How do you require Scots to be behave? What do they have to do in order win your approval?
Think a lot of folk would like if the Scots sat at the back of the class with their heads down and be grateful that we were allowed a referendum.
Aint going to happen though
No. We are all equally in the UK. The Scottish parliament is divisive
I don't think it's divisive but it does mean Scots have a stronger sense of Scottish identity than British and likely it will lead to the eventual break of the political union. That'll strengthen the social union as a friendship of equals comes is allowed to form naturally. There's no need for division.
I have to chuckle at the naive attitude of some on these forums.
Some folks actually believed that after fighting for independence for nigh on 100 years, that the SNP were just going to give up the fight because of one vote?
I have to chuckle at the naive attitude of some on these forums.
Some folks actually believed that after fighting for independence for nigh on 100 years, that the SNP were just going to give up the fight because of one vote?
Aye right.
It's good they are trying to subvert democracy away from what the majority of what Scots wished for. I guess that's nationalists for you, as they see anyone who isn't with them as the enemy.
It's good they are trying to subvert democracy away from what the majority of what Scots wished for. I guess that's nationalists for you, as they see anyone who isn't with them as the enemy.
What a load of twaddle.
I don't recall the SNP ever mentioning that they're going down the UDI route against the wishes of the majority.
Although - maybe they should. At least that way, there would be some justification for your hyperbolic nonsense.
It's good they are trying to subvert democracy away from what the majority of what Scots wished for. I guess that's nationalists for you, as they see anyone who isn't with them as the enemy.
Is Scotland going to be an independent country after the vote?
No, it isn't, so the democratic process has been respected. This doesn't stop people still campaigning and debating it, just like how we choose a government and then still moan about them and choose another one 5 years down the road.
Or did you think a vote for no was "no, and everyone has to shut up about it for 30 years"?
Is Scotland going to be an independent country after the vote?
No, it isn't, so the democratic process has been respected. This doesn't stop people still campaigning and debating it, just like how we choose a government and then still moan about them and choose another one 5 years down the road.
Or did you think a vote for no was "no, and everyone has to shut up about it for 30 years"?
It's not really a democratic campaign though is it. This is just a case of just keep voting until you get what you want, irrespective of what the majority believe. I suspect it's dead for at least a decade now, perhaps longer now the oil dream has faded from their plans.
It's not really a democratic campaign though is it. This is just a case of just keep voting until you get what you want, irrespective of what the majority believe. I suspect it's dead for at least a decade now, perhaps longer now the oil dream has faded from their plans.
Not really. Having another vote would simply allowing people to express their opinion about the same issue again. If we had another vote tomorrow, those people who think Scotland should remain in the UK can still vote that way. Like I said, there is a reason why we have general elections every 5 years instead of picking a government once and then putting up with them indefinitely. Opinions change, and people are free to argue their point despite being defeated on one particular day.
It would be undemocratic to say that another vote can't happen for x years preventing further votes if there is general public desire for one, and it's certainly incorrect to say that the SNP should just drop it having been defeated once.
It's good they are trying to subvert democracy away from what the majority of what Scots wished for. I guess that's nationalists for you, as they see anyone who isn't with them as the enemy.
Is this serious?
So when we have a general election this year that should be the result in perpetuity?
Do you understand the relationship between politics and popular opinion?
Just because a vote one day gives one result does not mean that a vote in the future will not deliver a different one.
And that is what will happen with this issue, from time to time there wil be a vote on independence until there is a Yes.
It's not really a democratic campaign though is it. This is just a case of just keep voting until you get what you want, irrespective of what the majority believe. I suspect it's dead for at least a decade now, perhaps longer now the oil dream has faded from their plans.
It really is.
If enough people want a vote, democracy kind of suggest that a vote should be had.
It's not really a democratic campaign though is it. This is just a case of just keep voting until you get what you want, irrespective of what the majority believe. I suspect it's dead for at least a decade now, perhaps longer now the oil dream has faded from their plans.
Oil dream hasn't faded, there never was an oil dream except for in rantings of the unionist MPs/MSPs. We moved from 30% support for independence to 45% -- should be easier to get indy next try
Oil dream hasn't faded, there never was an oil dream except for in rantings of the unionist MPs/MSPs.
You're kidding right? It was all I ever heard both from the SNP and people here. In fact, it was probably most of what the case for independence was put forwards was all about was 'THE OIL'.
Strangely, it's all gone a bit quiet on this front since. I can't think why.
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Think a lot of folk would like if the Scots sat at the back of the class with their heads down and be grateful that we were allowed a referendum.
Aint going to happen though
Full devolution to Scottish Parliament, Scotland controls everything while the Westminster controls foreign affairs, military and such.
Having voted no all currently living Scots need to die off before we are allowed to talk about it again, as far as I can tell.
Haven't they been offered this ?
Not that I know of.
Some less than others.
They are determined that it will never be offered or allowed.
No. We are all equally in the UK. The Scottish parliament is divisive
I don't think it's divisive but it does mean Scots have a stronger sense of Scottish identity than British and likely it will lead to the eventual break of the political union. That'll strengthen the social union as a friendship of equals comes is allowed to form naturally. There's no need for division.
You want divisive? Did you see the UKIP deputy on QT? Now THAT is how you achieve division.
He only told the truth.
Some folks actually believed that after fighting for independence for nigh on 100 years, that the SNP were just going to give up the fight because of one vote?
Aye right.
No. The SNP proposed that as an alternative selection on the referendum ballot paper.
They were prohibited from including it by Westminster.
It's good they are trying to subvert democracy away from what the majority of what Scots wished for. I guess that's nationalists for you, as they see anyone who isn't with them as the enemy.
Very true that
But when polls say the SNP could be on course to win 50 seats on May 7 you've got to start wondering did she have a point ?!
What a load of twaddle.
I don't recall the SNP ever mentioning that they're going down the UDI route against the wishes of the majority.
Although - maybe they should. At least that way, there would be some justification for your hyperbolic nonsense.
Is Scotland going to be an independent country after the vote?
No, it isn't, so the democratic process has been respected. This doesn't stop people still campaigning and debating it, just like how we choose a government and then still moan about them and choose another one 5 years down the road.
Or did you think a vote for no was "no, and everyone has to shut up about it for 30 years"?
It's not really a democratic campaign though is it. This is just a case of just keep voting until you get what you want, irrespective of what the majority believe. I suspect it's dead for at least a decade now, perhaps longer now the oil dream has faded from their plans.
Not really. Having another vote would simply allowing people to express their opinion about the same issue again. If we had another vote tomorrow, those people who think Scotland should remain in the UK can still vote that way. Like I said, there is a reason why we have general elections every 5 years instead of picking a government once and then putting up with them indefinitely. Opinions change, and people are free to argue their point despite being defeated on one particular day.
It would be undemocratic to say that another vote can't happen for x years preventing further votes if there is general public desire for one, and it's certainly incorrect to say that the SNP should just drop it having been defeated once.
Is this serious?
So when we have a general election this year that should be the result in perpetuity?
Do you understand the relationship between politics and popular opinion?
Just because a vote one day gives one result does not mean that a vote in the future will not deliver a different one.
And that is what will happen with this issue, from time to time there wil be a vote on independence until there is a Yes.
Some folk have a weird idea about democracy
It really is.
If enough people want a vote, democracy kind of suggest that a vote should be had.
You're kidding right? It was all I ever heard both from the SNP and people here. In fact, it was probably most of what the case for independence was put forwards was all about was 'THE OIL'.
Strangely, it's all gone a bit quiet on this front since. I can't think why.