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Irish Constitutional Referendum on Gay Marriage - May 2015

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    Vinnie VegaVinnie Vega Posts: 240
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    It's the kids I feel sorry for.
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    anne_666anne_666 Posts: 72,891
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    Indeed, but it depends on what voting system is used, was the popular vote near the two thirds majority the US Congress needs in order to amend their Constitution ?

    I've always believed that two thirds vote was a true , safe constitutional system, 66 % is an undoubted majority, 50.5 % is just a nipple over the finish line, and you have a large pissed off minority.

    It didn't happen and Ireland is not the US. .:confused:
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    cnbcwatchercnbcwatcher Posts: 56,681
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    Terry N wrote: »
    Don't know. Maybe because it's a conservative and religious country.

    It used to be, but it's not like that any more. There are still some older people who are very conservative in their views, but I guess they're set in their ways. A lot of people are actually quite progressive and they don't all go to Mass every week any more. I do wish they'd take Communion and Confirmation out of the schools though.
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    KarlSomethingKarlSomething Posts: 3,529
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    Paul237 wrote: »
    Over 62% of Irish people voted yes to same sex marriage. That's a sizeable majority whichever way you look at it.

    62% of those who participated in the vote.

    The rest presumably don't care enough either way, save for a probably small number of people who couldn't make it.
    It's the kids I feel sorry for.

    Because more children in need of parents might be adopted now?
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    Paul237Paul237 Posts: 8,657
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    62% of those who participated in the vote.

    The rest presumably don't care enough either way, save for a probably small number of people who couldn't make it.



    Because more children in need of parents might be adopted now?

    Well, of course only the votes of the people who could be bothered to show up can be counted. But that applies to any election/referendum. ;)
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    irishfeenirishfeen Posts: 10,025
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    Paul237 wrote: »
    Over 62% of Irish people voted yes to same sex marriage. That's a sizeable majority whichever way you look at it.
    People thought the Scottish referendum was a landslide ... Ladies and gents this was a landslide!
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    Paul237Paul237 Posts: 8,657
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    irishfeen wrote: »
    People thought the Scottish referendum was a landslide ... Ladies and gents this was a landslide!

    It's also great that all but one constituency voted the same way, because no one can accuse the cities of holding up a narrow majority; the result fairly represents all corners of the country.

    There's not much for the naysayers to pick apart. :)
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    Vinnie VegaVinnie Vega Posts: 240
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    62% of those who participated in the vote.

    The rest presumably don't care enough either way, save for a probably small number of people who couldn't make it.



    Because more children in need of parents might be adopted now?


    They'd stand a better chance of a balanced upbringing in an orphanage, but hey , who cares as long as it's right on ?
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    irishfeenirishfeen Posts: 10,025
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    abecern wrote: »
    Social change may come but will always have limits. In many other cultures they will never approve gay marriage. We have ISIS throwing **** off building tops. Western culture is very different. Homosexuality is a Western concept.
    If Ireland approves gay marriage via a popular vote it transforms the world ...
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    anne_666anne_666 Posts: 72,891
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    It's the kids I feel sorry for.

    Why? They're not being forced into same sex marriage are they?:o
    Nor is anyone else, just equal rights for all.
    Not interested in any nonsense about people who marry suddenly becoming broody. Marriage is a choice nowadays and people can choose to have children outside of it, without care about or fear of chosen bigoted religious disapproval. Not interested in the fantasy of gay parents cannot be good parents either. Prove it. Heterosexual parents are such an exemplary model in that role? No. Any combination of parents can be good parents and if anything I hope more children awaiting adoption getting much needed loving parents, may be an outcome.
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    KarlSomethingKarlSomething Posts: 3,529
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    They'd stand a better chance of a balanced upbringing in an orphanage, but hey , who cares as long as it's right on ?

    Why would that be? What's in an orphanage that a child living in a home with parents wouldn't have access to?
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    FizzbinFizzbin Posts: 36,827
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    Why would that be? What's in an orphanage that a child living in a home with parents wouldn't have access to?
    Catholic Priests most likely.
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    anne_666anne_666 Posts: 72,891
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    They'd stand a better chance of a balanced upbringing in an orphanage, but hey , who cares as long as it's right on ?

    Please provide links to the evidence of your claim.

    Why hasn't your username got an underscore?:D
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    I don't think anyone thought the Scottish Referendum was a landslide, it was 54/46, unless you mean the turnout which was HUGE..

