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The issue with Vote to Evict
patsylimerick
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Firstly - I told you so!
I have been saying on here for weeks that it was impossible - logically impossible - for Marc to survive a straightforward vote to evict. Fans of Danny, Chloe, Christian, Jack, Harry, Ashleyne, Nikki and Brian B were salivating at the prospect of voting him out and fans of Joel and Nick were biding their time to see off the competition (though I think Joel and Nick's fans quite liked Marc, as a rule).
Frankly, I'm kind of relieved he's gone. He will always be a firm favourite for me as I love smart hms and he has made me laugh more than many I ever remember. He was, however, a product of the TOWIE generation and a foul-mouthed shit stirrer (a master of his craft - which you have to admire, but a shit stirrer nonetheless). I would be somewhat embarrassed by him as a winner; but delighted with him as a classic housemate in the making.
So to Vote to Evict. My main issue with vote to evict is the atmosphere it creates on here and, by extension, amongst the viewers of the show. It forces the approach to every single conversation in a negative direction.
When I liked Aaron, he was very divisive, when I liked Ashleigh she was very divisive - same with Marc. I like to post about the people I like. So I end up defending them against the naysayers. There was uproar when fans of other hms discussed voting Jale out; but isn't that exactly what's been going on all week in relation to Marc? Isn't that what HAS to happen with a Vote to Evict?
It's just negativity heaped on top of negativity; how bad can we make such and such look? If it was a vote to Save, the arguments would be, surely, more directed towards highlighting the positives of a hm and why they deserve a vote to save?
I don't know; life is very, very serious in my world and BB is supposed to be light-hearted entertainment. The Vote to Evict mentality surrounding the show is just mind-numbingly boring and unpleasant.
I have been saying on here for weeks that it was impossible - logically impossible - for Marc to survive a straightforward vote to evict. Fans of Danny, Chloe, Christian, Jack, Harry, Ashleyne, Nikki and Brian B were salivating at the prospect of voting him out and fans of Joel and Nick were biding their time to see off the competition (though I think Joel and Nick's fans quite liked Marc, as a rule).
Frankly, I'm kind of relieved he's gone. He will always be a firm favourite for me as I love smart hms and he has made me laugh more than many I ever remember. He was, however, a product of the TOWIE generation and a foul-mouthed shit stirrer (a master of his craft - which you have to admire, but a shit stirrer nonetheless). I would be somewhat embarrassed by him as a winner; but delighted with him as a classic housemate in the making.
So to Vote to Evict. My main issue with vote to evict is the atmosphere it creates on here and, by extension, amongst the viewers of the show. It forces the approach to every single conversation in a negative direction.
When I liked Aaron, he was very divisive, when I liked Ashleigh she was very divisive - same with Marc. I like to post about the people I like. So I end up defending them against the naysayers. There was uproar when fans of other hms discussed voting Jale out; but isn't that exactly what's been going on all week in relation to Marc? Isn't that what HAS to happen with a Vote to Evict?
It's just negativity heaped on top of negativity; how bad can we make such and such look? If it was a vote to Save, the arguments would be, surely, more directed towards highlighting the positives of a hm and why they deserve a vote to save?
I don't know; life is very, very serious in my world and BB is supposed to be light-hearted entertainment. The Vote to Evict mentality surrounding the show is just mind-numbingly boring and unpleasant.
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If Marc had survived then people would say VTE is the way to go, but since he was evicted VTE doesn't work!!!
It's a funny old game!
That's the theory, but anyone who observed this forum when VTS was in effect would tell you that the theory is a load of old bollocks.
However, the downside of VTS is that if there is a housemate you really cannot stand (ie. Connor) it becomes impossible to get rid of them because despite being horrid...people keep them for the drama.
Having said that, I would rather be stuck with someone I hate than have a houseful of Chloe/Sams.
I don't think the theory has any merit.
It should be vote to evict, that's the way it was devised. The person who people want to leave is the one to go.
And last night the overwhelming number of people wanted to see the damaged and unpleasant Marc leave.
Try not acting like a d'ckhead if you're worried about being evicted.
