I hope England (and the rest of the UK if it Sunday trading laws apply there too) keep it the way it is. Seems mad to me that in this climate of spend, spend, spend and must have and must have now culture it hasn't been changed, but I like the idea of having that special day in the week that's unlike every other day and is more family orientated.
Tesco, ASDA and Sainsburys all have branches in Edinburgh which are fully 24/7 - they never close. Though I think they have to renew their licence each yherar and the drink aisles are closed off during the night.
The law doesn't apply in Scotland, and if IIRC it never has, although someone may correct me on that. This is about England (I think it applies in Wales too).
But there's no good reason for having the law in the first place. All it restricts is how long customers can purchase from stores. It doesn't restrict how long staff have to work and indeed they do work when the store is closed, stocking shelves cleaning etc. The law isn't to give staff some rest, it only exists because of pressure from Christian groups who have a bee in their bonnet about Sundays.
I think you will find the trade unions also actually oppose extended hours, and that isn't to do with religion that is about the staff.
But there's no good reason for having the law in the first place. All it restricts is how long customers can purchase from stores. It doesn't restrict how long staff have to work and indeed they do work when the store is closed, stocking shelves cleaning etc. The law isn't to give staff some rest, it only exists because of pressure from Christian groups who have a bee in their bonnet about Sundays.
You are forgetting USDAW the UK's fourth largest Union who are the biggest opponents of extending Sunday hours. Christian groups are a much smaller opponent and many of those oppose it for reasons non religious people can agree with as well, time for rest and family time etc .
I think you will find the trade unions also actually oppose extended hours, and that isn't to do with religion that is about the staff.
Exactly. What about a day for family? In germany they have no Sunday or 24 opening as far as I can gather from German friends. They manage, just like we used to.
Personally I would rather the Government make it so that Retail Parks & Supermarkets would have to close on Sunday.....bring people back to the high street by letting those retailers open when they want and lift parking restrictions for Sunday's.
What about a day for the family to most people Sunday is just another day even if they are home the kids are locked in their rooms on their game consoles or chatting with friends on Facebook.
Others are just doing their own thing watching TV or whatever.
I haven't done anything different today than I would have it if had being any other day of the week.
But many of the staff still work even when it's closed, so I don't know why they oppose it.
They don't mind workers having a choice to work on Sunday, they are worried that they will be forced to work on Sunday if they don't want too, and trust me in retail they will.
Personally I would rather the Government make it so that Retail Parks & Supermarkets would have to close on Sunday.....bring people back to the high street by letting those retailers open when they want and lift parking restrictions for Sunday's.
What about the ones who only get Sunday off work and have to do the main food shop that day.
What about the ones who only get Sunday off work and have to do the main food shop that day.
That will only make life a lot harder for them
They have 24 hour supermarkets, supermarkets even deliver...there are other shops that sell food not just supermarkets...but the first two points address any real problem.
What about the ones who only get Sunday off work and have to do the main food shop that day.
That will only make life a lot harder for them
It makes one wonder how we managed prior to 1994 and with shorter shopping hours on other days than we have now. Consumers only need to look at themselves to realise the reason there are longer working hours is due to consumers demanding more choice and when they get it then demanding more.
They have 24 hour supermarkets, supermarkets even deliver...there are other shops that sell food not just supermarkets...but the first two points address any real problem.
so they are supposed to shop after work
The carer I mentioned she starts at 7am and that means she has to be in that persons house at 7am she she has to be up and out by 6.30 am she is often still working at 10.30 pm so after all that she is supposed to go on a shop and the delivery hours don't start until after she's gone or stop before she's back.
It makes one wonder how we managed prior to 1994 and with shorter shopping hours on other days than we have now. Consumers only need to look at themselves to realise the reason there are longer working hours is due to consumers demanding more choice and when they get it then demanding more.
I imagine it was a lot harder some jobs like carers and nursing you can't just pick and choose your hours and if Sunday is your day off what are you supposed to do for shopping if everything is closed.
The carer I mentioned she starts at 7am and that means she has to be in that persons house at 7am she she has to be up and out by 6.30 am she is often still working at 10.30 pm so after all that she is supposed to go on a shop and the delivery hours don't start until after she's gone or stop before she's back.
Yes. And to be honest with those hours, it will be a far more rewarding experience doing a supermarket shop after work with hardly anyone else around, then it will be battling with everyone else on a Sunday. On Sunday they can then truly relax.
The carer I mentioned she starts at 7am and that means she has to be in that persons house at 7am she she has to be up and out by 6.30 am she is often still working at 10.30 pm so after all that she is supposed to go on a shop and the delivery hours don't start until after she's gone or stop before she's back.
So this carer is working non stop 93 hours per week ? 7am to 10.30pm six days a week ? No one else is ever at home to receive a delivery . If that is the case then to me 6 hours for the supermarket on a Sunday is still enough time.
