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Support for EU dying

warlordwarlord Posts: 3,292
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In 2007, a majority of Europeans - 52 per cent - trusted the EU. That trust has now fallen to 35 per cent.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11366613/How-the-European-dream-is-dying-state-by-state.html
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    EnnerjeeEnnerjee Posts: 5,131
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    warlord wrote: »
    In 2007, a majority of Europeans - 52 per cent - trusted the EU. That trust has now fallen to 35 per cent.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11366613/How-the-European-dream-is-dying-state-by-state.html

    It's always been inevitable if you've held the belief that the EU and its architects elaborate pipe dream could never become a reality.

    The disaster that it's developing into has been foreseen by people called Eurosceptics for many years.
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    David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    warlord wrote: »
    In 2007, a majority of Europeans - 52 per cent - trusted the EU. That trust has now fallen to 35 per cent.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11366613/How-the-European-dream-is-dying-state-by-state.html

    And what percentage "trust" our politicians?
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    vauxhall1964vauxhall1964 Posts: 10,411
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    and yet not in a single EU member country - including our own - are parties against EU membership anywhere near 35% of the vote, let alone a majority.
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    HypnodiscHypnodisc Posts: 22,728
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    and yet not in a single EU member country - including our own - are parties against EU membership anywhere near 35% of the vote, let alone a majority.

    ^ this.

    Makes you skeptical of such poll data
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    AneechikAneechik Posts: 20,208
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    I don't think it's the poll data that's the issue, it's the fact that the cosy pro-EU consensus means that without fail every single Eurosceptic party in the entire continent are fringe wingnuts.
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    worzilworzil Posts: 4,590
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    The Government we elect in may will be a devolved government of the European parliament with Germany at its head.
    There is more countries than Britain unhappy with the EU and the way its being run.
    It seems when countries bring in suggestions for change if Germany says no than its no.
    I personally would like to go back to the EEC which seemed easier for all countries and could not interfere in their laws and regulations as the EU courts do now.
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    SurrenderBillSurrenderBill Posts: 19,084
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    If a credible Eurosceptic party existed in this country, they might actually get substantial support, but as it is...
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    Jean_DanielsJean_Daniels Posts: 5,031
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    if they leave the eu the door will be open for others to leave,and i think quite a few including the uk will follow closely behind
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    deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    The EU is so inflexible. Why can it be more modular and work for it's members? If Britain has a big issue with borders due to it being an island etc. why can't the EU accommodate that?

    Member states should be able to opt in and out of EU law on election cycles. The whole point of having a union is it should benefit not constrain the countries that are part of it.
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    MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    I think more and more people are just disillusioned with the political system which appears to serve the 1%, bankers and bondholders while imposing austerity, mass youth unemployment and misery on millions of mainly young Europeans.

    Syriza are going to win today's Greek election - despite the threats of blackmail and disaster from the EU and Goldman. The old Greek socialist party - Labour's allies - Pasok who won the 2009 Greek election won't even score 5% this time.

    Podemos are leading in Spain. You have Brillos party in Italy, Sinn Fein on the rise in Ireland, the NF in France and others - people just rejecting a political system that's failing them.

    Even in the UK Labour and the Tories are barely hitting 60% in some polls - while the Greens, SNP and UKIP continue to grow in support.

    Times they are a changing - perhaps - maybe its time people got off their knees and fought back!
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    barky99barky99 Posts: 3,921
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    The EU is so inflexible. Why can it be more modular and work for it's members? If Britain has a big issue with borders due to it being an island etc. why can't the EU accommodate that?

    Member states should be able to opt in and out of EU law on election cycles. The whole point of having a union is it should benefit not constrain the countries that are part of it.
    british isles do have a different arrangement, we're not part of shengen - have our own common travel area
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    MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    and yet not in a single EU member country - including our own - are parties against EU membership anywhere near 35% of the vote, let alone a majority.

    I expect if you polled Tory party members - as most EU exit polls indicate - they are supportive of EU exit. Now Cameron is clearly in favour of staying in - but quite a lot of his MPs and Cabinet members are Eurosceptic or indeed favour exit. If the Tories lose in May who can say what might happen.

