They wanted to go to Australia???
That's a little revisionist surely.
How can you compare the migration of humans from relatively prosperous/settled counties to places where, for all intents and purposes civilisation hadn't even got started, to those migrating to where the hard tasks have been done?
Especially in light of their being no positive contribution to those places whatsoever in the way of progress. No new tech that is needed, no new ideas about how to arrange society, nothing, from the migrants.
Make it up? Have you forgotten already? Because I doubt anyone else has. Bizarre that you're asking for defence of those who may not have committed a crime yet declare yourself ready to commit one. It's that skewed compass again. Hypocritical too.
I was asking for a change of law so that it could happen.
I believe that if someone adult or child invades your property you should be allowed to use deadly force to defend it.
But that still isn't a reason why I can't be against the migrants.
And it may not be a crime but they are paying criminals to traffic them.
And they are threatening lorry drivers.
These are not meek and mild people running away from war and persecution.
But i have yet to see a proper defense of the migrants other than attacks on anyone who dares speak out against them.
I agree. They were threatening lorry drivers with knives at first - now it's guns. Where are the women and children and older people? Surely they are not leaving them behind? People are getting too soft. These intruders could be terrorists; they could belong to ISIS. Even if they are not, where are they going to live? We don't have enough housing for our own people.
It just isnt . The US actually relies on its vast illegal immigrant population and it has a land mass 40 times the size with a resident population only 5 times larger ...so plenty of room . Just incomparable .
You can keep stating that all you want but that fact is it is criminals you seem to have sympathy for not genuine migrants.
I call bullshit. Either that or complete idiocy.
5 minutes ago you refused to recognise there were any genuine people amongst them. Now you pretend to know the difference, as if you can tell just by looking at your TV screen.
Yes, anyone facing a heavily armed enemy in any of these countries can all access suitable weapons so easily and fight the good fight.
Being overly fond of your head is just one of the countless horrendous reason to try to escape, where that lot of barbaric thugs and their ilk are concerned.
I was asking for a change of law so that it could happen.
I believe that if someone adult or child invades your property you should be allowed to use deadly force to defend it.
But that still isn't a reason why I can't be against the migrants.
Yes; there should be guards at Calais and Dover, and the other countries should be forced to take their share. The guards should have machine guns. If these people want to come in, let them do it the proper way. I don't believe for one minute they are all fleeing persecution. They just want an easy life, paid for by the British.
5 minutes ago you refused to recognise there were any genuine people amongst them. Now you pretend to know the difference, as if you can tell just by looking at your TV screen.
I saw an immigrant on his way to jump the fences, sticking 2 fingers up at the camera.
I seriously doubt he left a war zone, and is now really grateful for our help, that he respects us enough not to stick 2 fingers up at us.
But then again these people really are taking the mick.
No, the 3-500k is illegal immigrants. They work using fake papers or undocumented (sometimes for the people who trafficked them here)- and they spent their wages, such as they are, on things, including things that result in VAT for the government. Some stuff we all buy is cheap because the people producing it or working in the factories that make it work for less than minimum wage. It is just the way it is.
It's actually quite difficult to pay an employee less than minimum wage as all payroll figures have to be reported online to HMRC
African history is littered with wars, brutal regimes, tribal conflict, civil disorder, corruption, disease, famine, poor sanitation, poor education etc. In fact it's a bit of a shithole when you think about it, and not quite the 'beautiful continent' many portray it as,
and thats mainly down to the british and french empires :kitty:
No one has avoided the question and I have actually said I believe people should be fighting ISIS rather than running away.
That is absolutely ridiculous. How are people meant to suddenly find weapons and start fighting a group like ISIS. As we're lucky enough to not be in their position, I have no idea how you're so sure that you'd stay and fight.
I think we have done that one already. The UNHCR allocate Refugee status. For example.....if they pull you out of the sea after your death trap boat sinks that may be when they classify you as a Refugee. There are camps in Calais with large numbers of women and children.
