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The French are right about the Calais migrant crisis

Forever ChangesForever Changes Posts: 990
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it is Britain's fault.

As long as we keep offering gilt-edged invitations and incentives to immigrants, they'll keep on coming

why is everyone blaming the French? It's not their job to stop people leaving their country
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    paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    it is Britain's fault.

    As long as we keep offering gilt-edged invitations and incentives to immigrants, they'll keep on coming

    why is everyone blaming the French? It's not their job to stop people leaving their country

    No its their to stop them getting in there in the first place
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    GeneralissimoGeneralissimo Posts: 6,289
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    They are in France illegally, they could be rounded up and deported tomorrow if the French had the will to do so.
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    stud u likestud u like Posts: 42,100
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    They messed up my day trip the other week by tyre burning at Coquelles. Puts me off visiting again.

    We are kicking out plenty of foreigners. Michael Rosen is moaning as per usual about it.
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    Forever ChangesForever Changes Posts: 990
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    No its their to stop them getting in there in the first place

    France is a fully paid up member of the Schengen agreement. Totally free and open borders. There's not much they can do
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    jassijassi Posts: 7,895
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    No its their to stop them getting in there in the first place


    Is it. Surely its a decision for the French as to who is allowed in their country.

    As long as they are not making any claims on the state, the French may be quite happy to use them as training for their riot police.
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    Net NutNet Nut Posts: 10,286
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    "The French are right about the Calais migrant crisis"

    I thought the British never admit that anyone across the channel are right about anything :D
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    CaxtonCaxton Posts: 28,881
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    No its their to stop them getting in there in the first place

    Yes, the French should stop them getting into Calais and France in the first place. I feel sorry for the lorry drivers putting up with all this aggro getting stuck there for hours on end. These immigrants should be rounded up sent to where they come from, or put on a disused ferry in the middle of the Atlantic.

    We don't want them, France does not want them and apparently nobody wants them, and I suggest those who feel sorry for them are 100% responsible for them.

    Thousands of yards of razor wire and water cannon and the Army should be deployed doing their job protecting out country from invasion.

    Time, we as a nation, stopped faffing about and done something, stop acting the fairy godmother and tell these people we do not want them here.
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    Forever ChangesForever Changes Posts: 990
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    jassi wrote: »
    Is it. Surely its a decision for the French as to who is allowed in their country.

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    France is in the EU and Schengen. They have even less control over their borders than we do
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    paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    France is a fully paid up member of the Shengen agreement. Totally free and open borders. There's not much they can do

    The Schengen Agreement doesn't apply to North African countries only EU countries plus Norway Iceland and Switzerland :confused:
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    paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    jassi wrote: »
    Is it. Surely its a decision for the French as to who is allowed in their country.

    As long as they are not making any claims on the state, the French may be quite happy to use them as training for their riot police.

    Not if they are only allowing them in so they can come into our country illegally
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    paulschapmanpaulschapman Posts: 35,536
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    it is Britain's fault.

    As long as we keep offering gilt-edged invitations and incentives to immigrants, they'll keep on coming

    why is everyone blaming the French? It's not their job to stop people leaving their country


    We should never apologise for treating people decently - if the French have a problem with that - tough, they should get their own house in order and repatriate these people back to their country of origin. That goes for most of the Southern European countries as well since they seem to be happy for them to migrant to the wealthier Northern countries.
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    SurrenderBillSurrenderBill Posts: 19,084
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    It's the duty of both Britain and France to work together, there's no point apportioning blame.
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    CaxtonCaxton Posts: 28,881
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    This is costing our country millions, in costs to transport companies and other businesses. Time it was stopped, after all it is all over a few thousand unwanted people causing it. Whatever it takes should be deployed, no good pussy-footing around. We just are not tough enough with them we do not want them.
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    Forever ChangesForever Changes Posts: 990
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    We should never apologise for treating people decently - if the French have a problem with that - tough, they should get their own house in order and repatriate these people back to their country of origin. That goes for most of the Southern European countries as well since they seem to be happy for them to migrant to the wealthier Northern countries.

