauty though.
So Simon was robbed was he.
Last time I checked robbery was a crime.
Call the Police then.
Ridiculous piffle.
It's TV show for crying out loud.
I thought Frankie should have won but you don't see me bleating that she was robbed.
Grow up.
I don't think Simon was robbed because the public vote went to Caroline, and that's what it's all about.
But I do think Simon deserved to win. They all put in great performances, but there was one difference - the girls were being led and Simon had to do the leading, which he did brilliantly. That fact alone put him on a different footing to the girls.
Hopefully Craig is right and this is just the beginning for him. He came such a long way in learning to dance from a low beginning and he developed into a likeable person more and more as the series went on. He came over as a bit arrogant in the beginning, but I reckon that was because he was out of his comfort zone and worried he might show himself up. But he didn't and turned into a great dancer.
I don't think Simon was robbed because the public vote went to Caroline, and that's what it's all about.
But I do think Simon deserved to win. They all put in great performances, but there was one difference - the girls were being led and Simon had to do the leading, which he did brilliantly. That fact alone put him on a different footing to the girls.
Hopefully Craig is right and this is just the beginning for him. He came such a long way in learning to dance from a low beginning and he developed into a likeable person more and more as the series went on. He came over as a bit arrogant in the beginning, but I reckon that was because he was out of his comfort zone and worried he might show himself up. But he didn't and turned into a great dancer.
I respect your opinion, but if this is the criteria for choosing a winner what is the point in there being any female celebrities in the competition? And are the girls less profficient because they are being led? You are implying that every male celebrity, no matter their skill level, must ultimately be better than amy female celeb simply because they lead. Surely that can't be right?
I respect your opinion, but if this is the criteria for choosing a winner what is the point in there being any female celebrities in the competition? And are the girls less profficient because they are being led? You are implying that every male celebrity, no matter their skill level, must ultimately be better than amy female celeb simply because they lead. Surely that can't be right?
There is no criteria for choosing the winner, we are told to vote for our favourite. That does not always mean the best dancer, so you choose who you like for whatever reason and vote for them.
Janet is absolutely right in her post. All the finalists were fab, but Simon as the male celeb had to acquire a different and far more difficult skillset.
I respect your opinion, but if this is the criteria for choosing a winner what is the point in there being any female celebrities in the competition? And are the girls less profficient because they are being led? You are implying that every male celebrity, no matter their skill level, must ultimately be better than amy female celeb simply because they lead. Surely that can't be right?
It always reminds me of the famous Ginger Rogers quote - that she did everything Fred did only backwards and in high heels!
Kristina mentioned several times that Simon was unique (for her) in that he DID lead. The females otherwise have to dance backwards without being lead so that must make it more difficult.
I loved Simons progression through the series - he more than anyone (including Mark) had that journey this year. I would have LOVED to have seen him win but he didn't and I don't think it's fair on him to start the 'he was robbed' complaint because he wasn't. It was down to the public vote and whilst it got him into the final - which after being in the bottom two three times is no mean feat - Caroline had the most votes. That's it really.
There have been a lot of outstanding dances this year - my favourites have been from Pixie, Frankie, Caroline and Simon with Simons Argentine Tango being the best dance of the series.
I respect your opinion, but if this is the criteria for choosing a winner what is the point in there being any female celebrities in the competition? And are the girls less profficient because they are being led? You are implying that every male celebrity, no matter their skill level, must ultimately be better than amy female celeb simply because they lead. Surely that can't be right?
I'm not saying that at all. You can't have three winners - someone has to win so in the absence of any other way of doing it then that's the only thing I can think of which makes a difference. He was equally as good as Caroline who was equally as good as Frankie. Otherwise in the absence of anything else can only come down to popularity. All three were equal in my opinion and the ONLY way to differentiate is that Simon had to lead, while the girls were led.
I'm not saying that at all. You can't have three winners - someone has to win so in the absence of any other way of doing it then that's the only thing I can think of which makes a difference. He was equally as good as Caroline who was equally as good as Frankie. Otherwise in the absence of anything else can only come down to popularity. All three were equal in my opinion and the ONLY way to differentiate is that Simon had to lead, while the girls were led.
I'm not knocking you. I voted for Simon because of his AT but I was quite happy for any of the others to win. I didn't think of it in terms of leading, just that his AT had that wow factor and, if I'm honest, it was more to do with Kristina than anything and she wasn't leading.
