WTF. We are always being told that young people are mature ahead of their years, so should not be easily lead by what they read on the internet. And the way you word it is like men are in control of getting sex, when it is women that normally dictate terms, so if the bloke is to put it in your own words 'filled with revulsion and astonishment at the ghastly sight', the woman can just move on to the next guy who is more tolerant. Problem solved.
The blame culture is a major reason. It's always someone else's fault. When you are teaching Young people that you are already off to a bad start.
Tie that in with the welfare system, alongside with too many programmes that allow a quick shot at fame and fortune then are we really surprised. Now days you don't have to work so hard to achieve anything or to make money.
In life there are rich and poor, good and bad etc, we need to accept that.
Some people seen to be unable to think for themselves or form their own opinions or ideas about something. A lot of these people are probably also unable to or afraid to question something they disagree with. This leads to a generation of sheep who have no interests or opinions of their own, they just follow the crowd and go with what's seen as "trendy". Social media is also partly to blame for this.
Corruption between law makers and corporations\rich people and a corruption in the media. I feel like if we fixed the media and had a balance of opinions and didnt have a revolving door corrupt politics most other problems would fall in to line
Now days you don't have to work so hard to achieve anything or to make money.
That's not really true though, is it? There are people born into wealth, as there's always been, but the rest of us still have to grind to make ends meet.
That's not really true though, is it? There are people born into wealth, as there's always been, but the rest of us still have to grind to make ends meet.
That's why I wrote that there will always be rich and always be poor. The welfare state tries to close the gap but in doing so it breeds laziness. We teach kids that no education etc doesnt matter as they will still get money. We teach people that have as many kids as you want and you will be supported.
1.The murder rate in London is half of what it was ten years ago.
2.The Uk public are ranked fourth globally as the most generous givers to charity.
3.The top five in the "kindness league table" was America, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and Britain according to a study carried out by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.
Overall I don't think our society is doing too badly.
Selfies, both the word and the actually act itself.
I can't get over the fact people (mainly women) have been taking pictures of themselves pouting and showing their breasts in a low cut top such much that there's now an official word for it, and this word is legitimately used in professional settings such as TV and news.
The word selfie just sums up everything I dislike about the world and this generation of people.
How bitter do I sound?!
In the late 1500s, the fashion was such a low cut down the navel that the breasts were on show.
You only have to read a bit of history to know that there have previously been much stricter rules and expectations about how people look, what clothes people should wear for what occasion, what judgements are made on what someone is wearing to know that we are actually in a much more tolerant time in terms of this.
No, genitals. A perennial, and very unamusing, staple of any teenage advice site or page is utter shame and anguish when girls find out that they have uneven or dangling labia; they have all seen porn sites, and believe that the only acceptable way to look is pink, smooth and hairless. At least girls of my generation were able to feel that a boy would feel grateful if he ever got near them, not filled with revulsion and astonishment at the ghastly sight.
To be fair though you could almost say this about anything. All sorts of people have body issues (which may in part be the fault of the the media and the perception of what is attractive or 'normal') and it's certainly not limited to women/ teenage girls and their vaginas. Could be anything. Spotty, ginger, too fat, too thin, too short, saggy boobs, small penis, knobbly knees, no 6 pack, etc etc.
I see no difference between any of the above to be honest.
Things are a lot better now than they were, even 30 years ago. Anyone who watched some of those recent programmes "It was alright in the 70s" and the other ones about changes in policing, teaching and healthcare can see that.
The problem with this country is it has no vision, it never thinks how the next generation will cope with the utter cock up the present society or government has made by simply wanting to appeal to the electorate of the time.
Things are a lot better now than they were, even 30 years ago. Anyone who watched some of those recent programmes "It was alright in the 70s" and the other ones about changes in policing, teaching and healthcare can see that.
The problem with this country is it has no vision, it never thinks how the next generation will cope with the utter cock up the present society or government has made by simply wanting to appeal to the electorate of the time.
Exactly why the UK is so far behind Germany, The Netherlands and Scandinavia in so, so many ways.
<That 70s programme you mention though was an absolute load of rubbish with more 'faux outrage' than known to man>
Isn't it the same for young lads too? Seeing men in porn with huge willys, often with very good hairless physiques and taking drugs so they can last for hours in the sack?
yes, pornographers are writing the narrative for sex and relationships. Make believe and absurdity. It can never end well.