    And apparently the Greens want to abolish free trade by imposing trade barriers to promote their localised economy approach - which if they tried to implement would mean being kicked out of the EU immediately.
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    mountymounty Posts: 19,239
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    The EU has survived this long so I doubt it will collapse any time soon.

    Our German overlords will throw us a bone or two at some point to keep us happy
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    David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    I expect if you polled Tory party members - as most EU exit polls indicate - they are supportive of EU exit. Now Cameron is clearly in favour of staying in - but quite a lot of his MPs and Cabinet members are Eurosceptic or indeed favour exit. If the Tories lose in May who can say what might happen.

    And apparently the Greens want to abolish free trade by imposing trade barriers to promote their localised economy approach - which if they tried to implement would mean being kicked out of the EU immediately.

    The last one had 51% of Tory members voting to stay in, with 43% voting to pull out.
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    allaortaallaorta Posts: 19,050
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    David Tee wrote: »
    The last one had 51% of Tory members voting to stay in, with 43% voting to pull out.

    That was before Bashir. :D
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    allaortaallaorta Posts: 19,050
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    mounty wrote: »
    The EU has survived this long so I doubt it will collapse any time soon.

    Our German overlords will throw us a bone or two at some point to keep us happy

    One good body swerve by Greece and Germany won't be able to afford bones.
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    AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    warlord wrote: »
    In 2007, a majority of Europeans - 52 per cent - trusted the EU. That trust has now fallen to 35 per cent.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11366613/How-the-European-dream-is-dying-state-by-state.html

    The EU as originally conceived was not a bad idea. It was when power crazed unelected bureaucrats sought more and more control and enlarged without reason and admitted near bankrupt countries that it all started to unravel.
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    Nick1966Nick1966 Posts: 15,742
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    and yet not in a single EU member country - including our own - are parties against EU membership anywhere near 35% of the vote, let alone a majority.

    Indeed.

    I'm willing to guess that at the May 2015 general election, UKIP will win about 1% of the Commons seats.
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    barky99barky99 Posts: 3,921
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    Annsyre wrote: »
    The EU as originally conceived was not a bad idea. It was when power crazed unelected bureaucrats sought more and more control and enlarged without reason and admitted near bankrupt countries that it all started to unravel.
    Would say the roll out of the Euro has been the biggest blunder as the 1 currency for very different economies simply doesn't work -- should have been a tiered system rather than try the 1 suits all mess
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    David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    Nick1966 wrote: »
    Indeed.

    I'm willing to guess that at the May 2015 general election, UKIP will win about 1% of the Commons seats.

    Farage reckons a good number of seats is "at least 3-4", so not even that.
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    Nessun DormaNessun Dorma Posts: 12,846
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    if they leave the eu the door will be open for others to leave,and i think quite a few including the uk will follow closely behind

    I don't think any mainstream party in the Greek elections are calling for an exit from the EU. Some are questioning their relationship with the Euro though.
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    Nessun DormaNessun Dorma Posts: 12,846
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    This is a bit like that ridiculous Daily Express poll, where they showed eighty per cent support for leaving the European Union. The latest nationwide poll in the UK showed that only thirty-five per cent wanted Britain to leave the EU. It also showed that fifty-five per cent wanted to stay if there was a renegotiation.
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    AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    barky99 wrote: »
    Would say the roll out of the Euro has been the biggest blunder as the 1 currency for very different economies simply doesn't work -- should have been a tiered system rather than try the 1 suits all mess

    It was all part of the madmen's dream of a Republic of Europe.
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    barky99barky99 Posts: 3,921
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    Annsyre wrote: »
    It was all part of the madmen's dream of a Republic of Europe.
    other than the split parliament in Brussels and Strasbourg I'd say Euro implementation was the only really mad bit
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    AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    barky99 wrote: »
    other than the split parliament in Brussels and Strasbourg I'd say Euro implementation was the only really mad bit

    We shall have to agree to disagree. I voted NO in 1975 and am based.
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