This HoloLens looks interesting, maybe this is why they bought Minecraft?
Of course the lens will cost £1000+
Nice idea.
But 3d glasses, people dont like wearing them
Google Glass is on hold, not taken off, glasses look silly
VR and this lens, nice idea but get rid of the lens and it'll get better take up.
A subscription model might not be so bad if they continue to allow one-off pricing, similar to how Office works.
But trying to make it the only option is just going to force more people into piracy (or OS X/Linux for those who won't break the law), so hopefully the rumors aren't true
A subscription model might not be so bad if they continue to allow one-off pricing, similar to how Office works.
But trying to make it the only option is just going to force more people into piracy (or OS X/Linux for those who won't break the law), so hopefully the rumors aren't true
The only rumors I've seen have been on this thread
True but like you say it would be a silly idea if suddenly after 1 year Windows pop up a message saying to continue using please subscribe.
I suspect that is exactly what will happen: if you want to use Windows 10 you will need to get an annual subscription, like Office 365.
Microsoft's business customers have seen this happen already. I manage the software for a small company with only 7 users, but our subscriptions to Office 365 and Dynamics CRM are £200/month.
I suspect that is exactly what will happen: if you want to use Windows 10 you will need to get an annual subscription, like Office 365.
Microsoft's business customers have seen this happen already. I manage the software for a small company with only 7 users, but our subscriptions to Office 365 and Dynamics CRM are £200/month.
I hope I'm wrong.
That would be the most stupid move ever, the huge amount of negative feedback it would create would kill the trust in the company forever! There is just no way they would offer it for free for the first year (with the limited time frame designed to encourage people to upgrade sooner, great word of mouth for people to tell their friends that it's not Win 8), then force people to pay a subscription.
They may as has been suggested offer a subscription version after the first year, but that would probably include OneDrive/Office/Live etc. But that would be alongside the standard model people have been used to for decades.
this thread is the only place ive heard of a subscription model everywhere else says its free to upgrade for the first year after that you have to buy windows 10 as you usually would to upgrade
Have to say I was expecting a heavy discount if not a free upgrade path for Win8 users but the Win7 news was a bit of a surprise.
The way I'm reading it is that we will presumably get 12 months to redeem a product key, after which point the offer expires and anyone else would need to pay, but any existing keys will still be valid. If they were to make it a subscription model they would need to be making it a lot more clear.
Despite all this you just know there will still be plenty of people dragging their heels with XP by the time Windows 10 is released
The only rumors I've seen have been on this thread
Some news sites are mentioning that Windows is going to be "more like a service", and others are speculating on what will happen after the first year as far as updates etc are concerned
And the general idea of Windows and Office going subscription only has been around for years, long before MS actually made it a reality for Office
Is it worth upgrading a Windows 7 machine? If it's like IOS and runs slow I don't fancy it. For example Windows XP on Windows 98 machines was not great.
I suspect that is exactly what will happen: if you want to use Windows 10 you will need to get an annual subscription, like Office 365.
Microsoft's business customers have seen this happen already. I manage the software for a small company with only 7 users, but our subscriptions to Office 365 and Dynamics CRM are £200/month.
I hope I'm wrong.
They said so at the beginning, you have Office 365 and Office 2013, your choice. What do you think would happen if they said 'Oops, we actually meant the first year of W10 subscription is for free'? They can't be that suicidal.
I suspect that is exactly what will happen: if you want to use Windows 10 you will need to get an annual subscription, like Office 365.
Microsoft's business customers have seen this happen already. I manage the software for a small company with only 7 users, but our subscriptions to Office 365 and Dynamics CRM are £200/month.
I hope I'm wrong.
Well they tried that with MS Word for iPad but now it's free and only partly subscription.
If it's a sub after 1 year nobody will upgrade. The bloggers and media would advise everybody not to upgrade.
I suspect that is exactly what will happen: if you want to use Windows 10 you will need to get an annual subscription, like Office 365.
Microsoft's business customers have seen this happen already. I manage the software for a small company with only 7 users, but our subscriptions to Office 365 and Dynamics CRM are £200/month.
I hope I'm wrong.
I think (hope) you may be wrong. There were no hints at a subscription model anywhere in the presentation that I noticed. I understood it to mean that the upgrade would be free for one year. After that, upgrades would have to be paid for, as they are now.
I can't see them using the subscription model for the OS. There would be little incentive, for home users especially, to upgrade.
Is it worth upgrading a Windows 7 machine? If it's like IOS and runs slow I don't fancy it. For example Windows XP on Windows 98 machines was not great.
Yes, W10 will run even better as it will need less resources, just like W8.1.
Their is no subscription model for windows 10 or any plan to. Wow one fake post and everyone thinks it is real
the reason behind the free upgrade is to push more the people on to the same platform. They had a heck of a job moving people off Windows XP and next to impossible off Windows 7.
Windows 8 and upwards has the Microsoft store the sort of google play of windows if you like. They want to move more people on to this platform which will also be in windows 10. It allows them more people to access their apps / movie and games marketplace through this they up to sell more.
so we get windows free they get more customer to their store front. Works for me
Have to say I was expecting a heavy discount if not a free upgrade path for Win8 users but the Win7 news was a bit of a surprise.
The way I'm reading it is that we will presumably get 12 months to redeem a product key, after which point the offer expires and anyone else would need to pay, but any existing keys will still be valid. If they were to make it a subscription model they would need to be making it a lot more clear.