Who wins? You decide = VTS
I prefer it this way
It is of no consequence who is 2nd or 3rd. It is only the winner who gets the money (hopefully)
That's the thing, isn't it? I mean, look at the final line-up? I think it's far more legitimate for people to still be in there because enough people still want them in there. As I said, a more positive focus.
Clearly you didn't read the OP. I'm neither happy nor unhappy. The result was a 100% foregone conclusion. I'm happy Marc's not the winner, as I've said.
Bit in bold - not it is not the way it was devised.
Precisely. It leaves us with a final of cowardly dullards. Chloe 'call the police and accuse a taxi driver of abduction' becomes this defenceless little girl by crying and bitching under the duvet.
So you don't think there's people complaining about VTE because their fave has suffered under it? From my observations, it seems that most fans here don't really have a consistent principled stance on this, but moan and whinge when their fave loses out.
And that's ultimately the pertinant point. whether any individual fan likes one system or another, the fact is that the HMs go in knowing what the system is, thus they have to be held responsible for how they fare under that system.
I do. Vote to evict is a negative policy that intensifies hostility and leaves dullards radar-dodgers in the final.
There's an argument for saying that it keeps the fence-sitters in (although, as I've said, those arguments all too often come from those who've just watched their fave get evicted under VTE - there's little more embarrassing here than to see someone affect a principled stance because they're pissed off that things didn't go the way they wanted).
And when you say it intensifies hostility, are you referring to among the viewers on here (as you stated in your OP)? If so, then take my word for it: that is bollocks. The forum was just as negative under VTS as it is under VTE. Face it, this show brings out some pretty unpleasant people and brings out the unpleasant side in lots of others, and it has nothing to do with the voting system. You need look no further than this week for evidence - most of the abuse on here was aimed at people who weren't even up for the vote, like Danny and Aisleyne.
Marc was never going to be safe up against 4 HM's in a VTE.
There are pros and cons for VTS and VTE the producers should mix it up from time to time. Put the whole house up in week 2 or 3 with a double eviction and VTS will usually clean out the dullards and fence sitters.
All it takes is around 28%, or even less, of BB viewers to get Marc out, in a 4 way eviction.
If 72% of all viewers were Marc fans - some would not vote at all and others could in effect split their votes between the other 3, so in theory a 28% VTE would vote Marc out. This figure could be a lot less, depending on how many Marc fans actually voted at all.
It is even more pathetic when he was backed to win the entire show.
How different would X Factor, BGT, Strictly, IAC be with a 'vote to remove'? BB being the only reality show to use a negative vote gets too many dullards stay to the end. Even a few BBs across the world have changed it to a save vote resulting in better hms getting further.
I don't know that C5 prefer though. If they preferred evict than why would they keep the save for CBB and if they prefer save why don't they change it. But they are using one for one and one for another.
Aaron wouldn't have won BB12 if it was VTE as he wouldn't have gotten to the final.
The problem with a vote to evict is we lose all the entertaining ones, as in Adjoa, Jade and Marc, all any contestant has to do is sit not do much and don't draw attention to yourself and you slip under the radar.
Is that the Aaron who sulked in the bathroom for days on end? Surely he won on looks.
Yes, be nice, do very little, don't start arguments - that way we can watch you sunbathing for 6 weeks.
Act like a decent human being,have a laugh and enjoy yourself in what is a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Acting like a dick only ever makes people think that you're a dick.
Of yes a massive 'positive' for VTE being able to vote Marc out. Now BB is a game show it also allows the voters to join in the game and vote out the negative housemates of which Marc was one. It also enables tactical voting and why Ashleigh fans voted out Jale to save Ashleigh, even though she didn't win in the end.
Just look at the likely final 4 - Cristian *yawn* , Chloe *boohoo I am too normal me*, Danny the drip and Joel the only one who has spoken up but honestly hasn't been a tenth as entertaining as Marc was
Worst BB in living memory. Total fail.
I do get the point about in a VTE there is more negativity when referring to the eviction and the VTS threads show more positivity, but there is still an abundance of negativity in the VTS series.
Maybe they should just alter the contracts slightly and say that BB can remove a HM at any time if they become invisible or don't get involved :cool: