To be fair, this cloud would only apply to famous TV comedy actors who are so famous that children refer to them using the name of the character that they are playing in the TV comedy.....(See the full story on the exaro news website).
Is the accused comedy actor still active in showbusiness?
Is the accused comedy actor still active in showbusiness?
I would urge caution and restraint in respect of naming (and speculating about) living individuals until they've been charged and convicted otherwise this thread could get locked/deleted and any forum members gossiping online about such individuals could end up with the same fate as Sally Bercow, who should have known better: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22652083
LBC presenter James O'Brien has given a solemn promise to his listeners that he is not going to drop his focus on these events.
If he has an interview with an Exaro News journalist in the coming week, I would suggest the following question could be put to his guest: "Have the three victims all named the same "senior politician" and does that indicate that an arrest is now imminent?"
James O'Brien deserves a great deal credit for keeping the spotlight on this important issue of child abuse and the abuse of power to cover up the assaults and child rapes. I would also hope that he asks that same question of a senior Metropolitan Police officer live on air (at least things are being properly investigated now, the matter is much more high profile and so a cover up, while still possible, is less likely).
Is that because no one due to stand trial for a serious crime has ever committed suicide before or just because you reckon it seems dodgy?
Why can't both possibilities be considered?
The overall topic that we are discussing here is the possibility of a cover-up of truly mind blowing proportions. Did you think that we were exclusively discussing a "nice" cover up?
Why can't both possibilities be considered?
The overall topic that we are discussing here is the possibility of a cover-up of truly mind blowing proportions. Did you think that we were exclusively discussing a "nice" cover up?
Yes, a possibility of a cover up, some posters seem to be convinced there is one without all the facts at hand.
"Investigative journalist Nick Davies reported in The Guardian Morrison received a caution for cottaging with underage boys in public lavatories. Fellow Tory MP Edwina Currie states in her autobiography that Morrison regularly had sex with 16 year-old-boys – whilst the legal age of consent at the time was 21"
"In October 2012, Rod Richards, a former MP and ex-leader of the Welsh Conservatives, implicated Morrison in the North Wales child abuse scandal."
According to those articles, all of Thatcher, Tebbit & Hague knew,
yet he was still promoted to deputy party chairman and Thatcher's private secretary, as well as being MP for Chester from 1974 to 1992.
This man was at the top of government...unlike Cyril Smith.
The MSM (rightly) made a huge song & dance about Smith, but in comparison, Morrison hardly got a mention.
Is that because no one due to stand trial for a serious crime has ever committed suicide before or just because you reckon it seems dodgy?
My point is that with such a massive whirlwind of rumours about a peodophile ring at the highest levels of the UK establishment, including rumours that the police and secret services took steps to remove evidence, ruling out suspicious circumstances should only be after a thorough investigation, not within hours of the body being discovered.
My point is that with such a massive whirlwind of rumours about a peodophile ring at the highest levels of the UK establishment, including rumours that the police and secret services took steps to remove evidence, ruling out suspicious circumstances should only be after a thorough investigation, not within hours of the body being discovered.
Don't you think you're jumping to conclusions by suspecting "wet work"?
Remember David Kelly?
yes, suicide,despite what the conspiracy blogs reckon.
Don't you think you're jumping to conclusions by suspecting "wet work"?
yes, suicide,despite what the conspiracy blogs reckon.
I'm not jumping to any conclusions, just expecting an investigation, not an instant dismissal of anything suspicious.
My point was the police announced that it was suicide, but due to pressure there needed to be a massive, costly and very long enquiry. Better to do the ground work in the first place and not wait until forced to.
I take comfort from the following news report below because, years ago, such an individual would have been protected, the police would have been told to back off and there would have been no press reporting:
I should add that it would be inappropriate to engage in idle speculation about this ongoing criminal case. I have some hope that the perpetrators of the historic abuse will now also face justice given that above events.
The USA also experienced a similar child abuse case with children in care being abused by VIPs. The Discovery Channel and Yorkshire Television cooperated to produce a documentary about this matter but so much pressure from above was applied that it was not broadcast in the USA. It is, however, now in the public domain for all to view.