Agree with much of what has already been said and I don't believe there was ever a 'golden age' when things 'in general' were better. Some are better now; some are worse.
I think the biggest downer, for me, is the cult of the self. Many people knowing all about their rights and nothing of their responsibilities. People are quick to judge and blame others without ever looking inwards. The greed and arrogance of those with power and money. The 'shoulds' and 'oughts'. Paradoxically, the more we seem to have in some ways the less we seem to have in others. We may be generally more affluent and think that we have more 'freedoms' than ever before but social judgements and expectations are as harsh as ever, if not more so. I also think that there is still a huge gulf between the decision makers in society and the people they are supposed to represent.
Same old, same old, really. Just on a more exposed scale.
Isn't it the same for young lads too? Seeing men in porn with huge willys, often with very good hairless physiques and taking drugs so they can last for hours in the sack?
Yes, true and a fair point. Why have people become so precious about body hair? Some men are hairy and some virtually hairless, and why should that be ANYTHING other than a matter of mild curiosity? People act as if a man with a hairy back or hairy shoulders was some kind of gross deviant, who MUST get himself waxed if he is not to end up in the Chamber of Horrors at Madame Taussauds. I think we need a royal society for the prevention of cruelty to body hair, applying to both sexes.
But I remember that being a letter for Cathy and Claire in Jackie in the 70's - because of a) spending an interesting half hour with a compact mirror and b) giving it up as a bad job
Lol, I hope you learned to love what you saw. But to be honest, I don't think many of us had a very clear idea what our genitalia 'should' look like. The rare bits of (magazine) porn we saw generally stopped at the nice concealing blanket of pubic hair. I remember reading Germaine Greer's sentence that 'no woman wants to be told she has a **** like a horse collar', and wondering just how bad you would have to be before that applied, but I didn't really know. Anyone with an un-nannied internet access these days can have the kind of close up view of women's vulvas that only a midwife used to enjoy, and the range of acceptable looks is generally pretty narrow.
WTF. We are always being told that young people are mature ahead of their years, so should not be easily lead by what they read on the internet. And the way you word it is like men are in control of getting sex, when it is women that normally dictate terms, so if the bloke is to put it in your own words 'filled with revulsion and astonishment at the ghastly sight', the woman can just move on to the next guy who is more tolerant. Problem solved.
I am not a sexually active teenage boy and don't really know how they view these things, though there are always young men (possibly not very sexually experienced) on this forum ready to fall into a horrified swoon at the thought of women with pubic hair. But my point was about the feelings of the girl, not the boy. I am sure the reason so much teenage sexual activity is so one-sided (with blow jobs outnumbering oral sex offered to the girls by a big margin) is that girls are so un-confident about how they measure up.
To be fair though you could almost say this about anything. All sorts of people have body issues (which may in part be the fault of the the media and the perception of what is attractive or 'normal') and it's certainly not limited to women/ teenage girls and their vaginas. Could be anything. Spotty, ginger, too fat, too thin, too short, saggy boobs, small penis, knobbly knees, no 6 pack, etc etc.
I see no difference between any of the above to be honest.
I think it IS different, agonising though it can be for a teenager to have spots, a big nose, etc. At least those things are clearly visible, and the public response to them can be judged by actual experience. Every time a teenage girl is told that she looks pretty, it reassures her that her nose/ waistline etc can't be THAT bad. But her genitals are a secret shame. I am only repeating what I have read on advice sites etc, which is that girls fear they will never be able to let any boy near her horrible-looking vagina. You can't really say that noses are equivalent: if yours is not pretty (I don't mean yours personally, you understand), you still have to go to school without a mask on, and hopefully your terror that people will be overcome with disgust will die down in time, when they are not.
Its a common joke beef curtains but it seems presumptuous to attempt to blame insecurity of women on porn. Is it not something school girls will spot in the showers and attack each other for? Fact is that a neat little vagina is preferable than a big meaty mess. I bet that has always been the case for all times pre-porn and post-porn. Porn is diverse perhaps people are harking back to those magazines in the 80's. I would say this problem no longer exists and I bet school girls will still attack each other and end up insecure for not having pretty vaginas even though porn is so vast and representative
Yes, true and a fair point. Why have people become so precious about body hair? Some men are hairy and some virtually hairless, and why should that be ANYTHING other than a matter of mild curiosity? People act as if a man with a hairy back or hairy shoulders was some kind of gross deviant, who MUST get himself waxed if he is not to end up in the Chamber of Horrors at Madame Taussauds. I think we need a royal society for the prevention of cruelty to body hair, applying to both sexes.