I adored watching Simon and Kristina, and as our phone bill will prove, I voted with flames on my fingers for him and really hoped he'd win, for both him and Kristina.
BUT all 3 of the finalists danced beautifully and Caroline won and I'm happy for her. What I take away from this, is that Simon is clearly happier and must feel like a new man and very proud of himself. His AT will always be my favourite dance and his relationship with Kristina, was electric. He wasn't robbed, he's still amazing to me. Well done to all of them for giving us some beautiful performances and congratulations to Caroline and Pasha.
I'm not saying that at all. You can't have three winners - someone has to win so in the absence of any other way of doing it then that's the only thing I can think of which makes a difference. He was equally as good as Caroline who was equally as good as Frankie. Otherwise in the absence of anything else can only come down to popularity. All three were equal in my opinion and the ONLY way to differentiate is that Simon had to lead, while the girls were led.
Simon was very skilful in leading and even I (dancing dimwit ) noticed how beautiful his feet were but I think it's also very skilful (and scary) for the lady celebs being twirled and lifted and flung all over the place (not very eloquent I know ). So for me at least it kind of balances out.
I respect your opinion, but if this is the criteria for choosing a winner what is the point in there being any female celebrities in the competition? And are the girls less profficient because they are being led? You are implying that every male celebrity, no matter their skill level, must ultimately be better than amy female celeb simply because they lead. Surely that can't be right?
It really is so! In my experience it takes new leads around 2 years to get to where a new follow is in 3 months.
I adored watching Simon and Kristina, and as our phone bill will prove, I voted with flames on my fingers for him and really hoped he'd win, for both him and Kristina.
BUT all 3 of the finalists danced beautifully and Caroline won and I'm happy for her. What I take away from this, is that Simon is clearly happier and must feel like a new man and very proud of himself. His AT will always be my favourite dance and his relationship with Kristina, was electric. He wasn't robbed, he's still amazing to me. Well done to all of them for giving us some beautiful performances and congratulations to Caroline and Pasha.
I would have been surprised if he had won.....not because of his colour, but because he was in the bottom 3 times and wasn't favourite to win at any point.
It always reminds me of the famous Ginger Rogers quote - that she did everything Fred did only backwards and in high heels!
Kristina mentioned several times that Simon was unique (for her) in that he DID lead. The females otherwise have to dance backwards without being lead so that must make it more difficult.
I loved Simons progression through the series - he more than anyone (including Mark) had that journey this year. I would have LOVED to have seen him win but he didn't and I don't think it's fair on him to start the 'he was robbed' complaint because he wasn't. It was down to the public vote and whilst it got him into the final - which after being in the bottom two three times is no mean feat - Caroline had the most votes. That's it really.
There have been a lot of outstanding dances this year - my favourites have been from Pixie, Frankie, Caroline and Simon with Simons Argentine Tango being the best dance of the series.
I've never really liked Ginger Rogers, so just goes to show its not about dancing ability - its who you warm to and feel you cannot take your eyes off. I didn't like watching Simon either. And I am getting sick of this if you go to stage school you have dance training. For people that complain do you know how many years of blood, sweat and tears and dedication it takes to be a first class dancer, particularly ballet dancers. A few years at a stage school does not give you that kind of training - it just points you in the direction of it.
How about next year anyone that starts moaning we just don't answer.
I can't understand the argument. Although I would agree that Caroline was overmarked and some of her flaws were overlooked, she was a great dancer. If she had been rubbish and simon much better, I'd maybe agree, but you can't argue that Caroline did very well and produced some brilliant dances.
Any of the final 3 would have been worthy winners.
I've never really liked Ginger Rogers, so just goes to show its not about dancing ability - its who you warm to and feel you cannot take your eyes off. I didn't like watching Simon either. And I am getting sick of this if you go to stage school you have dance training. For people that complain do you know how many years of blood, sweat and tears and dedication it takes to be a first class dancer, particularly ballet dancers. A few years at a stage school does not give you that kind of training - it just points you in the direction of it.
How about next year anyone that starts moaning we just don't answer.
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This is exactly how I feel about Strictly. The glitterball could have gone to Caroline or Frankie. - Simon just didn't come anywhere close to them in dancing ability imo. Have they had any previous training? Who gives a crap.
