Why does anyone have to "win" an argument, whatever happened to a frank exchange of views? J'OB doesn't even try to have a fair and frank exchange, he's always immediately argumentative and trying to put his caller on the back foot. A case of winning the battle but losing the war methinks.
Like having a conversation, which is meant to be what it's all about. Confrontational can be very wearing and hardly shows any respect for the other person or thei views. By all means debate or argue if it gets heated, but politeness doesn't cost much.
Nor do you see the irony in telling people that no one forces them to read the post and to "use the ignore button" while at the same time taking that line that people shouldn't tell others what to listen to.
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When we go onto a forum we're joining a group of people, one or two of whom we may not like/appreciate whilst enjoying the rest. When we listen to a radio programme we're making a decision to listen to that one presenter.
So I'm afraid your analogy doesn't work.
You're right about me taking a line that people shouldn't tell others what to listen to though. Don't you agree?
But would James O'Brien's show be entertaining if he was an absolute gent all of the time? Of course not! I read an interview with him in which he said that when he is on air, his producers refer to the studio as 'The Kennel' because the pitbull O'Brien is in there.
O'Brien's shows are a masterclass in how to win an argument.
He appears to be proud of the fact. I think that's immensely childish for a middle-aged man (he's 43 by the way, not a lot of people know that).
He's been a presenter for how long, 20 years? No wonder he can sometimes get the better of an ordinary caller. It's like an experienced barrister running rings around a witness. He should remember, "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." In my opinion, Gobber is just an arrogant bombastic windbag.
Do the presenters have to sit through the ads when they come on and keep listening for timing or cue purposes or is it a bit like on Frasier when he throws the headphones down and has a furious row with Roz?
Seriously, I just wondered if they have to tolerate the ads in any sort of capacity like the listeners do? I wonder if Ferrari likes Craig Ogden.
Just a quick bump of this post as I'm hoping Radiodad might see this question today before too many more posts start pulling the thread away in another direction.
It's a question I've been dying to ask for ages and finally now the issue has cropped up!
Do the presenters have to sit through the ads when they come on and keep listening for timing or cue purposes or is it a bit like on Frasier when he throws the headphones down and has a furious row with Roz?
Seriously, I just wondered if they have to tolerate the ads in any sort of capacity like the listeners do? I wonder if Ferrari likes Craig Ogden.
Indeed do they have to sit through the news bulletins for that matter for the very same reason, even if it's a quiet news day and they're sick of hearing the same headlines repeated?
Frasier normally gets into a punch up with bulldog by this stage.
I agree, its a pity James O'Brien doesn't take a leaf out of Gentleman Mike's book!
Many thanks for all the support last night. I wouldn't want to upset any posters on the thread in any way and i think we should value all contributions to this vital forum.
I've written a poem that I would like to dedicate to all the contributors to the thread - It's entitled 'Go now Brian, Go'
Go now Brian, Go.
You've not got a dog in this race
Go now Brian, Go
You're not buttering any parsnips
Go now Brian, Go
It's Farage, not Farridge
Go now Brian, Go
You were expelled from public school
Go now Brian, Go
You live in a white enclave
Go now Brian, Go
Build it and they won't come
Go now Brian, Go
You'll never be Boris's friend
Go now Brian, Go
Ferrari doesn't like you
Go now Brian, Go
You are a champagne socialist
Go now Brian, Go
Go now Brian, Go
Just a quick bump of this post as I'm hoping Radiodad might see this question today before too many more posts start pulling the thread away in another direction.
Indeed do they have to sit through the news bulletins for that matter for the very same reason, even if it's a quiet news day and they're sick of hearing the same headlines repeated?
I don't think I am as qualified as Radiodad maybe, but I suspect during the ad breaks and news bulletins the presenter is probably talking to the producer about what is coming up on the programme. What callers they have lined up and if there is likely to be anything very controversial. If there is going to be a live interview, checking that s/he has all the facts ready for the interview - they may also use the time to make a quick 'call of nature' !