Lol, I hope you learned to love what you saw. But to be honest, I don't think many of us had a very clear idea what our genitalia 'should' look like. The rare bits of (magazine) porn we saw generally stopped at the nice concealing blanket of pubic hair. I remember reading Germaine Greer's sentence that 'no woman wants to be told she has a **** like a horse collar', and wondering just how bad you would have to be before that applied, but I didn't really know. Anyone with an un-nannied internet access these days can have the kind of close up view of women's vulvas that only a midwife used to enjoy, and the range of acceptable looks is generally pretty narrow.
I am not a sexually active teenage boy and don't really know how they view these things, though there are always young men (possibly not very sexually experienced) on this forum ready to fall into a horrified swoon at the thought of women with pubic hair. But my point was about the feelings of the girl, not the boy. I am sure the reason so much teenage sexual activity is so one-sided (with blow jobs outnumbering oral sex offered to the girls by a big margin) is that girls are so un-confident about how they measure up.
I think it IS different, agonising though it can be for a teenager to have spots, a big nose, etc. At least those things are clearly visible, and the public response to them can be judged by actual experience. Every time a teenage girl is told that she looks pretty, it reassures her that her nose/ waistline etc can't be THAT bad. But her genitals are a secret shame. I am only repeating what I have read on advice sites etc, which is that girls fear they will never be able to let any boy near her horrible-looking vagina. You can't really say that noses are equivalent: if yours is not pretty (I don't mean yours personally, you understand), you still have to go to school without a mask on, and hopefully your terror that people will be overcome with disgust will die down in time, when they are not.
Now now. Boys genitals are also a secret shame as you put it & theyre not on show either. Shaven haven also is for boys. If it was easy for boys to have penis enlargments they would be queing up for them. Girls imo are just as shallow as boys these days.. sadly
Or doesn't poking disabled people with sticks and going on a tour of the local loony bin not count?
Attending a "freak" show, there's another one.
How about watching people thrown to the lions?
Whole lot of respect and consideration shown there.
Don't mean to snap but honestly this endless self flagelation about how bad we are as a society when in fact we are so much better than at any time in history is tiresome.
Now is it because we are better/gooder/more moral?
Of course not.
It's because we can afford to be. It's an indulgence created by the success of the society that has brought the benefits.
But apparently that same society is not good enough?
Compared to the 30's, 40's 50's & 60's. Of course life for the vast majority of people is much better in terms of comfort and choice. Even the poor are much richer than any time in history. People have rights enshrined in law.
Our society is not 'bad' nor is it 'good'. The experiences of all people within a given society will differ and therefore their perception of that society will differ. Society is not a black and white issue.
We have given people rights within our society (which is excellent). However, individual responsibilities have not kept up. Some people want the rights but without any of the responsibilities which go with it.
We have moved on from the freak shows and the institutionalisation of those whom we perceive as 'different' from ourselves. However, the lack of respect is simply shown in different less obvious ways.
We seem to believe we are on a linear path of progression. And in many, many ways we have progressed an awful long way. However, at an individual moral level I don't believe we have moved very far.
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Good point.
This gets my vote too. Everyone seems to be me, me, me these days.
Tie that in with the welfare system, alongside with too many programmes that allow a quick shot at fame and fortune then are we really surprised. Now days you don't have to work so hard to achieve anything or to make money.
In life there are rich and poor, good and bad etc, we need to accept that.
That's not really true though, is it? There are people born into wealth, as there's always been, but the rest of us still have to grind to make ends meet.
I was referring to what used to be the easily affordable working man's sport.
Your list have always been paid a king's ransom.
That's why I wrote that there will always be rich and always be poor. The welfare state tries to close the gap but in doing so it breeds laziness. We teach kids that no education etc doesnt matter as they will still get money. We teach people that have as many kids as you want and you will be supported.
