Never said it would.I just believe it's wrong for these people to be in council houses paying such low rents.
I don't believe social housing should be for life either your rights to it should change as your circumstances do.I'm left leaning in politics but there is nothing left about wealthy people clinging on to low rent homes when struggling families need them.
Of cause social housing is meant for life, why do you think RTB was brought in. All this policy will do is make more homes being sold at big discounts. The maximum discount is £77,900 across England, except in London boroughs where it’s £103,900( And just to be clear i am against RTB)
My accommodation does affect my health, but nobody in authority is prepared to acknowledge that.
My i ask in what way your accommodation is affecting your health, and if you can get medical evidence to back this claim up as this would help out alot.
Never said it would.I just believe it's wrong for these people to be in council houses paying such low rents.
I don't believe social housing should be for life either your rights to it should change as your circumstances do.I'm left leaning in politics but there is nothing left about wealthy people clinging on to low rent homes when struggling families need them.
The problem with this is that there are too many grey areas. My OH is self employed so maybe one year, he has a particularly good year and is slightly above the threshold for a council house. We get booted out so a struggling family can get it. The next year he has a bad year and we're the struggling family. Many people's incomes are very fluid so a one size fits all policy would never work.
We're already divided when someone can be earning £50000 + yet pay less rent for a 3 bed house than someone earning £15000 living in a 1 one bed flat.
It won't help with that at all but then this is not about that. This is the classic (and successful) right wing tactic of divide and conquer where you pit those at the bottom against each other.
We're already divided when someone can be earning £50000 + yet pay less rent for a 3 bed house than someone earning £15000 living in a 1 one bed flat.
I think this is highly unfair. I moved into my flat as a vulnerable teenager, initially on Housing Benefit and income support. When I signed my housing contract there was no caveat in it that stated that I would be obligated to give up my home should I become better off. The tenancy was a life time one.
I would then go on to educate myself further and ended up with a better paying job. Of course I am now benefit free I have been paying the full rent my Social Landlord asked for as well as full Council tax and I am also a respectable income tax payer. Are you suggesting that people like me give up my council home which I have maintained for several years because I decided to better myself and be forced into Private Housing?
Also bear in mind, my 'full rent' when I started paying it was in line with all the other private housing in the area. Because of gentrification, private rents went up but council ones didn't. With this in mind I didn't even realize that my rent was subsidised.
I think this is highly unfair. I moved into my flat as a vulnerable teenager, initially on Housing Benefit and income support. When I signed my housing contract there was no caveat in it that stated that I would be obligated to give up my home should I become better off. The tenancy was a life time one.
I would then go on to educate myself further and ended up with a better paying job. Of course I am now benefit free I have been paying the full rent my Social Landlord asked for as well as full Council tax and I am also a respectable income tax payer. Are you suggesting that people like me give up my council home which I have maintained for several years because I decided to better myself and be forced into Private Housing?
Also bear in mind, my 'full rent' when I started paying it was in line with all the other private housing in the area. Because of gentrification, private rents went up but council ones didn't. With this in mind I didn't even realize that my rent was subsidised.
Why wouldn't you want to give another vulnerable teenager the same chance to better themselves in the same way that you did?
Why wouldn't you want to give another vulnerable teenager the same chance to better themselves in the same way that you did?
I think you better yourself if you can buy a home, moving into the private sector i dont count as bettering yourself moving into the private sector rental
I think you better yourself if you can buy a home, moving into the private sector i dont count as bettering yourself moving into the private sector rental
Personally I don't think you better yourself by owning things. I think you better yourself by getting knowledge and by helping society more away from material need.
I think you better yourself if you can buy a home, moving into the private sector i dont count as bettering yourself moving into the private sector rental
They probably do want to give someone else the chance.
By building more council houses, rather than by being forced to move in to private rented accommodation.
But of course that is what this rent increase to market rates is all about.
I'm sure the poster can answer the question themselves.
However I agree that more council housing needs to be built, but with the current situation the lesser of 2 evils is for that vulnerable teenager to have the same opportunity that they were given. Those in most need should take priority. We must protect the vulnerable.
Personally I don't think you better yourself by owning things. I think you better yourself by getting knowledge and by helping society more away from material need.