I will make a bet with you that we will all agree that these actual Refugees should get places in the UK allocation in front of a young man who does not yet have Refugee status.
What does the current demeanour of a person who fled in terror from a war zone a month ago have to do with anything?
So how many in Calais have been 'pulled out of the sea after their death trap boats have sunk' and awarded refugee status?
I've no idea what your bolded comment about 'demeanour' is about btw. You previously said that the migrants are 'literally fleeing for their lives' when clearly they no longer are (if indeed they were to start with).
Especially in light of their being no positive contribution to those places whatsoever in the way of progress. No new tech that is needed, no new ideas about how to arrange society, nothing, from the migrants.
Are you listening to a word that I am saying?
The Migrants who come to the UK to look after your elderly relatives in Care Homes are advancing your understanding in ways which are more important than words can convey. They are teaching you that families are important....people are important.....and that the people who looked after your every personal need when you needed that attention should not be tossed aside just because they now have intimate personal needs.....
A torrent of Red Herrings from the "I am not Anti Migrant......But" brigade.
And the "people who send money home are selfish" rant was bizarre and funny. I suppose that is why they are looking after your elderly parents for £6.50 an hour because you are too............Selfish??
I am still waiting to hear if Refugees are allowed to flee from ISIS although I fully understand why you are all dodging the question.
You don't consider it selfish for people to use all the money they earn to support only their families without paying taxes to help support those who don't have families?
Maybe you should suggest that to the politicians. Nobody needs to consider anybody outside their own family and taxes should be abolished.
I think Dave used the wrong term earlier today - "swarm" implies insects. Whatever you think about the migrants, that was wrong.
Not that I think it was calculated or deliberate. It slipped out and was indicative of his underlying feelings.
I had to laugh at good old milk it for all it's worth, condemnatory Nigel. Sadly someone dragged up the fact he'd recently used exactly the same terminology.
If the lot of them put as much effort into dealing with this mess as they do pathetically trying to score political points, I think we'd all be better off.
That is absolutely ridiculous. How are people meant to suddenly find weapons and start fighting a group like ISIS. As we're lucky enough to not be in their position, I have no idea how you're so sure that you'd stay and fight.
Well I just hope this country knows the enemy within before it is too late, but I suspect I'll have to fight alone while those who defend the idea of running away, run away.
I was asking for a change of law so that it could happen.
I believe that if someone adult or child invades your property you should be allowed to use deadly force to defend it.
But that still isn't a reason why I can't be against the migrants.
That changes nothing, though. You think it should be perfectly OK, even legal, to shoot children who trespass. These migrants may not have committed a criminal act like shooting children. Your own position seems a gnat's more precarious than theirs, in that the desire to shoot trespassing children is not a trait that would be welcome in an immigrant or resident.
There is some truth in this, but not in the simplistic sense of your postings. For a start, our ancestors had the advantage of temperate climate and stable geophysical landscape.
Our climate hasn't always been an advantage but I'll accept your point. However, are there no advantages to living in Africa? If they could get their act together politically then Africa could be a lot more prosperous than it is today.
There are women and children. Kent are dealing with twice as many unaccompanied children as last year, 600 so far. People you disgustingly say should be shot. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11772262/Calais-illegal-immigrants-crisis-live.html
They are not safe in France, they're mainly stuck there, living in appalling conditions. The French aren't interested in the people stuck in Calais.
Well the kids so called "mothers" shouldn't have put them in that position to start with should they!
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They wanted to go to Australia???
That's a little revisionist surely.
How can you compare the migration of humans from relatively prosperous/settled counties to places where, for all intents and purposes civilisation hadn't even got started, to those migrating to where the hard tasks have been done?
Especially in light of their being no positive contribution to those places whatsoever in the way of progress. No new tech that is needed, no new ideas about how to arrange society, nothing, from the migrants.
I was asking for a change of law so that it could happen.