There just simply aren't enough drugs!
2.The Uk public are ranked fourth globally as the most generous givers to charity.
3.The top five in the "kindness league table" was America, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and Britain according to a study carried out by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.
Overall I don't think our society is doing too badly.
In the late 1500s, the fashion was such a low cut down the navel that the breasts were on show.
You only have to read a bit of history to know that there have previously been much stricter rules and expectations about how people look, what clothes people should wear for what occasion, what judgements are made on what someone is wearing to know that we are actually in a much more tolerant time in terms of this.
To be fair though you could almost say this about anything. All sorts of people have body issues (which may in part be the fault of the the media and the perception of what is attractive or 'normal') and it's certainly not limited to women/ teenage girls and their vaginas. Could be anything. Spotty, ginger, too fat, too thin, too short, saggy boobs, small penis, knobbly knees, no 6 pack, etc etc.
I see no difference between any of the above to be honest.
The problem with this country is it has no vision, it never thinks how the next generation will cope with the utter cock up the present society or government has made by simply wanting to appeal to the electorate of the time.
What does that make it then that so many people fall for a certain red top owner's lies and propaganda? It's them 'wot won it' remember
Although Noel Edmonds is probably the greater evil still.
Exactly why the UK is so far behind Germany, The Netherlands and Scandinavia in so, so many ways.
<That 70s programme you mention though was an absolute load of rubbish with more 'faux outrage' than known to man>
yes, pornographers are writing the narrative for sex and relationships. Make believe and absurdity. It can never end well.
I think the biggest downer, for me, is the cult of the self. Many people knowing all about their rights and nothing of their responsibilities. People are quick to judge and blame others without ever looking inwards. The greed and arrogance of those with power and money. The 'shoulds' and 'oughts'. Paradoxically, the more we seem to have in some ways the less we seem to have in others. We may be generally more affluent and think that we have more 'freedoms' than ever before but social judgements and expectations are as harsh as ever, if not more so. I also think that there is still a huge gulf between the decision makers in society and the people they are supposed to represent.
Same old, same old, really. Just on a more exposed scale.
I think it IS different, agonising though it can be for a teenager to have spots, a big nose, etc. At least those things are clearly visible, and the public response to them can be judged by actual experience. Every time a teenage girl is told that she looks pretty, it reassures her that her nose/ waistline etc can't be THAT bad. But her genitals are a secret shame. I am only repeating what I have read on advice sites etc, which is that girls fear they will never be able to let any boy near her horrible-looking vagina. You can't really say that noses are equivalent: if yours is not pretty (I don't mean yours personally, you understand), you still have to go to school without a mask on, and hopefully your terror that people will be overcome with disgust will die down in time, when they are not.
Quite right too. No beef curtains.
Idiot is as idiot does, eh Kippeh. New name,same old shit jokes.
Its a common joke beef curtains but it seems presumptuous to attempt to blame insecurity of women on porn. Is it not something school girls will spot in the showers and attack each other for? Fact is that a neat little vagina is preferable than a big meaty mess. I bet that has always been the case for all times pre-porn and post-porn. Porn is diverse perhaps people are harking back to those magazines in the 80's. I would say this problem no longer exists and I bet school girls will still attack each other and end up insecure for not having pretty vaginas even though porn is so vast and representative
Now now. Boys genitals are also a secret shame as you put it & theyre not on show either. Shaven haven also is for boys. If it was easy for boys to have penis enlargments they would be queing up for them. Girls imo are just as shallow as boys these days.. sadly
Compared to the 30's, 40's 50's & 60's. Of course life for the vast majority of people is much better in terms of comfort and choice. Even the poor are much richer than any time in history. People have rights enshrined in law.
Our society is not 'bad' nor is it 'good'. The experiences of all people within a given society will differ and therefore their perception of that society will differ. Society is not a black and white issue.
We have given people rights within our society (which is excellent). However, individual responsibilities have not kept up. Some people want the rights but without any of the responsibilities which go with it.
We have moved on from the freak shows and the institutionalisation of those whom we perceive as 'different' from ourselves. However, the lack of respect is simply shown in different less obvious ways.
We seem to believe we are on a linear path of progression. And in many, many ways we have progressed an awful long way. However, at an individual moral level I don't believe we have moved very far.