I still work - it's a proven way of earning more money.
Yes but working to top up your pension isn't the same as claiming benefits to top up your wages as a lot of low paid working age people are having to do.
Yes but working to top up your pension isn't the same as claiming benefits to top up your wages as a lot of low paid working age people are having to do.
And lets not forget that child care costs so people can go to work have increased 33% in 5 years, wonder how many people have had a 33% pay rise.
if labour were in office now, would all you labourites be cheering or jeering the economic news we have right now?
I don't see how you can do either, yes it is good news that average wages are outpacing inflation at the moment, but according to the Guardian link this "good news" may not last
John Philpott, the director of The Jobs Economist, pointed out that without factoring in bonuses, pay growth remained relatively weak, at 1.7%.
“Although the December bonus season pushed growth in total average weekly earnings above 2%, underlying pay pressure as measured by regular average weekly earnings fell slightly.
“This suggests that the jobs rich economic recovery is still failing to boost labour productivity, which does not bode well for long-term improvement in UK living standards, even if very low price inflation is at present helping to raise real incomes,” he said.
I don't see how you can do either, yes it is good news that average wages are outpacing inflation at the moment, but according to the Guardian link this "good news" may not last
1.7% is still 6 times more than the rate of inflation and as for productivity been saying for sometime that productivity increases would be needed for wages to rise significantly.
1.7% is still 6 times more than the rate of inflation and as for productivity been saying for sometime that productivity increases would be needed for wages to rise significantly.
And after years of no wage increases, 33% rise in child care cost , energy prices have doubled in 10 years, most councils are planing to increse council tax by 1.9% . Just a few examples.
And after years of no wage increases, 33% rise in child care cost , energy prices have doubled in 10 years, most councils are planing to increse council tax by 1.9% . Just a few examples.
That's just it, they give with one hand and take away with the other, which is why overall most people are finding it hard to see any difference.
I think many pensioners would say the same, it's the young, the sick and disabled, the unemployed and the low paid in work who are being hit the hardest.
Hit by what?
Inflation is at record low levels. There's nothing to be hit by
I don't see how you can do either, yes it is good news that average wages are outpacing inflation at the moment, but according to the Guardian link this "good news" may not last
id rather trust economists than a newspaper article. in other news, the chancellor has an unexpected 8 BILLION pound surplus this month due to higher tax receipts. do you think this is good news?
Yet another pointless Tory thread where the OP deliberately ignores the fact that all the economic good news has made absolutely no difference to the polling numbers and the Tories still won't win the election in May - and will at best be the largest party.
Why can't they accept the reality that people judge things through their pay-packet and costs rather than the economic data that vomited out like a bad curry?
Yet another pointless Tory thread where the OP deliberately ignores the fact that all the economic good news has made absolutely no difference to the polling numbers and the Tories still won't win the election in May - and will at best be the largest party.
Why can't they accept the reality that people judge things through their pay-packet and costs rather than the economic data that vomited out like a bad curry?
Because deep down everyone knows that this government has rescued us from a near economic collapse thanks to Gordon Brown.
Was the near economic collapse really caused by Gordon Brown, eh?
Are you really that delusional?
But does mungobrush have a point?
If there is a Financial Crisis which is triggered in Athens, and has it's origins in Athens, and quickly spreads, and spreads to the UK....surely mungobrush is simply pointing out that the Tories will be 100% to blame?
id rather trust economists than a newspaper article. in other news, the chancellor has an unexpected 8 BILLION pound surplus this month due to higher tax receipts. do you think this is good news?
Yes I do, but according to Reuters there usually is a surplus in January, the surplus this January though was boosted by delayed payments of bonuses in the 2013/14 tax year
Which again means there is no saying there will be a surplus next month or the month after, or the month after etc, etc.
January is usually a surplus month due to self-assessment tax return receipts. This year those figures were boosted by delayed payments of bonuses in the 2013/14 tax year..
I do. I'm on less than 10k a year but the increase in the tax free allowance, frozen fuel duty, frozen tv licence and frozen council tax (probably this more than anything) has helped a lot. Under the previous lot, these things rose year on year.
I'm getting under 8k a year and the increase in tax free allowance, frozen fuel duty and frozen council tax has made no difference to me, but the hike in utility bills, VAT and other price rises have.
Hit by what?
Inflation is at record low levels. There's nothing to be hit by
Yes well I guess you're right. I hardly expect the unemployed will be hit by a rise in their benefits, or that working people on low wages will be hit with a pay rise or a rise in their benefits. ;-)
If there is any benefit from this "good news" it's not going to the general public.
Maybe the rich are getting richer?
The general public know what life is costing them. Constantly hitting them with statistics that try to show how rosy everything is, are unbelievably crass. It amazes me how bad modern politics has become at this kind of thing. I would prefer it if all the right wing think tanks and organisations that generate this crap would be ignored by the media. It would also be nice if politicians in government fessed up once in a while and stopped blaming any negativity on - well - anyone else.
The general public know what life is costing them. Constantly hitting them with statistics that try to show how rosy everything is, are unbelievably crass. It amazes me how bad modern politics has become at this kind of thing. I would prefer it if all the right wing think tanks and organisations that generate this crap would be ignored by the media. It would also be nice if politicians in government fessed up once in a while and stopped blaming any negativity on - well - anyone else.