The person who has to be more aware, I would imagine, is the producer or assistant, to fire up the jingles, ads, promos as soon as the newsreader has finished or the last ad has played.
So in answer to your question of whether the presenter is listening, I would say only half-listening.
He's been a presenter for how long, 20 years? No wonder he can sometimes get the better of an ordinary caller.
Perhaps you give the guy too much credit. Frank Lampard totally owned him when he had the audacity to criticise his skills as a parent. Lampard was more than an intellectual match for him in what was a highly embarassing encounter for O'Brien
I believe the conversation is still somewhere on Youtube.
Perhaps you give the guy too much credit. Frank Lampard totally owned him when he had the audacity to criticise his skills as a parent. Lampard was more than an intellectual match for him in what was a highly embarassing encounter for O'Brien
I believe the conversation is still somewhere on Youtube.
Frank Lampard absolutely demolished and humiliated Brian on air, it was an astonishingly embarrassing mishap for the self-styled 'Gob on a stick'.
I don't think I am as qualified as Radiodad maybe, but I suspect during the ad breaks and news bulletins the presenter is probably talking to the producer about what is coming up on the programme. What callers they have lined up and if there is likely to be anything very controversial. If there is going to be a live interview, checking that s/he has all the facts ready for the interview - they may also use the time to make a quick 'call of nature' !
The person who has to be more aware, I would imagine, is the producer or assistant, to fire up the jingles, ads, promos as soon as the newsreader has finished or the last ad has played.
So in answer to your question of whether the presenter is listening, I would say only half-listening.
I have no knowledge of what they "hear" when the adverts are on but i too doubt they do hear them... the reason being shows like steves are simulcast on various "stations" (lbc dab, lbc london news and lbc 97.3) with different adverts for each platform at the same time. in fact i suspect that as each "advert break" has to exist the slot has to be filled on all platforms even if they have not "sold" advertising on all of them.. so you cant break back to the presenter and you have 30 seconds that has to have content... and boom.. that is when global radio put in adverts for their own companies.. like ogdens cd, like the two 118 directory service brands that have adverts, like steves book... they are all global group products (or companies that have a shareholding in) filling the advert breaks they have not sold
Frank Lampard to Brian:"What I’d like you to do in future is think when it becomes the personal issues, about people’s families, about people’s kids, and you’re degrading them as human beings.I grade myself as a human being as how I bring up my kids.
I have to wake up and then listen to idiots like you say ‘I read this and this is what he is doing’. And it is wrong. But I have to put up with it and I keep my mouth shut.
But, today, the only reason I ring you is because my sister is distressed and as I said to you earlier it is the anniversary of my mum's death. Do you think my sister needs to hear idiots like you saying it on the radio station?"
I don't think I am as qualified as Radiodad maybe, but I suspect during the ad breaks and news bulletins the presenter is probably talking to the producer about what is coming up on the programme. What callers they have lined up and if there is likely to be anything very controversial. If there is going to be a live interview, checking that s/he has all the facts ready for the interview - they may also use the time to make a quick 'call of nature' !
The person who has to be more aware, I would imagine, is the producer or assistant, to fire up the jingles, ads, promos as soon as the newsreader has finished or the last ad has played.
So in answer to your question of whether the presenter is listening, I would say only half-listening.
Your spot on, the adverts and news do get played into the studio as well however the presenter usually would be talking to there producer either via talkback or the producer will come into the studio. As you say the person who has to keep a listen out is the person driving the desk.
I have no knowledge of what they "hear" when the adverts are on but i too doubt they do hear them... the reason being shows like steves are simulcast on various "stations" (lbc dab, lbc london news and lbc 97.3) with different adverts for each platform at the same time. in fact i suspect that as each "advert break" has to exist the slot has to be filled on all platforms even if they have not "sold" advertising on all of them.. so you cant break back to the presenter and you have 30 seconds that has to have content... and boom.. that is when global radio put in adverts for their own companies.. like ogdens cd, like the two 118 directory service brands that have adverts, like steves book... they are all global group products (or companies that have a shareholding in) filling the advert breaks they have not sold
thats my guess anyways...