I imagine it was a lot harder some jobs like carers and nursing you can't just pick and choose your hours and if Sunday is your day off what are you supposed to do for shopping if everything is closed.
I imagine it was a lot harder some jobs like carers and nursing you can't just pick and choose your hours and if Sunday is your day off what are you supposed to do for shopping if everything is closed.
Issues like this were taken into consideration when rotas were drawn up. They had to be.
So this carer is working non stop 93 hours per week ? 7am to 10.30pm six days a week ? No one else is ever at home to receive a delivery . If that is the case then to me 6 hours for the supermarket on a Sunday is still enough time.
She lives alone
I wouldn't say none stop but the hours do vary she may get a 2 hours brake here and there but not enough time to go out and get everything she needs and even then if another carer falls ill they have to cover for them I've seen that happen when they have seeing here they get a call "Betty" is ill so you have to fit her work in during any free spaces.
I'm talking about the days before shops opened on a Sunday.
Ok
But it still must have being hard as even then they must have had to cover if a college suddenly got ill it's not like the people relying on you can wait or not bother
It makes one wonder how we managed prior to 1994 and with shorter shopping hours on other days than we have now. Consumers only need to look at themselves to realise the reason there are longer working hours is due to consumers demanding more choice and when they get it then demanding more.
Ironically in 1994 we had (in my opinion) better High Streets, more choice, more quality and more variety!
Look at any of our European neighbours and none of them have streets full of pound shops, bargain clothes shops and charity shops. Nor are they full of coffee shops. Shopping in Europe is actually better without Sunday hours, massive Tescos and endless retail parks!!
The fact that Germany closes from Saturday at 8pm until 10am Monday says a lot.
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Or am I just talking bollocks?
The law doesn't apply in Scotland, and if IIRC it never has, although someone may correct me on that. This is about England (I think it applies in Wales too).
I think you will find the trade unions also actually oppose extended hours, and that isn't to do with religion that is about the staff.
You are forgetting USDAW the UK's fourth largest Union who are the biggest opponents of extending Sunday hours. Christian groups are a much smaller opponent and many of those oppose it for reasons non religious people can agree with as well, time for rest and family time etc .
Exactly. What about a day for family? In germany they have no Sunday or 24 opening as far as I can gather from German friends. They manage, just like we used to.
But many of the staff still work even when it's closed, so I don't know why they oppose it.
Others are just doing their own thing watching TV or whatever.
I haven't done anything different today than I would have it if had being any other day of the week.
They don't mind workers having a choice to work on Sunday, they are worried that they will be forced to work on Sunday if they don't want too, and trust me in retail they will.
What about the ones who only get Sunday off work and have to do the main food shop that day.
That will only make life a lot harder for them
They have 24 hour supermarkets, supermarkets even deliver...there are other shops that sell food not just supermarkets...but the first two points address any real problem.
It makes one wonder how we managed prior to 1994 and with shorter shopping hours on other days than we have now. Consumers only need to look at themselves to realise the reason there are longer working hours is due to consumers demanding more choice and when they get it then demanding more.
so they are supposed to shop after work
The carer I mentioned she starts at 7am and that means she has to be in that persons house at 7am she she has to be up and out by 6.30 am she is often still working at 10.30 pm so after all that she is supposed to go on a shop and the delivery hours don't start until after she's gone or stop before she's back.
I imagine it was a lot harder some jobs like carers and nursing you can't just pick and choose your hours and if Sunday is your day off what are you supposed to do for shopping if everything is closed.
Yes. And to be honest with those hours, it will be a far more rewarding experience doing a supermarket shop after work with hardly anyone else around, then it will be battling with everyone else on a Sunday. On Sunday they can then truly relax.
So this carer is working non stop 93 hours per week ? 7am to 10.30pm six days a week ? No one else is ever at home to receive a delivery . If that is the case then to me 6 hours for the supermarket on a Sunday is still enough time.
Yet people still managed to manage their time.
BTW what happened to her?
Issues like this were taken into consideration when rotas were drawn up. They had to be.
She lives alone
I wouldn't say none stop but the hours do vary she may get a 2 hours brake here and there but not enough time to go out and get everything she needs and even then if another carer falls ill they have to cover for them I've seen that happen when they have seeing here they get a call "Betty" is ill so you have to fit her work in during any free spaces.
Ain't that the truth!!
Not always I know more than a few outside the family the people I know best are carers as they are really the only people I get to meet.
I'm talking about the days before shops opened on a Sunday.
Ok
But it still must have being hard as even then they must have had to cover if a college suddenly got ill it's not like the people relying on you can wait or not bother
Ironically in 1994 we had (in my opinion) better High Streets, more choice, more quality and more variety!
Look at any of our European neighbours and none of them have streets full of pound shops, bargain clothes shops and charity shops. Nor are they full of coffee shops. Shopping in Europe is actually better without Sunday hours, massive Tescos and endless retail parks!!
The fact that Germany closes from Saturday at 8pm until 10am Monday says a lot.