The mean the age of spin doctors we now live in, like this The MoJ's ten-step spin doctor process. MPs are questioning the number of spin doctors checking over government pronouncements before they are released, after a leaked memo revealed just how many Ministry of Justice (MoJ) officials check answers given to parliamentarians.
Internal departmental guidance seen by Politics.co.uk reveals an extraordinary level of control exercised by civil servants over the MoJ's messaging. At least ten people are required to sign off proposed answers before the refined, redrafted text even reaches the minister's office. It takes 15 pages of in-depth instructions for the MoJ to explain to its staff exactly how questions from MPs and peers should be answered. http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2015/01/26/you-won-t-believe-how-many-spin-doctors-are-checking-governm
And after years of no wage increases, 33% rise in child care cost , energy prices have doubled in 10 years, most councils are planing to increse council tax by 1.9% . Just a few examples.
Also massive increases in car and home insurance in the past few years, train, air and bus fares rising by more then inflation.
Sometimes average figures are just no good at describing what is happening to a population.
Average wages could rise for all kinds of reasons without the wages of most people increasing, never mind the wage of the 'average' person.
There's little point in telling people that the economy is on the up because 'average earnings' are on the up, when people know what's in their own pay packet. Most of us have been on pay freezes or below inflation rises for many years now. We've been subject to pay cuts in real terms and it takes more than reading that some other people are getting above inflation pay rises to make me better off.
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Yes but working to top up your pension isn't the same as claiming benefits to top up your wages as a lot of low paid working age people are having to do.
And lets not forget that child care costs so people can go to work have increased 33% in 5 years, wonder how many people have had a 33% pay rise.
Haha. Good catch.
if labour were in office now, would all you labourites be cheering or jeering the economic news we have right now?
I don't see how you can do either, yes it is good news that average wages are outpacing inflation at the moment, but according to the Guardian link this "good news" may not last
1.7% is still 6 times more than the rate of inflation and as for productivity been saying for sometime that productivity increases would be needed for wages to rise significantly.
And after years of no wage increases, 33% rise in child care cost , energy prices have doubled in 10 years, most councils are planing to increse council tax by 1.9% . Just a few examples.
That's just it, they give with one hand and take away with the other, which is why overall most people are finding it hard to see any difference.
Yeah but it’s the public favouring right wing of the Tories and splitting the vote with UKIP that’s stopping that
Hit by what?
Inflation is at record low levels. There's nothing to be hit by
id rather trust economists than a newspaper article. in other news, the chancellor has an unexpected 8 BILLION pound surplus this month due to higher tax receipts. do you think this is good news?
Why can't they accept the reality that people judge things through their pay-packet and costs rather than the economic data that vomited out like a bad curry?
Because deep down everyone knows that this government has rescued us from a near economic collapse thanks to Gordon Brown.
Was the near economic collapse really caused by Gordon Brown, eh?
Are you really that delusional?
But does mungobrush have a point?
If there is a Financial Crisis which is triggered in Athens, and has it's origins in Athens, and quickly spreads, and spreads to the UK....surely mungobrush is simply pointing out that the Tories will be 100% to blame?
Yes I do, but according to Reuters there usually is a surplus in January, the surplus this January though was boosted by delayed payments of bonuses in the 2013/14 tax year
Which again means there is no saying there will be a surplus next month or the month after, or the month after etc, etc.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/02/20/uk-britain-retail-idUKKBN0LO0NU20150220
I'm getting under 8k a year and the increase in tax free allowance, frozen fuel duty and frozen council tax has made no difference to me, but the hike in utility bills, VAT and other price rises have.
Yes well I guess you're right. I hardly expect the unemployed will be hit by a rise in their benefits, or that working people on low wages will be hit with a pay rise or a rise in their benefits. ;-)
rescued?? For real when food banks have been made popular plus jobs are dire
2013, and I was writing that I was unimpressed by Labour. It hardly proves your point.
The general public know what life is costing them. Constantly hitting them with statistics that try to show how rosy everything is, are unbelievably crass. It amazes me how bad modern politics has become at this kind of thing. I would prefer it if all the right wing think tanks and organisations that generate this crap would be ignored by the media. It would also be nice if politicians in government fessed up once in a while and stopped blaming any negativity on - well - anyone else.
The mean the age of spin doctors we now live in, like this The MoJ's ten-step spin doctor process. MPs are questioning the number of spin doctors checking over government pronouncements before they are released, after a leaked memo revealed just how many Ministry of Justice (MoJ) officials check answers given to parliamentarians.
Internal departmental guidance seen by Politics.co.uk reveals an extraordinary level of control exercised by civil servants over the MoJ's messaging. At least ten people are required to sign off proposed answers before the refined, redrafted text even reaches the minister's office. It takes 15 pages of in-depth instructions for the MoJ to explain to its staff exactly how questions from MPs and peers should be answered. http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2015/01/26/you-won-t-believe-how-many-spin-doctors-are-checking-governm
What with that telling post and your continual defence of Labour ever since then, what conclusion should be drawn from that?
Average wages could rise for all kinds of reasons without the wages of most people increasing, never mind the wage of the 'average' person.
There's little point in telling people that the economy is on the up because 'average earnings' are on the up, when people know what's in their own pay packet. Most of us have been on pay freezes or below inflation rises for many years now. We've been subject to pay cuts in real terms and it takes more than reading that some other people are getting above inflation pay rises to make me better off.