The problem with this is that it would open them up to unfair dismissal suits if in the future they have to fire someone else for assault, and in the meantime it sends a message that if you're important enough to the BBC you can do anything you want. Other BBC stars have been fired for a single transgression, not the several second chances Clarkson has had for things he has said
He broke the rules massively here, and the amount of money he makes the company shouldn't come into it. Saying the odd thing out of turn, or mostly manufactured outrage like the Argentinian number plate thing can be glossed over but this is too far
This is correct. A final warning is what it is.....final. Quite what the period is before that is spent depends on the employers t&c's, but Clarkson was obviously still under final warning terms at the time of the assault.
Sending him to rehab, anger management courses, a fine or doing charity work etc......just where do you draw the line?
We are talking about a 54 year old man here FGS, not some OOC teenage tearaway glue sniffing reprobate.
He had a job that paid handsomely for doing very little in the way of hard graft which gave him a lifestyle other people could only ever fantasise about.
I've no doubt by the following day when he'd sobered up he would have reflected on what he'd done and the consequences bound to follow, hence the reason he attempted to make contact with Tymon. But it was too late, the damage had been done and nobody but Clarkson did that.
Had Tymon smacked Clarkson in the face.....do you really think he'd still have a job? He'd have been instantly dismissed.
This is correct. A final warning is what it is.....final.
Quite what the period is before that is spent depends on the employers t&c's, but Clarkson was obviously still under final warning terms at the time of the assault.
He may well have been under final warning terms, but you're right, infringements after a final warning are not necessarily an automatic termination offence depending on the employer, which was kind of my point.
He may well have been under final warning terms, but you're right, infringements after a final warning are not necessarily an automatic termination offence depending on the employer, which was kind of my point.
It generally means you are on borrowed time. Put a foot wrong during that period and you will be through the door because the employer has gone through all the procedures, used up all the warnings, usually verbal then written, with the final leaving them nowhere else to go.
It generally means you are on borrowed time. Put a foot wrong during that period and you will be through the door because the employer has gone through all the procedures, used up all the warnings, usually verbal then written, with the final leaving them nowhere else to go.
I know what it means, but there has been a lot of emphasis on the final warning, as if any infraction following a final warning always meant that was it, you're gone. That may well be the case at the BBC, but your post simply confirmed what I was trying to convey, that this isn't automatically so, depending on employer, circumstances etc.
I know what it means, but there has been a lot of emphasis on the final warning, as if any infraction following a final warning always meant that was it, you're gone. That may well be the case at the BBC, but your post simply confirmed what I was trying to convey, that this isn't automatically so, depending on employer, circumstances etc.
It's the BBC, though, the last bastion of correct English usage. If THEY don't mean "final" when they mean "final", then we may as well all give up.
(Yes, DC Comics, I am looking at YOU with your "Infinite Crisis" LIMITED series and your "Final Crisis" which wasn't even the last crisis).
He fessed up because he was aware of the independent witnesses and knew he was in the sh*t.
How long between the incident and him reporting it/himself?
Clarkson should be thankful the bloke didn't give him clattering, 'sounds' like he asked for it., probably feared for his job/reputation.
Where was May and Hammond while all this kicked off?
The other pair as Clarkson's 'mates' don't come out of this too well IMO either, didn't have the balls to take him in hand, tell him he was acting the c*** and forcibly march him off to bed before he went too far.
It's the BBC, though, the last bastion of correct English usage. If THEY don't mean "final" when they mean "final", then we may as well all give up.
This did cross my mind. (One of my favourite BBC traits is how newsreaders and presenters go to great lengths to ensure the name of every person, place or thing is pronounced proper with great effort and emphasis)
Where was May and Hammond while all this kicked off?
The other pair as Clarkson's 'mates' don't come out of this too well IMO either, didn't have the balls to take him in hand, tell him he was acting the c*** and forcibly march him off to bed before he went too far.
Reportedly, one of them did jump in between the pair, but it is unclear which one.
I know what it means, but there has been a lot of emphasis on the final warning, as if any infraction following a final warning always meant that was it, you're gone. That may well be the case at the BBC, but your post simply confirmed what I was trying to convey, that this isn't automatically so, depending on employer, circumstances etc.
Yes, bad employers will ignore a final warning, You must have worked in some s**t places!
This thread has gone a further 34 pages since his sacking and much of the same pros/cons are still be argued as when he was originally suspended.