Despite all this you just know there will still be plenty of people dragging their heels with XP by the time Windows 10 is released
Yes, it came as a surprise to me too:
Windows 10 upgrade to be 'free' for one year Microsoft has announced that its next operating system will be offered as a free upgrade to owners of devices running Windows 8, Windows 7 and Windows Phone. The announcement marks a change in strategy to its previous policy of charging for major updates. The offer, which is limited to the OS's first year of release, may aid its adoption. That could help avoid a repeat of the relatively slow uptake of Windows 8. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30924022
Their is no subscription model for windows 10 or any plan to. Wow one fake post and everyone thinks it is real
OK, maybe I am wrong, but you can be sure that MS would do this if they thought they could get away with it.
Large businesses already buy into a 3-year enterprise agreement, which gives them the number of licenses they need, as well as access to support and upgrades.
The good news was that the upgrade from 7 to 8 was one of the best upgrade experiences I've seen.
The bad news is that MS then makes it complicated to do reinstalls. For example, I have upgraded PCs from 7 to 8 to 8.1, but then the refresh install options don't work as you installed with 8.0 media.
I hope MS give everyone a free Windows 10 product key which can be used to do a clean reinstall later if you want to.
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Well I don't think developers will drop Windows 7/8 support, partly because I reckon most of the background code in 10 is the same.
I was more meaning for the Xbox app, which has built in DVR and also cross play with X1 users on some games.
Of course the lens will cost £1000+
Nice idea.
But 3d glasses, people dont like wearing them
Google Glass is on hold, not taken off, glasses look silly
VR and this lens, nice idea but get rid of the lens and it'll get better take up.
Satya Nadella just confirmed the press is going to get to play Minecraft on it after this briefing
Can't wait to read the feedback from the press.
But trying to make it the only option is just going to force more people into piracy (or OS X/Linux for those who won't break the law), so hopefully the rumors aren't true
The only rumors I've seen have been on this thread
I suspect that is exactly what will happen: if you want to use Windows 10 you will need to get an annual subscription, like Office 365.
Microsoft's business customers have seen this happen already. I manage the software for a small company with only 7 users, but our subscriptions to Office 365 and Dynamics CRM are £200/month.
I hope I'm wrong.
That would be the most stupid move ever, the huge amount of negative feedback it would create would kill the trust in the company forever! There is just no way they would offer it for free for the first year (with the limited time frame designed to encourage people to upgrade sooner, great word of mouth for people to tell their friends that it's not Win 8), then force people to pay a subscription.
They may as has been suggested offer a subscription version after the first year, but that would probably include OneDrive/Office/Live etc. But that would be alongside the standard model people have been used to for decades.
The way I'm reading it is that we will presumably get 12 months to redeem a product key, after which point the offer expires and anyone else would need to pay, but any existing keys will still be valid. If they were to make it a subscription model they would need to be making it a lot more clear.
Despite all this you just know there will still be plenty of people dragging their heels with XP by the time Windows 10 is released
Some news sites are mentioning that Windows is going to be "more like a service", and others are speculating on what will happen after the first year as far as updates etc are concerned
And the general idea of Windows and Office going subscription only has been around for years, long before MS actually made it a reality for Office
They said so at the beginning, you have Office 365 and Office 2013, your choice. What do you think would happen if they said 'Oops, we actually meant the first year of W10 subscription is for free'? They can't be that suicidal.
Well they tried that with MS Word for iPad but now it's free and only partly subscription.
If it's a sub after 1 year nobody will upgrade. The bloggers and media would advise everybody not to upgrade.
I think (hope) you may be wrong. There were no hints at a subscription model anywhere in the presentation that I noticed. I understood it to mean that the upgrade would be free for one year. After that, upgrades would have to be paid for, as they are now.
I can't see them using the subscription model for the OS. There would be little incentive, for home users especially, to upgrade.
Yes, W10 will run even better as it will need less resources, just like W8.1.
the reason behind the free upgrade is to push more the people on to the same platform. They had a heck of a job moving people off Windows XP and next to impossible off Windows 7.
Windows 8 and upwards has the Microsoft store the sort of google play of windows if you like. They want to move more people on to this platform which will also be in windows 10. It allows them more people to access their apps / movie and games marketplace through this they up to sell more.
so we get windows free they get more customer to their store front. Works for me
Same here as I am happy with using Windows 7 on all of my machines, I skipped Tetris aka Windows 8, so really cannot see me changing OS just yet.
Yes, it came as a surprise to me too:
Windows 10 upgrade to be 'free' for one year
Microsoft has announced that its next operating system will be offered as a free upgrade to owners of devices running Windows 8, Windows 7 and Windows Phone. The announcement marks a change in strategy to its previous policy of charging for major updates. The offer, which is limited to the OS's first year of release, may aid its adoption. That could help avoid a repeat of the relatively slow uptake of Windows 8.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30924022
How did 7 machines handle updating to 8.1?
Large businesses already buy into a 3-year enterprise agreement, which gives them the number of licenses they need, as well as access to support and upgrades.
:rolleyes:
I guess that also means 32bit support continues, useful considering, last I heard ,most Windows games are written in 32 bit (memory saving too?)
Trolling? All mine upgraded with no problems..
The good news was that the upgrade from 7 to 8 was one of the best upgrade experiences I've seen.
The bad news is that MS then makes it complicated to do reinstalls. For example, I have upgraded PCs from 7 to 8 to 8.1, but then the refresh install options don't work as you installed with 8.0 media.
I hope MS give everyone a free Windows 10 product key which can be used to do a clean reinstall later if you want to.