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Not Cameron's biggest fan, but even I refuse to believe he's truly THIS incompetent
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So, WHAT is really behind his seemingly incompetent handling of Calais....
It's always seemed as though he's wanted to stay in the EU, and yet his actions are doing nothing to sell the EU to the great British public... What the hell is is playing at, could it be any of the following:
Has he done a deal with the EU to let migrants swarm into Britain in exchange for some pre-arranged "win" at the negotiating table where he'll be allowed to claim a huge victory... thus increasing the likelihood he'll win the EU referendum.
Is he letting this situation worsen day by day so that he can renege on his deal to give us an EU referendum by pulling "now is not the time" card.
Is he planning to flood the country with immigrants so that ultimately, wages are driven down. (Yoo hoo Karl Marx).
Are there world-wide arrangements for that little island at the top of the map (previously known as Britain) to be the dumping ground for all those fleeing from their country... it's just no-one thought to tell the current inhabitants.
Whatever you think of Cameron - he is not stupid. So what the hell is behind all of this?
It's always seemed as though he's wanted to stay in the EU, and yet his actions are doing nothing to sell the EU to the great British public... What the hell is is playing at, could it be any of the following:
Has he done a deal with the EU to let migrants swarm into Britain in exchange for some pre-arranged "win" at the negotiating table where he'll be allowed to claim a huge victory... thus increasing the likelihood he'll win the EU referendum.
Is he letting this situation worsen day by day so that he can renege on his deal to give us an EU referendum by pulling "now is not the time" card.
Is he planning to flood the country with immigrants so that ultimately, wages are driven down. (Yoo hoo Karl Marx).
Are there world-wide arrangements for that little island at the top of the map (previously known as Britain) to be the dumping ground for all those fleeing from their country... it's just no-one thought to tell the current inhabitants.
Whatever you think of Cameron - he is not stupid. So what the hell is behind all of this?
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The only way to try and control it is for the EU to order all land borders between countries reopened , they can still keep their beloved Schengen Visa so people do not have to apply for multiple Visas but those travelling over land would just have to show their passports at border controls. It wouldn't stop all of them but it could help contain many in the country where they land and other EU countries can offer assistance to those countries dealing with many arrivals, then the immigrants can as they should do claim asylum in the first safe country they land in and either be accepted or returned home.
But to blame Cameron for immigrants and Calais is to my mind both unfair and believing he has far more power than he actually has.
It's hard to say he's dong a great job.
What do you think he should be doing then, bearing in mind he has no jurisdiction in France?
So tell us how he can do better bearing in mind he has no power in France another sovereign state , France that is a member of Schengen which due to no land borders allows the immigrants to wander Europe at will . Quite how is that his fault and how can he fix it , as I said having no legal powers in any country other than this one.
I'll echo what has been said by the above poster - do you truly think he'd doing a GOOD job? Even a half-way decent job?
There are ways he could control things, apparently any EU member state can ignore any/all EU directives/laws if they affect "national security".... well, from where I'm sitting, we're being invaded and it shows NO sign of stopping or even slowing down.
Invasion and national security do not make for compatibility.
What he shouldn't be doing is spending tax payers money by putting them up in hotels and providing them with legal aid before they have claimed asylum.
We are paying for this and it needs to be stopped.
any responsible leader would put the UK above all else, the military would be deployed to the Tunnel entrances in England, and we would be using any means necessary to stop this illegal invasion of our lands
I have given over caring for these people now, stick them all on a boat, aim it south and let it sail until it hits dry land...
it's clear that the "law" doesn't apply to them or their want to get here, so why should we simply accept them?? they are coming here illegally and we should not tolerate it, we should be preventing them from getting here
such a shame we don't have complete control of our borders
I've never said that Cameron has power over France, he's *supposed* to have power in OUR country though. We are not a Schengen country, if France, and other, want to fling their doors open and let in all and sundry.... so be it, but why do we have to get dragged in when we've opted out. The second they move from Schengen to non-Schengen they should be met with armed troops.... and sent back to the promised land of Schengen.
There is no reason why they can't find a field, put a fence around it, put up a load of tents and add some portable toilets and a washing facility. Get some charity to set up a canteen for cooking meals. The weather is not that cold and it's a good introduction to the British way of life, i.e. traditional camping holidays.