Sky News reporting that a file has been found which contains a report prepared for Mrs Thatcher on the security implications of allegations of 'unnatural sexual proclivities' of public {word missing}
Apparently the file is at the cabinet Office but was not disclosed to the Wanless Enquiry
In another development Sir Bernard Ingham, former press secretary to Mrs Thatcher, has said that allegations were made against a Cabinet Minister in the 1980s and he questioned said minister about them but took the matter no further after the Minister denied the allegations
Sky News reporting that a file has been found which contains a report prepared for Mrs Thatcher on the security implications of allegations of 'unnatural sexual proclivities' of public {word missing}
Apparently the file is at the cabinet Office but was not disclosed to the Wanless Enquiry
In another development Sir Bernard Ingham, former press secretary to Mrs Thatcher, has said that allegations were made against a Cabinet Minister in the 1980s and he questioned said minister about them but took the matter no further after the Minister denied the allegations
Yes, I saw that too on Sky News this evening and it's pretty shocking. It does apparently refer to underage paedophile activity hence why Mr Wanless demanded the document's full disclosure. The government should have found and openly disclosed this document first without having been forced to do so. My concern is that this document copy has not even been handed over to the Metropolitan Police who are coordinating the investigations on historic paedophile abuse.
SECURITY. Allegations against former public of unnatural sexual proclivities Reference: PREM 19/588
Description: SECURITY. Allegations against former public of unnatural sexual proclivities; security aspects
Date: 1980 Oct 27 - 1981 Mar 20 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C11918876
In 2009, Justice Goddard’s former deputy (Judge Michael Lance) was criminally charged with willful vandalism in relation to “keying” of a man’s car in front of his residence. Fifteen years earlier – as Deputy Solicitor General – Lowell Goddard covered up misconduct by Judge Lance in a criminal trial he presided over where his son’s law associate was charged with extortion (and Lance acquitted the man and ordered permanent name suppression).
Theresa May now talking about the potential cover-up issue and assuring us that there is no truth in it whatsoever....
Existing panel scrapped. Still it helps to put the inquiry further into the future
Plenty of time for the remaining suspects to die of natural causes in the comfort of their own beds. I'm growing increasingly convinced no one will ever have to answer for their actions until they are safely 6 foot under.
Theresa May now talking about the potential cover-up issue and assuring us that there is no truth in it whatsoever....
Third time lucky! This is what they should have done all along with the appointment of a Commonwealth judge with zero connections with the British establishment and who isn't mates with/a coverer up for child rapists like Leon Brittan (more than one victim confirms this).
While I think that May has been trying to do the right thing, it's quite clear from what's come out with disappearing dossiers (all copies of which were shredded) and the reports of retired police officers that senior establishment figures were protected from prosecution and there were cover ups to protect their identities thus leaving the paedophiles to rape and murder children at will. This is one of the most shameful and sordid episodes in recent British history.
It does seem the new arrangements are more appropriate. Perhaps the Tories now believe they are going to win the election so there is no point in delaying as they will have to deal with it anyway rather than Labour. If so, May won't be leader but she could still be Home Secretary. I realise that the funeral for Leon Brittan was intended to be private and for family only but am surprised not to have read any newspaper report that it has taken place. Perhaps the influential in the media could say if and when it occurs. It wouldn't in itself be an invasion of privacy.
It does seem the new arrangements are more appropriate. Perhaps the Tories now believe they are going to win the election so there is no point in delaying as they will have to deal with it anyway rather than Labour. If so, May won't be leader but she could still be Home Secretary. I realise that the funeral for Leon Brittan was intended to be private and for family only but am surprised not to have read any newspaper report that it has taken place. Perhaps the influential in the media could say if and when it occurs. It wouldn't in itself be an invasion of privacy.
the inquiry wont be finished before the General Election of 2020
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Is the accused comedy actor still active in showbusiness?
I would urge caution and restraint in respect of naming (and speculating about) living individuals until they've been charged and convicted otherwise this thread could get locked/deleted and any forum members gossiping online about such individuals could end up with the same fate as Sally Bercow, who should have known better: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22652083
James O'Brien deserves a great deal credit for keeping the spotlight on this important issue of child abuse and the abuse of power to cover up the assaults and child rapes. I would also hope that he asks that same question of a senior Metropolitan Police officer live on air (at least things are being properly investigated now, the matter is much more high profile and so a cover up, while still possible, is less likely).
A former children's home manager has been found dead just weeks before he was due to stand trial over alleged historical sex abuse.
John Stingemore, 72, was discovered at his home in St Leonards-on-Sea, East Sussex, on Wednesday afternoon.
Police, who were called to the property following concern about his health, found him collapsed and he was declared dead at the scene.
Sussex Police said his death was not being treated as suspicious.
A post-mortem examination has yet to take place and the case has been passed to the coroner.
"Stingemore was due to stand trial next month at Southwark Crown Court charged with a string of indecent assaults on young boys.
The charges came following an investigation into alleged abuse at Grafton Close Children's Home in Hounslow, west London.
