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Should big corporations support gay rights?
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Owen Jones doesn't think so
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2015/jun/29/lgbt-movement-hijacked-big-business-video#comment-54673261
I think he's got a point (
). Too many companies are using gay rights as a moral fig leaf and even the Tories are at it by using the threat of homophobic 'extremism' to extend the state's control over children.
However he falls into his usual trap of assuming that the LGBT 'movement' is just another branch of left-wing politics. I wonder how Owen feels about gay conservatives.
I'd also be interested to hear what his reaction would be to a big corporation which DIDN'T support gay rights.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2015/jun/29/lgbt-movement-hijacked-big-business-video#comment-54673261
I think he's got a point (
). Too many companies are using gay rights as a moral fig leaf and even the Tories are at it by using the threat of homophobic 'extremism' to extend the state's control over children.However he falls into his usual trap of assuming that the LGBT 'movement' is just another branch of left-wing politics. I wonder how Owen feels about gay conservatives.
I'd also be interested to hear what his reaction would be to a big corporation which DIDN'T support gay rights.
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I think the whole thing is getting boring,there will always be opposition to certain things,but the world needs a rest from pressure groups and box ticking.
Yes that would be good and it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was the opposite of what you'd get from most London Councils.
Someone can be pro "LGBT" yet right leaning.
As a gay married man I find some of the rhetoric bull shit, no one should be abusing their status as a minority to further themselves ahead of others that don't fit siad stererotypical criteria.
I think as a society we need to look past gay agenda and appreciate a person for who they are and not the orientation in which they swing.
Society has a problem with homosexuality and its off shoots, god didn't make everyone of us in his image.
That is generally what such statements say.
Millions don't believe in God or that he created anything.
what are gay rights? is their a list?
and don't big corporations have an equalities act to adhere to anyway?
Supporting gay rights or any other rights should not lead to positive discrimination. Equality is just that.
Why would they need to say it? Isn't that what normally happens?
There are sadly many countries where gay people don't have the same rights as straights.
a) has greatest potential for income maximisation
b) has greatest potential for reputational gain.
c) has greatest potential for advertising at least cost.
Why wouldn't they get involved in "Pride" or anything else that achieved one or more of those objectives?
The fact they while they are sponsoring a parade in London they are also shovelling money into the pockets of leaders of countries where gays are persecuted is surely a matter for the organisers to form a view on having listened to their constituent organisations?
If they are all happy to take that sponsorship/support whilst ignoring the bigger picture that's their choice...just as it was the choice of people many years ago to continue to give their business to corporations heavily involved with the apartheid regime in SA.
Being LGBT or anything else no more makes every one who is that of one outlook, opinion or political persuasion than having freckles or being straight or being a woman does. I can see the thinking that because one element of your life makes you part of a once oppressed minority MIGHT give you a wider perspective on that aspect of your life...but it's neither certain nor compulsory.
Anymore than I believe LGBT bankers should have known and behaved better than their straight/female or freckled peers when they were mis-selling PPI, fixing exchange rates etc
Yes but we aren't one of them so it doesn't really make sense here. It's like if there was a "Straight Pride" march you wouldn't get it. Ok so you're gay or you're straight that's fine but what exactly about your sexual choices is there to be "proud" about? I understand the point of view but I just don't think it contributes much.
The thread is about big corporations, and many of those will be multinationals.
And the gay movement can certainly be proud of what it has achieved.
Then they need to get themselves to an EU country ( while there still is an EU ) and claim asylum under the ECHR. How the bloke`s will be able to prove they are homosexual is anyone`s guess but I dare say Peter Mandelson would be happy to help out in that department.:D
In the UK of 2015, there only seems to be two groups of people who won't stop talking about how important sexual orientation is, the anti-gay bigots and the minority of gay people who, as you say abuse their minority status for personal gain.
Society is getting better, problems won't end overnight but the progress has been swift in recent years.
it's going too quickly for some and what they don't need is aggressive reactions to them. All it took to bring my elder relatives to change their mindsets was gentle persuasion via discussion and meeting gay people, rather than the extreme of people chanting "we're here, we're queer" getting in their faces. *
* I'll probably clarify this later as I'm on a phone at the moment. Basically; softly softly catchy monkey is preferable to some of the more aggressive campaigning we have seen. *Cough *Perer Tachell *cough*
That would be a very tiny minority, if indeed it exists at all!
Well, we need both approaches. Peter Tatchell has done a hell of a lot for gay rights, as has Stonewall.
They should neither support nor oppose matters like this.
The people themselves can have their own opinion, but a company should not.
I was just going to post same thing. Best person for job. Easy. Just have to make sure paperwork is robust to support decisions made.
Why shouldn't they? If they don't support equality, it suggests that they either oppose it or aren't bothered. Looks bad either way.
Surely equality is simply best person for job 'irrespective ' of whatever minority or indeed majority they come from. Pre - selection by attribute is the way many on line HR systems have gone. Managers doing pre selection without name/address/gender/ethnic origin. The reason being that bias is most likely at initial selection. As for sexual orientation who cares these days seriously.