The presenters do hear the adverts, the feed that is played into the studio and headphones is an off air feed pre delay (Usually 97.3 Pre Delay) so adverts, news and travel is all heard. As you say LBC adverts are split so they will hear one set.
As you say the timings have to be the same on all stations, this is relatively easy on LBC as the station is only split 3 ways max where as something like the Heart Network is split on a massive scale in comparison. On the log for person driving the desk it will say something like SLAVE BREAK XX:15 - 2:00 when this command is played the play out system splits the feeds and starts the split advert players in the racks room.
To make timings correct as you say filler adverts are used, these are sometimes promos for different shows, company owned businesses or sometimes when adverts are sold as a deal breaker that will tell the company they will put them down for filler adverts as well meaning potentially a bit more airtime for the buyer.
You suspect wrongly. Mike spoilt a great review of GG by adding his usual nonsense about James O'Brien- a lot of which appears to be based on personal prejudice. There is no problem in saying JO'B is arrogant, talks over people, sets them up for a fall, cuts them off then ridicules them- because that is what happens. What I object to is this whole 'Brian' nonsense, 'Brianettes'- assume his children who are under 10 and so on. A perceived personality based on mainly assumption.
This ridiculous trolling of James O'Brien certainly does not follow that tip and devalues the rest of your often good argument.
Free speech encompasses all views- regardless of whether the response is something you agree with or not or is even palatable. It is also my right to be able to respond to them.
Yesterday I found myself walking down Chiswick High Road en route from Acton Town to Hammersmith Broadway and found myself thinking from what I saw- what is it with this place that makes it supposedly so posh?
In conclusion whilst I am certainly not a fan of this current obsession with slagging people off- I find it childish and sometime bordering on bullying .........
Mike is perfectly capable of defending himself but for the record I am most definitely on his side.
Not sure how much you listen to the "gob on a stick" but I feel that your comments about perception and assumption are wide of the mark. There is not much detail relating to his family and lifestyle that he does not mention on a very regular basis leaving very little to perceive or be assumed.
Mike is certainly not some one I would regard as a troll, he is using this forum to express an opinion and unless he is harrassing O'Brien directly I don't think you can call it trolling.
At least you recognise right to free speech and that is what Mike is doing is it not?
On Zoopla the current valuation of the O'Brien house is £1,205,908 (info in public domain) Now I would regard that as being a posh area based on the definition of the word itself.
I am dismayed that you think Mike is bordering on bullying which is is questionable although I understand your reasoning behind using that term.
These opinions are mine and for the record I listen to O'Brien virtually every day, I detest him, however I reserve the "right" to listen to what I like when I like, simple as.
It's been announced that Peter Andre will definitely be a contestant on Strictly Come Dancing this year. Don't think the news was broken before Steve was on the air this morning, so anyone tuning in be prepared to have your ears punished by a very very very long diatribe about the show and Peter in particular, at the end of which Steve will say "I couldn't care less".:D
It's been announced that Peter Andre will definitely be a contestant on Strictly Come Dancing this year. Don't think the news was broken before Steve was on the air this morning, so anyone tuning in be prepared to have your ears punished by a very very very long diatribe about the show and Peter in particular, at the end of which Steve will say "I couldn't care less".:D
surprised his "network of insiders" did not tell him before... then again may be he will mix it up with a "i dont know" as well as a "i couldnt care less" before going back to saying how rude the person in boots was who asked him if he had a boots card (it would have been the self scan voice but he doesnt know where he is anymore)
Why do they need to Jingle saying " This is LBC with John Stapleton in for Ian Dale on Drive ......?" when he could have a set jingle for himself. It's the same when Ian is on Breakfast?