It is part of Operation Fernbridge, a Metropolitan Police investigation into allegations of a Westminster paedophile ring."
Convenient death, perhaps too convenient
Very.
If Sussex Police had any sense they would treat it as suspicious until proven otherwise!
Is that because no one due to stand trial for a serious crime has ever committed suicide before or just because you reckon it seems dodgy?
Why can't both possibilities be considered?
The overall topic that we are discussing here is the possibility of a cover-up of truly mind blowing proportions. Did you think that we were exclusively discussing a "nice" cover up?
Yes, a possibility of a cover up, some posters seem to be convinced there is one without all the facts at hand.
Tory MP who was Thatcher’s confidant 'raped my 14-year-old son at paedophile guest house'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896327/Tory-MP-Thatcher-s-confidant-plied-teenage-boy-wine-raped-guesthouse.html
Thatcher confidant raped boy and police covered crime up
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11323146/Thatcher-confidant-raped-boy-and-police-covered-crime-up.html
Eyewitness 'saw Thatcher aide take boys to abuse'
http://www.channel4.com/news/exclusive-eyewitness-saw-thatcher-aide-take-boys-to-abuse
Peter Morrison and the cover-up in the Tory Party
https://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/10/06/peter-morrison-and-the-cover-up-in-the-tory-party-fully-updated/
My point is that with such a massive whirlwind of rumours about a peodophile ring at the highest levels of the UK establishment, including rumours that the police and secret services took steps to remove evidence, ruling out suspicious circumstances should only be after a thorough investigation, not within hours of the body being discovered.
Remember David Kelly?
yes, suicide,despite what the conspiracy blogs reckon.
I'm not jumping to any conclusions, just expecting an investigation, not an instant dismissal of anything suspicious.
My point was the police announced that it was suicide, but due to pressure there needed to be a massive, costly and very long enquiry. Better to do the ground work in the first place and not wait until forced to.
Former aide to David Cameron arrested on suspicion of raping a 13-year old girl
I should add that it would be inappropriate to engage in idle speculation about this ongoing criminal case. I have some hope that the perpetrators of the historic abuse will now also face justice given that above events.
The USA also experienced a similar child abuse case with children in care being abused by VIPs. The Discovery Channel and Yorkshire Television cooperated to produce a documentary about this matter but so much pressure from above was applied that it was not broadcast in the USA. It is, however, now in the public domain for all to view.
Apparently the file is at the cabinet Office but was not disclosed to the Wanless Enquiry
In another development Sir Bernard Ingham, former press secretary to Mrs Thatcher, has said that allegations were made against a Cabinet Minister in the 1980s and he questioned said minister about them but took the matter no further after the Minister denied the allegations
Yes, I saw that too on Sky News this evening and it's pretty shocking. It does apparently refer to underage paedophile activity hence why Mr Wanless demanded the document's full disclosure. The government should have found and openly disclosed this document first without having been forced to do so. My concern is that this document copy has not even been handed over to the Metropolitan Police who are coordinating the investigations on historic paedophile abuse.
Links:
'Unnatural Sex' File Given To Abuse Inquiry
The secret document was not handed over to a review into child abuse, the chief executive of the NSPCC tells Sky News.
http://news.sky.com/story/1411734/unnatural-sex-file-given-to-abuse-inquiry
SECURITY. Allegations against former public of unnatural sexual proclivities
Reference: PREM 19/588
Description: SECURITY. Allegations against former public of unnatural sexual proclivities; security aspects
Date: 1980 Oct 27 - 1981 Mar 20
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C11918876
That is a disappointing judgement by Thatcher and Hayman should should have at least been charged with child pornography and obscenity offences but he got off scot-free because he was a senior establishment figure.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31130805
Some background...
http://www.kiwisfirst.com/judge-file-index/high-court-justice-lowell-goddard/
Theresa May now talking about the potential cover-up issue and assuring us that there is no truth in it whatsoever....
Plenty of time for the remaining suspects to die of natural causes in the comfort of their own beds. I'm growing increasingly convinced no one will ever have to answer for their actions until they are safely 6 foot under.
Third time lucky! This is what they should have done all along with the appointment of a Commonwealth judge with zero connections with the British establishment and who isn't mates with/a coverer up for child rapists like Leon Brittan (more than one victim confirms this).
While I think that May has been trying to do the right thing, it's quite clear from what's come out with disappearing dossiers (all copies of which were shredded) and the reports of retired police officers that senior establishment figures were protected from prosecution and there were cover ups to protect their identities thus leaving the paedophiles to rape and murder children at will. This is one of the most shameful and sordid episodes in recent British history.
the inquiry wont be finished before the General Election of 2020