When will some people understand that most of us like myself signed the petition for Clarkson to be reinstated ONLY, I'm dam sick of seeing comments saying things like you support violence just because you did, to whom who think this just do one.
So what if it says underneath Freedom To Fracas.
You signing the petition says, by default, I support inappropriate behavior in the work place. There is no right here at all. None negotiable. Non debatable.
When will some people understand that most of us like myself signed the petition for Clarkson to be reinstated ONLY, I'm dam sick of seeing comments saying things like you support violence just because you did, to whom who think this just do one.
So what if it says underneath Freedom To Fracas.
But isn't signing a petition asking for reinstatement at this point in time jumping the gun a bit? He hasn't been uninstated yet. He has just been suspended pending Investigstion as per just about every policy I've ever known.
If he is sacked, wouldn't that be the time to petition? Although it could be argued that the pre-petition drew its teeth a tad.
So many small minded on here really think it is signed in that way? wow
Well, what other interpretation is there?
If it was Tymon who had punched Clarkson, and it was Clarkson who had to go to A&E would a million people have signed a petition to keep Tymon in his job?
No, because Tymon doesn't appear in front of the camera, so wouldn't be missed.
So, it really comes down to 'Clarkson is my favourite presenter, so we need to find an excuse to bend the rules'.
People keep saying about the producer going to A&E, is there any evidence in the public domain at this point that states that Clarkson actually hit him, let alone sent him to A&E?
As far as I can tell the only reports are in a couple of papers that are not known for their accuracy, as can be seen by the large number of contradictory accounts of what happened being reported by the aforementioned papers.
People keep saying about the producer going to A&E, is there any evidence in the public domain at this point that states that Clarkson actually hit him, let alone sent him to A&E?
As far as I can tell the only reports are in a couple of papers that are not known for their accuracy, as can be seen by the large number of contradictory accounts of what happened being reported by the aforementioned papers.
No evidence at all, but the NHS is very good at patient confidentiality.
No evidence at all, but the NHS is very good at patient confidentiality.
Aye, but you would have thought that if it was a busted lip or something one of the many many photographers employed by the papers would possibly have got a picture, or one of the staff at the hotel might have said so on the record etc, after all they manage to get pictures of celebs in all sorts of unlikely places (but then, I guess if they're not currently hacking phones it makes it a bit harder to work out where someone will be in time to send a photographer)..
At the moment from what I can tell about all that we know is that there was a "fracas" involving Clarkson and the producer.
Somehow that's evolved in the papers to him having sent the guy to A&E, and that apparently Clarkson is having an affair and in need of two hip replacements, by way of it being an argument, shoving, a fist fight, shoving, shouting and so on.
If it turns out that it was just an argument (voice raised) it's going to make a lot of people who jumped to the conclusion that Clarkson beat the guy half to death look rather silly (and would be interesting to see if any of the papers apologise for their reporting)..
People keep saying about the producer going to A&E, is there any evidence in the public domain at this point that states that Clarkson actually hit him, let alone sent him to A&E?
As far as I can tell the only reports are in a couple of papers that are not known for their accuracy, as can be seen by the large number of contradictory accounts of what happened being reported by the aforementioned papers.
The Daily Mail claimed he was sent to A&E with a heavily bleeding gashed lip but i believe that as much as i believe i'll win the lottery!
The same paper with an open secret for hating the BBC so anything they can fabricate they do.
That's OK, condescending remarks always backfire. Maybe when you rack up a few more posts you'll learn about that. Maybe not.
See what I did there?
If producer is happy and Clarkson is happy, they'll be good to go. The BBC can try to stick the knife in all they want, but if both come out saying "look lads, can we just move on?", then that is what will happen. Islington Latte Cohen can gnash his teeth all he wants at that point, but he won't commit professional suicide by standing against absolutely everyone.
People keep saying about the producer going to A&E, is there any evidence in the public domain at this point that states that Clarkson actually hit him, let alone sent him to A&E?
He could have easily clarified himself. Wouldn't have broken confidentiality to say "yes, I went to A & E with a busted lip", LOL.
