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24-hour drinking was 'best thing Labour ever did', says report

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Public health and order improved after the drinking laws were changed in 2005.

Alcohol consumption per person has fallen by 17 per cent since pubs and clubs were allowed to serve through the night, it said - the largest decline since the Thirties.

Fewer under-45s are binge drinking and violent crime is down 40 per cent.


Christopher Snowdon, director of lifestyle economics at the Institute of Economic Affairs, a champion of free markets, said: "The hysteria about so-called 24-hour drinking ranks as one of the great moral panics of our time, but the evidence is now clear: the doom-mongers were wrong.

"The biggest consequence of relaxing licensing laws has been that the public are now better able to enjoy a drink at the time and location of their choice.“
"Facilitating longer opening hours may have been the best thing the Labour Party ever did."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/shopping-and-consumer-news/11617185/24-hour-drinking-was-best-thing-Labour-ever-did-says-report.html


Quite a libertarian move by New Labour this one.
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    TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    The best thing?

    Does he have a book to sell or is he a loony.
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    LandisLandis Posts: 14,867
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    Seems hard to believe.

    But if you can convince me that: The Police vans, sitting in every high street in the UK, for most of the night, have vanished at some point between 2005 and now, thus freeing up astonishing levels of Police resources to deal with other threats in the near future, all because there has been a miraculous transformation in the behaviour of drinkers......I am listening carefully.
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    LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    I think social media (having the chance that photos of you in a compromising state could be available forever is a, pardon the pun, sobering thought) and the ever increasing cost of living probably paid a greater part than 24 hour opening.
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    Jol44 wrote: »
    Public health and order improved after the drinking laws were changed in 2005.

    Alcohol consumption per person has fallen by 17 per cent since pubs and clubs were allowed to serve through the night, it said - the largest decline since the Thirties.

    Fewer under-45s are binge drinking and violent crime is down 40 per cent.


    Christopher Snowdon, director of lifestyle economics at the Institute of Economic Affairs, a champion of free markets, said: "The hysteria about so-called 24-hour drinking ranks as one of the great moral panics of our time, but the evidence is now clear: the doom-mongers were wrong.

    "The biggest consequence of relaxing licensing laws has been that the public are now better able to enjoy a drink at the time and location of their choice.“
    "Facilitating longer opening hours may have been the best thing the Labour Party ever did."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/shopping-and-consumer-news/11617185/24-hour-drinking-was-best-thing-Labour-ever-did-says-report.html


    Quite a libertarian move by New Labour this one.

    What does Andy Burnham think of the 24hr Laws?
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    allaortaallaorta Posts: 19,050
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    The list of other things must be truly horrifying.
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    tony321tony321 Posts: 10,594
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    Unlimited drinking and relaxing the gaming laws were 2 of the worst things Labour ever did and have had horrific consequences
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    bspacebspace Posts: 14,303
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    tony321 wrote: »
    Unlimited drinking and relaxing the gaming laws were 2 of the worst things Labour ever did and have had horrific consequences

    As the OP was kind enough to provide a link containing evidence to the contrary I'm assuming you can resipricate. Or are you just repeating you're ill founded prejuces.
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    Whatever the reason, consumption of alcohol has certainly fallen among the young. That's a good thing.
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    LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    Jol44 wrote: »
    Whatever the reason, consumption of alcohol has certainly fallen among the young. That's a good thing.

    Not if you're a pub landlord or own a brewery.

    As someone who rarely drinks, and been that way for decades, I'm looking forward to going out and not being the only person in my group who doesn't drink. Hasn't happened yet, though people I'm with do seem to drink less, but that might be age more than wisdom.
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    vauxhall1964vauxhall1964 Posts: 10,368
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    Jol44 wrote: »


    Quite a libertarian move by New Labour this one.

    Naive. They did it to please big business..and with zero concern for the effects on individuals, families or communities. It was .. as was so often true with New Labour ... all about the MONEY.
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    LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    Naive. They did it to please big business..and with zero concern for the effects on individuals, families or communities. It was .. as was so often true with New Labour ... all about the MONEY.