    In life we should always treat others decently. That doesn't mean we should let ourselves be used as a doormat by others willing to abuse our decency.

    The UK's decency and tolerance has been abused for so long. We're killing ourselves with kindness
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    pork.pie wrote: »
    It's the duty of both Britain and France to work together, there's no point apportioning blame.

    Dave, is that you? :kitty:
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,663
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    pork.pie wrote: »
    It's the duty of both Britain and France to work together, there's no point apportioning blame.

    If the geography was reversed would the situation be any different? If migrants were desperate to get from the UK to France would we be doing everything we could to stop them?
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    Forever ChangesForever Changes Posts: 990
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    The Schengen Agreement doesn't apply to North African countries only EU countries plus Norway Iceland and Switzerland :confused:

    problem is, countries in Schengen have no border controls with each other. Illegals can travel as freely as EU citizens.

    Here's a frightening thought: imagine if the UK was not an island, and was in Schengen! :o
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    LostFool wrote: »
    If the geography was reversed would the situation be any different? If migrants were desperate to get from the UK to France would we be doing everything we could to stop them?

    exactly. We'd be more than happy to get rid. Blaming the French for this crisis is hypocrisy.
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    paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    problem is, countries in Schengen have no border controls with each other. Illegals can travel as freely as EU citizens.

    Here's a frightening thought: imagine if the UK was not an island, and was in Schengen! :o

    No they don't have border controls between other Schengen countries but they do have them with non Schengen countries, they shouldn't be getting in in the first place
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    Net Nut wrote: »
    "The French are right about the Calais migrant crisis"

    I thought the British never admit that anyone across the channel are right about anything :D

    surely it should be a wake-up call when even the Socialist Republic of France is complaining that the UK is too generous/compassionate/tolerant! :D
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    paulschapmanpaulschapman Posts: 35,536
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    In life we should always treat others decently. That doesn't mean we should let ourselves be used as a doormat by others willing to abuse our decency.

    The UK's decency and tolerance has been abused for so long. We're killing ourselves with kindness

    Who is suggesting we should - under EU law illegal immigrants are the responsibility of the country they land in first - by a quirk of geography that is not the UK, unless they get here by airplane.

    It is a travesty to say we are to blame because we treat people decently.
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    Forever ChangesForever Changes Posts: 990
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    No they don't have border controls between other Schengen countries but they do have them with non Schengen countries, they shouldn't be getting in in the first place

    of course, but most of them appear to be getting in through Italy and other routes. So it's a failure of the EU as a whole, not France.

    But since the EU is a supranational entity, no single person or nation will take the blame. And nothing will change.
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    Caxton wrote: »
    This is costing our country millions, in costs to transport companies and other businesses. Time it was stopped, after all it is all over a few thousand unwanted people causing it. Whatever it takes should be deployed, no good pussy-footing around. We just are not tough enough with them we do not want them.

    Maybe we should start mining the area around the Chunnel entrance. Although some would probably claim that would violate EU human rights legislation
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    Forever ChangesForever Changes Posts: 990
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    Who is suggesting we should - under EU law illegal immigrants are the responsibility of the country they land in first - by a quirk of geography that is not the UK, unless they get here by airplane.

    It is a travesty to say we are to blame because we treat people decently.

    A line has to be drawn. If you saw a dozen homeless people in your local high street, would you invite them all to come and live in your house because it's the decent thing to do?
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    DotheboyshallDotheboyshall Posts: 40,583
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    it is Britain's fault.

    As long as we keep offering gilt-edged invitations and incentives to immigrants, they'll keep on coming
    It would be nice to know what these gilt edged invitations and incentives to immigrants are.

    It would also be interesting to know how many refugees countries are taking so we can find out who is slacking in acceptance of refugees
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