That's OK, condescending remarks always backfire. Maybe when you rack up a few more posts you'll learn about that. Maybe not.
See what I did there?
If producer is happy and Clarkson is happy, they'll be good to go. The BBC can try to stick the knife in all they want, but if both come out saying "look lads, can we just move on?", then that is what will happen. Islington Latte Cohen can gnash his teeth all he wants at that point, but he won't commit professional suicide by standing against absolutely everyone.
Ah...have you revealed your real agenda here?
Listen, did you miss the part where I mentioned 'disciplinary procedures'? This is not a playground tiff...a potentially serious incident has occurred in the workplace...this requires an appropriate response in line with the organisations's disciplinary procedures. You seem to take a very casual attitude towards this...just because you like the person involved. Would you be affording the same to someone you didn't like?
People keep going on about workplace laws, etc as if Top Gear was like a normal office. Do people not see that Clarkson, Hammond & May regularly risk their lives during filming, look what happened to Hammond so it's a completely different scenario to your everyday job. Also if Clarkson is sacked, Top Gear won't survive so all involved with it will lose their jobs, including the producers
People keep going on about workplace laws, etc as if Top Gear was like a normal office. Do people not see that Clarkson, Hammond & May regularly risk their lives during filming, look what happened to Hammond so it's a completely different scenario to your everyday job.
Agree with you. It isn't a normal work situation. The producers are there to ensure everything is OK for the stars, including meals. That is the reality of how the industry works. The media show this week on Radio 4 pretty much said as much , from a 3 person panel of top TV Execs. If they sack Hammond for this they could open the floodgates for similar complaints. It wouldn't surprise me, that both sides come out of this poorly.
Afterthought: If that does happen, perhaps those people who lose their jobs should sue Clarkson?
The beeb have been more than happy for Clarkson being controversial over the years as he's made them shed loads of money so if he does get the sack, if I was him I'd be suing for constructive dismissal - all those years being controversial and only in the last year since Cohen has been in charge does he start to get warnings
The beeb have been more than happy for Clarkson being controversial over the years as he's made them shed loads of money so if he does get the sack, if I was him I'd be suing for constructive dismissal - all those years being controversial and only in the last year since Cohen has been in charge does he start to get warnings
The so-called "controversial" stuff is a massive red herring. If Clarkson does get sacked it'll be because he punched someone in the face and put them in hospital, not because he made a few jokes about Mexicans etc. I'd like to see him win that constructive dismissal case.
The beeb have been more than happy for Clarkson being controversial over the years as he's made them shed loads of money so if he does get the sack, if I was him I'd be suing for constructive dismissal - all those years being controversial and only in the last year since Cohen has been in charge does he start to get warnings
Its no secret that Danny Cohen hates Clarkson. Always has and its why he has been taken out of the investigation all-together.
The so-called "controversial" stuff is a massive red herring. If Clarkson does get sacked it'll be because he punched someone in the face and put them in hospital, not because he made a few jokes about Mexicans etc. I'd like to see him win that constructive dismissal case.
Agree IF he's hit someone but the other thing is he is under contract not employed so all they need so is not renew the contract anyway which coincidentally runs out in days.
The so-called "controversial" stuff is a massive red herring. If Clarkson does get sacked it'll be because he punched someone in the face and put them in hospital, not because he made a few jokes about Mexicans etc. I'd like to see him win that constructive dismissal case.
There's been more than a few comments on here about how he should be sacked because he's on a final warning. Maybe Hammond should look to sue the beeb as he suffered more than a split lip '- a duty of care works all ways
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No read my last post again.
Do you really think 1 million of those that signed condone violence or even say 50k? feel free to discuss us thugs as you wish.
You signing the petition says, by default, I support inappropriate behavior in the work place. There is no right here at all. None negotiable. Non debatable.
But isn't signing a petition asking for reinstatement at this point in time jumping the gun a bit? He hasn't been uninstated yet. He has just been suspended pending Investigstion as per just about every policy I've ever known.