If they have it won't have been to professional dancer standard.
I like to watch great dancing on Strictly and for anyone but the best dancer to win would be a travesty - as it was last year and several other year's besides.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KASm3hQ9_Y
The little backwards skippy bit at the beginning ( 0.04 ) is just so funny I can't take the rest of it seriously. It reminds me of a Bruce Forsyth move.
This is from the Blackpool show but it was even funnier in last night's final.
Anyway, apart from that, I just thought it was very stiff.
The final move, where he turns Kristina upside down, is a thing of beauty though.
Last time I checked robbery was a crime.
Call the Police then.
Ridiculous piffle.
It's TV show for crying out loud.
I thought Frankie should have won but you don't see me bleating that she was robbed.
Grow up.
But I do think Simon deserved to win. They all put in great performances, but there was one difference - the girls were being led and Simon had to do the leading, which he did brilliantly. That fact alone put him on a different footing to the girls.
Hopefully Craig is right and this is just the beginning for him. He came such a long way in learning to dance from a low beginning and he developed into a likeable person more and more as the series went on. He came over as a bit arrogant in the beginning, but I reckon that was because he was out of his comfort zone and worried he might show himself up. But he didn't and turned into a great dancer.
I respect your opinion, but if this is the criteria for choosing a winner what is the point in there being any female celebrities in the competition? And are the girls less profficient because they are being led? You are implying that every male celebrity, no matter their skill level, must ultimately be better than amy female celeb simply because they lead. Surely that can't be right?
The person who gained the most votes won. No-one was robbed.
There, it isn't really that difficult a concept to grasp, is it?
There is no criteria for choosing the winner, we are told to vote for our favourite. That does not always mean the best dancer, so you choose who you like for whatever reason and vote for them.
Janet is absolutely right in her post. All the finalists were fab, but Simon as the male celeb had to acquire a different and far more difficult skillset.
It always reminds me of the famous Ginger Rogers quote - that she did everything Fred did only backwards and in high heels!
Kristina mentioned several times that Simon was unique (for her) in that he DID lead. The females otherwise have to dance backwards without being lead so that must make it more difficult.
I loved Simons progression through the series - he more than anyone (including Mark) had that journey this year. I would have LOVED to have seen him win but he didn't and I don't think it's fair on him to start the 'he was robbed' complaint because he wasn't. It was down to the public vote and whilst it got him into the final - which after being in the bottom two three times is no mean feat - Caroline had the most votes. That's it really.
There have been a lot of outstanding dances this year - my favourites have been from Pixie, Frankie, Caroline and Simon with Simons Argentine Tango being the best dance of the series.
I'm not knocking you. I voted for Simon because of his AT but I was quite happy for any of the others to win. I didn't think of it in terms of leading, just that his AT had that wow factor and, if I'm honest, it was more to do with Kristina than anything and she wasn't leading.
BUT all 3 of the finalists danced beautifully and Caroline won and I'm happy for her. What I take away from this, is that Simon is clearly happier and must feel like a new man and very proud of himself. His AT will always be my favourite dance and his relationship with Kristina, was electric. He wasn't robbed, he's still amazing to me. Well done to all of them for giving us some beautiful performances and congratulations to Caroline and Pasha.
Simon was very skilful in leading and even I (dancing dimwit
It really is so! In my experience it takes new leads around 2 years to get to where a new follow is in 3 months.
I love a "total bollox" statement.. .
He didn't need to win to prove his skills and attitudes.
Fabulous post.
Thanxx.
I would have been surprised if he had won.....not because of his colour, but because he was in the bottom 3 times and wasn't favourite to win at any point.
You mean Flackers is white?!!! Really?!!! Well, I never. Must admit, I never noticed. Too busy enjoyng the dancing.
I've never really liked Ginger Rogers, so just goes to show its not about dancing ability - its who you warm to and feel you cannot take your eyes off. I didn't like watching Simon either. And I am getting sick of this if you go to stage school you have dance training. For people that complain do you know how many years of blood, sweat and tears and dedication it takes to be a first class dancer, particularly ballet dancers. A few years at a stage school does not give you that kind of training - it just points you in the direction of it.
How about next year anyone that starts moaning we just don't answer.
Any of the final 3 would have been worthy winners.
Me neither. Preferred Cyd Charisse.