I think this is a much better idea putting them in hotels at our expense. Dave needs to be looking at doing this for the ones who are already here, and then send all the new ones back to where they came from - Calais.
That particular question was to that poster and I asked what they thought he should do . however your OP states he is mishandling Calais and allowing it to get worse , by this reply here what you actually mean then is you believe he is mishandling Dover and entry points in Kent as Calais has sod all to do with him and he has no power there and you are now saying what he should do this side of the channel.
That's his job, it's what he's paid to do.
At best it's so far been a PR disaster for Cameron.
With no Labour or Lib's to point the finger at, he's looking absolutely clueless.
You know what I meant, so please spare me the pedantry.
Serious politicians live in the real world. They don't have teleporters to move people back where they came from, or jurisdiction over what foreign states do. Shouting non solutions loudly, has now become the far right wing syle of political leadership - a theory that Trump is currently testing to destruction. Nor are economic migrants that powered by logic, any more than Corbyn voters - both believe in a promised land where money grows on the lampposts. . Nor is it possible to make life such hell for the illegal immigrants that no one would risk coming. Cameron has no control over French immigration or deportation policy, or their labour laws and processes for resolving disputes - like the current one with the French seamen
Cameron's doing a pretty good job keeping them out. He hasn't invited hundreds of thousands in like the Germans, but instead has kept the vast majority out. He's now tightened up the security on lorries, and train tracks, more - to match the escalation in immigrantion attempts. He's also looking for an answer to the lorry congestion issue - which again isn't simple given that wherever the lorries move to off the motorway will gte the problems.
One of the problems of the present political scene is that the far left and far right inflate every issue , come up with fantastic explanations of why 2 and 2 equals 3 , and have leaders like Farage, Trump and Corbyn who offer simple rhetoric, but have no idea of how the problems could be solved themselves, or even much idea what the sitiuation actually is.
Its got notthing to do with the EU or its laws. There's very few people getting in who are not entitled to come in. Many of those will be taking a flight home eventually. These people are not the Poles or Spanish who are free to go where they like- even if UKIP think its 1588 or 1789. There are no EU directives involved . Cameron has wisely opted out, and blocked, the suggestion that we should all take a share of Europe's illegal immigrants. Its purely a problem of how the French deal with them on their side of the channel and what we can do to ensure our border is secure in Calais and at Dover.
Of course its not been a disaster. Labour shot its support in the head again- by seeming to be backing the immigrants when 70% of the population wants less immigration according to the polls. Thats left immigration as Labour's impossible problem - as most of their potential vote doesn't want it, but Corbyn does, and, in some Labour seats ,the immigrant vote is essential. No other party has offered any solutions at al. Cameron just needs to get the lorries off the M20, somewhere less visible , continue to try and get French action , and keep on saying he won't let the economic migrants come here. People will worry about immigrants jumping off lorries, but they will also note that those perople are next seen being carted off by the constabluary. Most voters will realise there's nothing else much can be done this side of the channel. .
The only flight they'll be taking is a holiday to visit their home country... and then they'll be back over here. They are young people, they know all their rights, and having a child born in the UK gives them huge rights... so they will reproduce asap.
They will evade the authorities for as long as they can with dodgy IDs and the like...
Don't be so naive.
You are living in a dream world, you really are. IT has EVERYTHING to do with the EU, Schengen has fuelled this problem which allows the swarm to spread across Europe and reach us.
Do you think that if you went to Mexico or Canada on holiday you could just wander into the USA without a care in the world? If you made a run for it across those borders you would get one warning shoot and then they would shoot you.
... and once they'd shot you they wouldn't put you up in 3-star hotel and give you pocket money every bl**dy week!
France took Calais, the last continental possession of England, on January 7th, 1558,
and, unless I am mistaken, Calais has not been returned to us.
His job ... Really ????!!!
... Surely in a non presidential style UK government the appropriate person to sort out the French is the foreign secretary ...
Why should the PM get involved at all..?
So you have no answer either? Could you not just make something up? Then you can gloat freely
Wallowing in the "PR" disaster seems a bit distastful to be honest. Did you used to **** for Dave at Eaton? There seems to be some underlying tension we're missing out on
Assuming that this, in fact, correct, do you approve of this?
Just shut the tunnel.