    The SNP getting 56 seats out of 59 in the UK GE, now that is a landslide, plus a tsunami .
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    leicslad46leicslad46 Posts: 3,370
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    With all due respect to all posters . Ireland is considered to be a catholic country with deep family traditions where the family unit is man and woman. Same sex marriage doesnt fit in that unit. I am shocked that ireland have voted the way that they have. Just saying
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    KarlSomethingKarlSomething Posts: 3,529
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    leicslad46 wrote: »
    With all due respect to all posters . Ireland is considered to be a catholic country with deep family traditions where the family unit is man and woman. Same sex marriage doesnt fit in that unit. I am shocked that ireland have voted the way that they have. Just saying

    Maybe Catholicism doesn't fit Ireland.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 872
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    I'm not sure the UK understand the significance of ref results purely on numbers. No disrespect but behind Switzerland in Europe refs, Ireland are prob in second place, we get the gist here.. I've already read too many ignorant comments on the Dailymail webside, I just had to click ouf of it. In a referendum, any referendum, above 60% is a resounding success, the people over in the DM just don't get it
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    sutiesutie Posts: 32,645
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    They'd stand a better chance of a balanced upbringing in an orphanage, but hey , who cares as long as it's right on ?



    Because they definitely receive unconditional love in an orphanage don't they? :(
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    lightdragonlightdragon Posts: 19,059
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    leicslad46 wrote: »
    With all due respect to all posters . Ireland is considered to be a catholic country with deep family traditions where the family unit is man and woman. Same sex marriage doesnt fit in that unit. I am shocked that ireland have voted the way that they have. Just saying

    I think the difference is what people consider it is and what it actually is. The idea of the family unit being a man and woman died a long time ago, somewhere around the time we stopped hiding young unwed women and proudly accepted single parents. ;-)

    And the NO campaign made no sense with it's "well it's not their fault the child has one parent, but two parents of same sex is worse somehow".
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    leicslad46 wrote: »
    With all due respect to all posters . Ireland is considered to be a catholic country with deep family traditions where the family unit is man and woman. Same sex marriage doesnt fit in that unit. I am shocked that ireland have voted the way that they have. Just saying

    Maybe homosexuality is more prevalent in rural Ireland that we all thought, certainly in the priesthood [ sorry, that's a cheap shot. ].

    It seems the urban leftie tossbags in the Dublin metro area have greviously misjudged the provincial Irish peasant as a unsophisticated bigot
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    anne_666anne_666 Posts: 72,891
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    I'm not sure the UK understand the significance of ref results purely on numbers. No disrespect but behind Switzerland in Europe refs, Ireland are prob in second place, we get the gist here.. I've already read too many ignorant comments on the Dailymail webside, I just had to click ouf of it. In a referendum, any referendum, above 60% is a resounding success, the people over in the DM just don't get it

    No, the insecure, sneering, falsely superior homophobes and religious homophobic bigots can't stand anyone not sharing their inhumane toxic viewpoint. Or anyone who's a decent human being.
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    lightdragonlightdragon Posts: 19,059
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    It seems the urban leftie tossbags in the Dublin metro area have greviously misjudged the provincial Irish peasant as a unsophisticated bigot

    You mean because the Dublin metro tosspot thought the provincial peasant would vote NO and they voted YES?
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    anne_666anne_666 Posts: 72,891
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    I think the difference is what people consider it is and what it actually is. The idea of the family unit being a man and woman died a long time ago, somewhere around the time we stopped hiding young unwed women and proudly accepted single parents. ;-)

    And the NO campaign made no sense with it's "well it's not their fault the child has one parent, but two parents of same sex is worse somehow".

    Well said, I could add quite a bit more. Religious hypocrisy and bigotry is now seen for what it is, sickening and unacceptable.
    Lets see how long it takes for an about turn from the over privileged and money obsessed cosy enclave of the Vatican.
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    leicslad46 wrote: »
    With all due respect to all posters . Ireland is considered to be a catholic country with deep family traditions where the family unit is man and woman. Same sex marriage doesnt fit in that unit. I am shocked that ireland have voted the way that they have. Just saying

    Some might say that England is renowned for drunken, abusive, racist and rampant hooliganism within their football support. Countries throughput europe may fear such fans entering our countries for fear they may rip up our stadia, destroy our streets, brick the windows of our shops and run havoc in our European cities. I reckon the above description of the average English football fan is wholly inaccurate.
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    LykkieLiLykkieLi Posts: 6,644
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    leicslad46 wrote: »
    With all due respect to all posters . Ireland is considered to be a catholic country with deep family traditions where the family unit is man and woman. Same sex marriage doesnt fit in that unit. I am shocked that ireland have voted the way that they have. Just saying

    The silent majority speaks up in situations like this. It's great!
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