I wouldn't class a home as a material need. It's rather essential.
I'm sure the poster can answer the question themselves.
However I agree that more council housing needs to be built, but with the current situation the lesser of 2 evils is for that vulnerable teenager to have the same opportunity that they were given. Those in most need should take priority. We must protect the vulnerable.
LOL Poor excuse.
We must protect the vulnerable by making them more vulnerable?
This isn't about protecting anyone other than the rich from having to pay tax.
Everyone could have a home if we built enough council houses for everyone and limited the UK population.
You are just a materialist.
Yes everyone could, but that isn't the current situation. I wouldn't currently qualify for a council house and private rent would be twice my mortgage. If not wanting to pay stupid amounts in rent makes me a materialist in your eyes, so be it.
I could call you a materialist with all your gadgets such as your 3D TV. Now that is a unnecessary material good!
I'm sure the poster can answer the question themselves.
However I agree that more council housing needs to be built, but with the current situation the lesser of 2 evils is for that vulnerable teenager to have the same opportunity that they were given. Those in most need should take priority. We must protect the vulnerable.
I agree we must protect the vulnerable, but because there is no kind of securirty in renting in the private sector it makes anyone renting in that sector vulnerable as people can be given 2 months notice to leave, and the landlord does not have to give a reason why. In social housing you can only be evicted for doing something wrong, in the private sector you dont have to have done anything wrong.
I agree we must protect the vulnerable, but because there is no kind of securirty in renting in the private sector it makes anyone renting in that sector vulnerable as people can be given 2 months notice to leave, and the landlord does not have to give a reason why. In social housing you can only be evicted for doing something wrong, in the private sector you dont have to have done anything wrong.
There is definitely very little security in renting in the private sector. I'd feel more vulnerable having to live in private rented accommodation than in council housing.
Why wouldn't you want to give another vulnerable teenager the same chance to better themselves in the same way that you did?
Maybe if that were in my initial tenancy agreement I would consider it but it wasn't. It was given to me for life. I chose on my own accord to better myself. There was no caveat in my tenancy agreement that stated that I had to give up my home if my circumstances became better.
I was only told that if I got a job all income support and housing benefit would stop and that I would be fully responsible for all rent and council tax on the property. And this I have adhered to.
I still maintain that my rent is not subsidized as there is nothing in my tenancy agreement which states that it is. When I was on HB, my rent was £2.50 a week and the full rent was always stated with my rebate from HB, Now I pay the full rent sans rebate. The only thing subsidized in my council tax however which contains a single person allowance but that also applies to all other single people in private rented accommodation as well.
What next...penalise all people who have a high equity in their properties and low mortgage interest rates as it is unfair to those who have the opposite?
I agree we must protect the vulnerable, but because there is no kind of securirty in renting in the private sector it makes anyone renting in that sector vulnerable as people can be given 2 months notice to leave, and the landlord does not have to give a reason why. In social housing you can only be evicted for doing something wrong, in the private sector you dont have to have done anything wrong.
I agree with this. It's wrong that there isn't enough social housing. However because it is so limited, those in most need should come first.
Maybe if that were in my initial tenancy agreement I would consider it but it wasn't. It was given to me for life. I chose on my own accord to better myself. There was no caveat in my tenancy agreement that stated that I had to give up my home if my circumstances became better.
I was only told that if I got a job all income support and housing benefit would stop and that I would be fully responsible for all rent and council tax on the property. And this I have adhered to.
I still maintain that my rent is not subsidized as there is nothing in my tenancy agreement which states that it is. When I was on HB, my rent was £2.50 a week and the full rent was always stated with my rebate from HB, Now I pay the full rent sans rebate. The only thing subsidized in my council tax however which contains a single person allowance but that also applies to all other single people in private rented accommodation as well.
What next...penalise all people who have a high equity in their properties and low mortgage interest rates as it is unfair to those who have the opposite?
Thanks for the reply. I can understand your POV and that in your position I'd be reluctant to move also. Glad to hear that you've done well for yourself though
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Of cause social housing is meant for life, why do you think RTB was brought in. All this policy will do is make more homes being sold at big discounts. The maximum discount is £77,900 across England, except in London boroughs where it’s £103,900( And just to be clear i am against RTB)
My accommodation does affect my health, but nobody in authority is prepared to acknowledge that.
