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Over half believe BBC is not value for money
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This got ignored in another thread so decided to give it its own.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/615164844359188481
Also majority of people want the BBC to be funded through adverts
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/615164946150727680
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/615164844359188481
Also majority of people want the BBC to be funded through adverts
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/615164946150727680
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That would be the worst outcome possible. It would destroy the existing commercial media industry as they'd lose so much revenue, which is why non of them want it to happen (and it probably never will).
Advertisers are also becoming concerned at the growing trend to record programmes and watch later, whilst skipping through the adverts. Subscription TV is the future and it'll cost far more than the BBC licence fee.
The majority of those polled believe it should be funded via advertising.
Polls reflect nothing but the views of those that took part, they do not reflect the views of the public.
They certainly do not reflect the majority of people, especially when the number of people polled does not even total half of population.
I am about to make this point in anothee thread in which a poll is being misused to try and prove a false point.
I thought it was widely accepted that the polling methods used were perfectly fine, the issue was a last minute swing towards the Tories...
Going by that then, you can say those BARB boxes are providing the right figures for how many people actually watch the BBC. We keep being told they're the most watched channels but the boxes are only in about 6000 homes so don't represent the nation does it, it's just those 6000 homes.
+ Saying a point is false because not enough people were asked doesn't imply the opposite point is fact so unless the public were asked what they want, it's unfair in favor of the current position.
I agree. But we live in different times now. A decade or so ago the BBC was a force to reckon with. But with so much choice out there people no longer regard it as the Holy Grail it was once. Of course people like the BBC and don't want it to be closed down, but the way some posters behave is that the whole country are so anti-Tory and pro-BBC, that in reality that is no longer the case. The BBC is important, agreed. But our priorities have changed. Many prefer to choose their viewing, their entertainment packages themselves. The BBC DOES offer something for everyone some of the time, but very often you might have to wait a long time before you actually want to see something on the BBC.
I believe if the BBC went back to BBC One and BBC Two and concentrated on programming for those two channels, aswell as running a News Channel and Cbeebies, the public would re-engage with it. The programming is too thinly spread over too many channels that very often it appears that there isn't anythging on any of them. Of course, the exact same is true of ITV, C4 and C5 too. There simply isn't enough on the main channels to distinguish them from their digital channels.
So, people feel obliged to seek what they want to watch at times they want to watch it. The Licence Fee is becoming irrelevant to many households, simply because they don't use the BBC in the way they used to. The TV schedules are the same every day now and people can get more variety by using on-demand and suppliers like Netflix.
I realise some people believe the population see the BBC as more important than it is actually is, but we are not a socialist country. We are self serving. We see the value in the Health Service and Social Services and Education, but apart from that, things like TV can be provided by various broadcasters and it can provide people what they WANT to watch at times they can WATCH it. It isn't the same as worrying about what treatment your loved one will receive at an NHS hospital when they're rushed in.
I think most people are waiting to see what plans the Government will have for the BBC. I predict most will just accept the outcome and not bother about it again until the subject is brought up by the BBC themselves. If the BBC cries too loudly though, they might lose the sympathy of the public, because in reality, the public have just downloaded Game of Thrones on Now TV for £9,99 per month.
In the most recent polls, support for the licence fee has gone up to 53%!
Given the choice of licence fee, general taxation, ads and subs, the licence fee is the most favored method of funding the BBC. The nation does not want ads on the Beeb and it certainly doesn't want subs.
So, because THIS poll does not reflect the results YOU would like to see, it is a false point. But if ANOTHER poll suggested the opposite, it would be a true fact?
I think the problem you have is failing to engage in the fact that this is 2015 and people see things totally differently. If you asked people to write down five things that are important to our way of life, it would be interesting to see a poll, with a wide national reach, and to see how far up that list the BBC is. I never think of the BBC when I vote in an election. I do think about my local area as a whole though and how well our council have been doing.
BARB is representative of the population as a whole so is a fair representation of the nation's viewing habits.
The broadcaster with the biggest audience share?
The nation's favourite pair of channels is?
This YOUGOV poll is the most recent............just because it conflicts with what YOU want to believe, doesn't mean it should be discredited.
No, that is not accepted even by The Guardian as I'm sure you know.
Didn't take long did it?
It's interesting that only 38% of the country now think that the BBC is good value, as I was only thinking the other day how many more people on digital spy are becoming anti-licence fee. When I first started reading Digital spy forums it seemed most were in favour of the TV Licence. But over the last few years its really changed.
Maybe my message and my good work educating people on these forums is starting to pay off.
Most people now think collecting BBC Pay TV money via force, threat and intimidation is an outdated concept. They're finally standing up to the bully and saying NO More!!!
I'm proud of you guys, keep the good work going and we can finally be free of this awful TV Licence forever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_complex
..... And who will pay for the rest of the BBC ...?
With fewer channels they are going to be putting on less of what people want though as there is less space in the schedule so that's far from the solution to prove the value of the service. With the news requirements BBC1 has just 3 hours of prime time a night available. BBC2 maybe 30-60mins longer but that means at most 7 hour long programmes a night and unless they go really broad on both channels the chance of appealing to a fraction of the potential viewers that night and as they aren't supposed to be rating chasing in general
Actually, your posts are so anti-BBC I never take them seriously. I am a BBC supporter but have resigned myself to the fact that in 2015, people see the BBC differently to what they did 10 or 15 years ago. I have no qualms with the Licence Fee system, nor do I have qualms about the Licence Fee being frozen again. I think the BBC, whilst making mistakes, is one of the few organisations that can actually balance its books blooming well considering the challenges it faces, and I have no doubt it will do so again. Its sole priority should be BBC One, Two, News and Children's Programming. I would axe Parliament (out of devilment as a way of saying to the Government - all them lovely cameras you've had installed - sorry they'll be wasted, you've cut us so much we can't provide coverage anymore!).
But, I try and be realistic in my posts and accept that these will likely change. Whilst I can see that the LF may not be as popular as it once was, the system itself is not defunct, just the format. I do think the UK will be worse off without the BBC and am thankful, that despite the fear that many posters have towards The Tories, the BBC will still be going strong to cover the 2020 election!
But that's the crux isn't it? Is BBC1 actually showing what people WANT now? Do viewers WANT the same schedules day in, day out? With less channels and more programming commissions, there will be more diversity in the schedules because it will no longer be spread thinly over 4 entertainment channels over 7 days a week. Providing varied, diverse schedules seven days a week is, according to posters, exactly what people want. And, ratings are secondary to the BBC (apparently) so if a new show at 7pm on BBC1 rates lower than the One Show then that shouldn't matter.
Really?!
Yes, I've never been polled. I don't watch much tv, but I think £145.50 is good value for what I do watch, and for the radio. I listen to Radio 2 and Radio 4 - I can't abide commercial radio because of the irritating adverts which I can't mute because I don't know the they've finished.
Springwatch/Autumnwatch and Winterwatch are expensive programmes to produce, and I'd pay the licence fee for these programmes alone.
We don't have Sky, because I think it's very poor value for what you get. Loads of channels in a 'package', but most of them I wouldn't watch anyway, so why would I want to pay for them?