    Which is why many people don't bother voting. They see a choice of government between one form of Tories and another form under a different name. Same results though.
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    vauxhall1964vauxhall1964 Posts: 10,368
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    Jol44 wrote: »
    Whatever the reason, consumption of alcohol has certainly fallen among the young. That's a good thing.

    which of course has absolutely nothing to do with the exponential growth in the non-drinking Muslim proportion of the young. You need to think this through better.
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    LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    which of course has absolutely nothing to do with the exponential growth in the non-drinking Muslim proportion of the young. You need to think this through better.

    Did you pass maths at school? I think you need to do some revision on what exponential growth actually looks like. Also, here's a word for you to pass on to your English teacher for spelling tests: Hyperbole.
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    angarrackangarrack Posts: 5,493
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    allaorta wrote: »
    The list of other things must be truly horrifying.

    Exactly what I was thinking.

    "Facilitating longer opening hours may have been the best thing the Labour Party ever did" - Christopher Snowdon.

    What, better than the National Health Service?

    Who is this lunatic?
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    vauxhall1964vauxhall1964 Posts: 10,368
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    Lyricalis wrote: »
    Did you pass maths at school? I think you need to do some revision on what exponential growth actually looks like. Also, here's a word for you to pass on to your English teacher for spelling tests: Hyperbole.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/exponential

    4. "Very rapid".

    That'll do me.
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    LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/exponential

    4. "Very rapid".

    That'll do me.

    Linear rather than exponential though. That's an important difference.
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    LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    angarrack wrote: »
    Exactly what I was thinking.

    "Facilitating longer opening hours may have been the best thing the Labour Party ever did" - Christopher Snowdon.

    What, better than the National Health Service?

    Who is this lunatic?

    He's 'a champion of free markets' so he probably thinks the NHS is a communist plot. You can't expect people like this to have a realistic perspective on things.
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    Naive. They did it to please big business..and with zero concern for the effects on individuals, families or communities. It was .. as was so often true with New Labour ... all about the MONEY.

    Is that why they banned smoking in pubs too and introduced the minimum wage?
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    Regis MagnaeRegis Magnae Posts: 6,810
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    I don't believe 24hr drinking laws tell the whole story.
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    andyknandykn Posts: 66,849
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    Naive. They did it to please big business..and with zero concern for the effects on individuals, families or communities. It was .. as was so often true with New Labour ... all about the MONEY.

    How did it help big business?
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    andyknandykn Posts: 66,849
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    Lyricalis wrote: »
    Not if you're a pub landlord or own a brewery.

    As someone who rarely drinks,
    Your earlier comment about the prevalence of social media rather gives that away. As someone who drank a lot when younger I can assure you that none of any of my drinking circles gave a monkeys about discretion after the first one or two. I doubt that's the cause.
    and been that way for decades, I'm looking forward to going out and not being the only person in my group who doesn't drink. Hasn't happened yet, though people I'm with do seem to drink less, but that might be age more than wisdom.

    The thing I found was that, just because I stopped drinking, none of the people I'd known for years, as drinking buddies, stopped drinking. I'd never developed interests or friends that didn't involve drinking. And I don't socialise with that many people under 45, those who are less likely to drink according to this report.
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    ShaunIOWShaunIOW Posts: 11,333
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    More likely binge drinking and people going to pubs has dropped due to the smoking ban and consequently a lot of pubs closing as people started to drink more at home, so not so many staggering home from pubs. As for best thing, I'd say the minimum wage.
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    TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    Christopher Snowdon is another one of those people with social blindness and an agenda.

    And it's his claim that alcohol consumption has declined, his claim that fewer under-45s are binge drinking, his claim that violent [alcohol related] crime is down 40 per cent. He cannot prove any of it.

    He has no credibility, so no surprise the Telegraph is giving him a soapbox from which to lecture.
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    stoatiestoatie Posts: 78,106
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    Not sure it's wise to draw a direct correlation as there are too many other factors in play, as has been pointed out. But staggered closing times does seem to have reduced the amount of 11:30 street violence in my experience.
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    CharnhamCharnham Posts: 61,438
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    Lyricalis wrote: »
    Not if you're a pub landlord or own a brewery.
    true, but we live our lives for ourselves, not for companys looking to profit from us.
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