My i ask in what way your accommodation is affecting your health, and if you can get medical evidence to back this claim up as this would help out alot.
The problem with this is that there are too many grey areas. My OH is self employed so maybe one year, he has a particularly good year and is slightly above the threshold for a council house. We get booted out so a struggling family can get it. The next year he has a bad year and we're the struggling family. Many people's incomes are very fluid so a one size fits all policy would never work.
It won't help with that at all but then this is not about that. This is the classic (and successful) right wing tactic of divide and conquer where you pit those at the bottom against each other.
There is no money coming from tax payers to the people who pay low council rents.
People are being asked to pay MORE, not pay back anything.
So this IS a TAX on high earners for living in a council house.
I think this is highly unfair. I moved into my flat as a vulnerable teenager, initially on Housing Benefit and income support. When I signed my housing contract there was no caveat in it that stated that I would be obligated to give up my home should I become better off. The tenancy was a life time one.
I would then go on to educate myself further and ended up with a better paying job. Of course I am now benefit free I have been paying the full rent my Social Landlord asked for as well as full Council tax and I am also a respectable income tax payer. Are you suggesting that people like me give up my council home which I have maintained for several years because I decided to better myself and be forced into Private Housing?
Also bear in mind, my 'full rent' when I started paying it was in line with all the other private housing in the area. Because of gentrification, private rents went up but council ones didn't. With this in mind I didn't even realize that my rent was subsidised.
Why wouldn't you want to give another vulnerable teenager the same chance to better themselves in the same way that you did?
I think you better yourself if you can buy a home, moving into the private sector i dont count as bettering yourself moving into the private sector rental
They probably do want to give someone else the chance.
By building more council houses, rather than by being forced to move in to private rented accommodation.
But of course that is what this rent increase to market rates is all about.
Personally I don't think you better yourself by owning things. I think you better yourself by getting knowledge and by helping society more away from material need.
I used the posters own words.
I'm sure the poster can answer the question themselves.
However I agree that more council housing needs to be built, but with the current situation the lesser of 2 evils is for that vulnerable teenager to have the same opportunity that they were given. Those in most need should take priority. We must protect the vulnerable.
I wouldn't class a home as a material need. It's rather essential.
LOL Poor excuse.
We must protect the vulnerable by making them more vulnerable?
This isn't about protecting anyone other than the rich from having to pay tax.
Owning a home isn't a need.
Everyone could have a home if we built enough council houses for everyone and limited the UK population.
You are just a materialist.
Some people are more vulnerable than others. Don't you agree?
Yes everyone could, but that isn't the current situation. I wouldn't currently qualify for a council house and private rent would be twice my mortgage. If not wanting to pay stupid amounts in rent makes me a materialist in your eyes, so be it.
I could call you a materialist with all your gadgets such as your 3D TV. Now that is a unnecessary material good!
Not really the problem.
People wouldn't be vulnerable in terms of housing, if council homes were built.
People are being made vulnerable by the lack of council housing.
There is definitely very little security in renting in the private sector. I'd feel more vulnerable having to live in private rented accommodation than in council housing.
Just to clarify, you do think that some are more vulnerable than others?
Maybe if that were in my initial tenancy agreement I would consider it but it wasn't. It was given to me for life. I chose on my own accord to better myself. There was no caveat in my tenancy agreement that stated that I had to give up my home if my circumstances became better.
I was only told that if I got a job all income support and housing benefit would stop and that I would be fully responsible for all rent and council tax on the property. And this I have adhered to.
I still maintain that my rent is not subsidized as there is nothing in my tenancy agreement which states that it is. When I was on HB, my rent was £2.50 a week and the full rent was always stated with my rebate from HB, Now I pay the full rent sans rebate. The only thing subsidized in my council tax however which contains a single person allowance but that also applies to all other single people in private rented accommodation as well.
What next...penalise all people who have a high equity in their properties and low mortgage interest rates as it is unfair to those who have the opposite?
I agree with this. It's wrong that there isn't enough social housing. However because it is so limited, those in most need should come first.
Thanks for the reply. I can understand your POV and that in your position I'd be reluctant to move also. Glad to hear that you've done well for yourself though