I believe that if someone adult or child invades your property you should be allowed to use deadly force to defend it.
But that still isn't a reason why I can't be against the migrants.
I agree. They were threatening lorry drivers with knives at first - now it's guns. Where are the women and children and older people? Surely they are not leaving them behind? People are getting too soft. These intruders could be terrorists; they could belong to ISIS. Even if they are not, where are they going to live? We don't have enough housing for our own people.
It just isnt . The US actually relies on its vast illegal immigrant population and it has a land mass 40 times the size with a resident population only 5 times larger ...so plenty of room . Just incomparable .
I call bullshit. Either that or complete idiocy.
5 minutes ago you refused to recognise there were any genuine people amongst them. Now you pretend to know the difference, as if you can tell just by looking at your TV screen.
Not that I think it was calculated or deliberate. It slipped out and was indicative of his underlying feelings.
Yes but how do you know that one of your ancestors didn't flee to Britain to escape trouble?
Yes, anyone facing a heavily armed enemy in any of these countries can all access suitable weapons so easily and fight the good fight.
Being overly fond of your head is just one of the countless horrendous reason to try to escape, where that lot of barbaric thugs and their ilk are concerned.
Yes; there should be guards at Calais and Dover, and the other countries should be forced to take their share. The guards should have machine guns. If these people want to come in, let them do it the proper way. I don't believe for one minute they are all fleeing persecution. They just want an easy life, paid for by the British.
None of those who are backing the masked criminals in Calais seem able to address this point
I saw an immigrant on his way to jump the fences, sticking 2 fingers up at the camera.
I seriously doubt he left a war zone, and is now really grateful for our help, that he respects us enough not to stick 2 fingers up at us.
But then again these people really are taking the mick.
It's actually quite difficult to pay an employee less than minimum wage as all payroll figures have to be reported online to HMRC
and thats mainly down to the british and french empires :kitty:
That is absolutely ridiculous. How are people meant to suddenly find weapons and start fighting a group like ISIS. As we're lucky enough to not be in their position, I have no idea how you're so sure that you'd stay and fight.
I've no idea what your bolded comment about 'demeanour' is about btw. You previously said that the migrants are 'literally fleeing for their lives' when clearly they no longer are (if indeed they were to start with).
Are you listening to a word that I am saying?
The Migrants who come to the UK to look after your elderly relatives in Care Homes are advancing your understanding in ways which are more important than words can convey. They are teaching you that families are important....people are important.....and that the people who looked after your every personal need when you needed that attention should not be tossed aside just because they now have intimate personal needs.....
No Swarm is the correct terminology to use according to the dictionary
You don't consider it selfish for people to use all the money they earn to support only their families without paying taxes to help support those who don't have families?
Maybe you should suggest that to the politicians. Nobody needs to consider anybody outside their own family and taxes should be abolished.
I had to laugh at good old milk it for all it's worth, condemnatory Nigel. Sadly someone dragged up the fact he'd recently used exactly the same terminology.
If the lot of them put as much effort into dealing with this mess as they do pathetically trying to score political points, I think we'd all be better off.
Well I just hope this country knows the enemy within before it is too late, but I suspect I'll have to fight alone while those who defend the idea of running away, run away.
That changes nothing, though. You think it should be perfectly OK, even legal, to shoot children who trespass. These migrants may not have committed a criminal act like shooting children. Your own position seems a gnat's more precarious than theirs, in that the desire to shoot trespassing children is not a trait that would be welcome in an immigrant or resident.
Our climate hasn't always been an advantage but I'll accept your point. However, are there no advantages to living in Africa? If they could get their act together politically then Africa could be a lot more prosperous than it is today.
I don't, but I can be reasonably certain that none of them fled to Africa.
Well the kids so called "mothers" shouldn't have put them in that position to start with should they!
You watch 10 seconds of footage on TV and you think you can judge people.
At least I gave you 10 minutes.
You do understand it's the black economy under discussion?