Perhaps we enjoy discussing it... perhaps there is a friendly DS family feeling vibe in this thread now and we enjoy the casual Clarkson related chit chat and trivia... perhaps some people are still waiting for the facts to come out, like facts that match how they feel the situation really went and they're going to damn well wait until those facts are revealed not the nonsense PC madness facts we have now... or perhaps this being DS maybe somebody wants the last word (I'm winning).
How long between the incident and him reporting it/himself?
Clarkson should be thankful the bloke didn't give him clattering, 'sounds' like he asked for it., probably feared for his job/reputation.
Where was May and Hammond while all this kicked off?
The other pair as Clarkson's 'mates' don't come out of this too well IMO either, didn't have the balls to take him in hand, tell him he was acting the c*** and forcibly march him off to bed before he went too far.
I can't see how May and Hammond have anything to do with this and we have no idea if they were even there or not or if they tried to intervene.
The only thing we know for sure is that there was an altercation between Clarkson and the producer and it seems every one agrees that it was Clarkson who was entirely at fault and that includes Clarkson himself who reported himself.
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They're not interested at the moment.
Sending him to rehab, anger management courses, a fine or doing charity work etc......just where do you draw the line?
We are talking about a 54 year old man here FGS, not some OOC teenage tearaway glue sniffing reprobate.
He had a job that paid handsomely for doing very little in the way of hard graft which gave him a lifestyle other people could only ever fantasise about.
I've no doubt by the following day when he'd sobered up he would have reflected on what he'd done and the consequences bound to follow, hence the reason he attempted to make contact with Tymon. But it was too late, the damage had been done and nobody but Clarkson did that.
Had Tymon smacked Clarkson in the face.....do you really think he'd still have a job? He'd have been instantly dismissed.
Honest admission? I don't think so.
He fessed up because he was aware of the independent witnesses and knew he was in the sh*t.
He may well have been under final warning terms, but you're right, infringements after a final warning are not necessarily an automatic termination offence depending on the employer, which was kind of my point.
I know what it means, but there has been a lot of emphasis on the final warning, as if any infraction following a final warning always meant that was it, you're gone. That may well be the case at the BBC, but your post simply confirmed what I was trying to convey, that this isn't automatically so, depending on employer, circumstances etc.
Although on the plus side, he'd probably have got fewer death threats from the Clarkson brigade.
It's the BBC, though, the last bastion of correct English usage. If THEY don't mean "final" when they mean "final", then we may as well all give up.
(Yes, DC Comics, I am looking at YOU with your "Infinite Crisis" LIMITED series and your "Final Crisis" which wasn't even the last crisis).
How long between the incident and him reporting it/himself?
Clarkson should be thankful the bloke didn't give him clattering, 'sounds' like he asked for it., probably feared for his job/reputation.
Where was May and Hammond while all this kicked off?
The other pair as Clarkson's 'mates' don't come out of this too well IMO either, didn't have the balls to take him in hand, tell him he was acting the c*** and forcibly march him off to bed before he went too far.
This did cross my mind. (One of my favourite BBC traits is how newsreaders and presenters go to great lengths to ensure the name of every person, place or thing is pronounced proper with great effort and emphasis)
Reportedly, one of them did jump in between the pair, but it is unclear which one.
Yes, bad employers will ignore a final warning, You must have worked in some s**t places!
Check both for black eye covered by make-up?:D
She tries too hard.
I've got Final Countdown, the 1986 hit, going round my head now!:D
Well they find stuff to talk about in that Shrien Dewani Trial thread, and he was cleared and went home three years ago. Or so it feels.
It was Hammond, but as he was below waist level, neither Tymon nor Clarkson noticed him.
Until he headbutted one....
Concealed by Clarkson's paunch no doubt.
This thread has gone a further 34 pages since his sacking and much of the same pros/cons are still be argued as when he was originally suspended.
An apt, BBC type response to this might be "Other threads are available"
Perhaps we enjoy discussing it... perhaps there is a friendly DS family feeling vibe in this thread now and we enjoy the casual Clarkson related chit chat and trivia... perhaps some people are still waiting for the facts to come out, like facts that match how they feel the situation really went and they're going to damn well wait until those facts are revealed not the nonsense PC madness facts we have now... or perhaps this being DS maybe somebody wants the last word (I'm winning).
I can't see how May and Hammond have anything to do with this and we have no idea if they were even there or not or if they tried to intervene.
The only thing we know for sure is that there was an altercation between Clarkson and the producer and it seems every one agrees that it was Clarkson who was entirely at fault and that includes Clarkson himself who reported himself.
Source?