If he is sacked, wouldn't that be the time to petition? Although it could be argued that the pre-petition drew its teeth a tad.
Well, what other interpretation is there?
If it was Tymon who had punched Clarkson, and it was Clarkson who had to go to A&E would a million people have signed a petition to keep Tymon in his job?
No, because Tymon doesn't appear in front of the camera, so wouldn't be missed.
So, it really comes down to 'Clarkson is my favourite presenter, so we need to find an excuse to bend the rules'.
Which is, of course, completely wrong.
As far as I can tell the only reports are in a couple of papers that are not known for their accuracy, as can be seen by the large number of contradictory accounts of what happened being reported by the aforementioned papers.
No evidence at all, but the NHS is very good at patient confidentiality.
Aye, but you would have thought that if it was a busted lip or something one of the many many photographers employed by the papers would possibly have got a picture, or one of the staff at the hotel might have said so on the record etc, after all they manage to get pictures of celebs in all sorts of unlikely places (but then, I guess if they're not currently hacking phones it makes it a bit harder to work out where someone will be in time to send a photographer)..
At the moment from what I can tell about all that we know is that there was a "fracas" involving Clarkson and the producer.
Somehow that's evolved in the papers to him having sent the guy to A&E, and that apparently Clarkson is having an affair and in need of two hip replacements, by way of it being an argument, shoving, a fist fight, shoving, shouting and so on.
If it turns out that it was just an argument (voice raised) it's going to make a lot of people who jumped to the conclusion that Clarkson beat the guy half to death look rather silly (and would be interesting to see if any of the papers apologise for their reporting)..
BBC are best rid of his type.
The Daily Mail claimed he was sent to A&E with a heavily bleeding gashed lip but i believe that as much as i believe i'll win the lottery!
The same paper with an open secret for hating the BBC so anything they can fabricate they do.
That's OK, condescending remarks always backfire. Maybe when you rack up a few more posts you'll learn about that. Maybe not.
See what I did there?
If producer is happy and Clarkson is happy, they'll be good to go. The BBC can try to stick the knife in all they want, but if both come out saying "look lads, can we just move on?", then that is what will happen. Islington Latte Cohen can gnash his teeth all he wants at that point, but he won't commit professional suicide by standing against absolutely everyone.
He could have easily clarified himself. Wouldn't have broken confidentiality to say "yes, I went to A & E with a busted lip", LOL.
So my guess is he didn't.
Thanks for sharing, good job you have a remote control hu.
Ah...have you revealed your real agenda here?
Listen, did you miss the part where I mentioned 'disciplinary procedures'? This is not a playground tiff...a potentially serious incident has occurred in the workplace...this requires an appropriate response in line with the organisations's disciplinary procedures. You seem to take a very casual attitude towards this...just because you like the person involved. Would you be affording the same to someone you didn't like?
I agree. Be belongs to a bygone era.
Or, he has been advised not to talk to the press while the disipinary/review/whatever you want to call it is resolved.
Afterthought: If that does happen, perhaps those people who lose their jobs should sue Clarkson?
Agree with you. It isn't a normal work situation. The producers are there to ensure everything is OK for the stars, including meals. That is the reality of how the industry works. The media show this week on Radio 4 pretty much said as much , from a 3 person panel of top TV Execs. If they sack Hammond for this they could open the floodgates for similar complaints. It wouldn't surprise me, that both sides come out of this poorly.
The beeb have been more than happy for Clarkson being controversial over the years as he's made them shed loads of money so if he does get the sack, if I was him I'd be suing for constructive dismissal - all those years being controversial and only in the last year since Cohen has been in charge does he start to get warnings
Its no secret that Danny Cohen hates Clarkson. Always has and its why he has been taken out of the investigation all-together.
Agree IF he's hit someone but the other thing is he is under contract not employed so all they need so is not renew the contract anyway which coincidentally runs out in days.
There's been more than a few comments on here about how he should be sacked because he's on a final warning. Maybe Hammond should look to sue the beeb as he suffered more than a split lip '- a duty of care works all ways