John in for Andrew on breakfast Saturday and Ian on drive next week, Shelagh Fogarty in for Ken and David Saturday, James back next week and Tom in for Shelagh Fogarty next week.
Why do they need to Jingle saying " This is LBC with John Stapleton in for Ian Dale on Drive ......?" when he could have a set jingle for himself. It's the same when Ian is on Breakfast?
It's so that people don't switch on at 8am, hear Iain Dale and think they've overslept. ;-)
It's been announced that Peter Andre will definitely be a contestant on Strictly Come Dancing this year. Don't think the news was broken before Steve was on the air this morning, so anyone tuning in be prepared to have your ears punished by a very very very long diatribe about the show and Peter in particular, at the end of which Steve will say "I couldn't care less".:D
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Maybe if those complained about were nicer to their callers people would be less inclined to have a dig at them
Like having a conversation, which is meant to be what it's all about. Confrontational can be very wearing and hardly shows any respect for the other person or thei views. By all means debate or argue if it gets heated, but politeness doesn't cost much.
When we go onto a forum we're joining a group of people, one or two of whom we may not like/appreciate whilst enjoying the rest. When we listen to a radio programme we're making a decision to listen to that one presenter.
So I'm afraid your analogy doesn't work.
You're right about me taking a line that people shouldn't tell others what to listen to though. Don't you agree?
He appears to be proud of the fact. I think that's immensely childish for a middle-aged man (he's 43 by the way, not a lot of people know that).
He's been a presenter for how long, 20 years? No wonder he can sometimes get the better of an ordinary caller. It's like an experienced barrister running rings around a witness. He should remember, "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." In my opinion, Gobber is just an arrogant bombastic windbag.
Just a quick bump of this post as I'm hoping Radiodad might see this question today before too many more posts start pulling the thread away in another direction.
It's a question I've been dying to ask for ages and finally now the issue has cropped up!
Indeed do they have to sit through the news bulletins for that matter for the very same reason, even if it's a quiet news day and they're sick of hearing the same headlines repeated?
Frasier normally gets into a punch up with bulldog by this stage.
Many thanks for all the support last night. I wouldn't want to upset any posters on the thread in any way and i think we should value all contributions to this vital forum.
Go now Brian, Go.
You've not got a dog in this race
Go now Brian, Go
You're not buttering any parsnips
Go now Brian, Go
It's Farage, not Farridge
Go now Brian, Go
You were expelled from public school
Go now Brian, Go
You live in a white enclave
Go now Brian, Go
Build it and they won't come
Go now Brian, Go
You'll never be Boris's friend
Go now Brian, Go
Ferrari doesn't like you
Go now Brian, Go
You are a champagne socialist
Go now Brian, Go
Go now Brian, Go
I don't think I am as qualified as Radiodad maybe, but I suspect during the ad breaks and news bulletins the presenter is probably talking to the producer about what is coming up on the programme. What callers they have lined up and if there is likely to be anything very controversial. If there is going to be a live interview, checking that s/he has all the facts ready for the interview - they may also use the time to make a quick 'call of nature' !
The person who has to be more aware, I would imagine, is the producer or assistant, to fire up the jingles, ads, promos as soon as the newsreader has finished or the last ad has played.
So in answer to your question of whether the presenter is listening, I would say only half-listening.
Perhaps you give the guy too much credit. Frank Lampard totally owned him when he had the audacity to criticise his skills as a parent. Lampard was more than an intellectual match for him in what was a highly embarassing encounter for O'Brien
I believe the conversation is still somewhere on Youtube.
Frank Lampard absolutely demolished and humiliated Brian on air, it was an astonishingly embarrassing mishap for the self-styled 'Gob on a stick'.
I have no knowledge of what they "hear" when the adverts are on but i too doubt they do hear them... the reason being shows like steves are simulcast on various "stations" (lbc dab, lbc london news and lbc 97.3) with different adverts for each platform at the same time. in fact i suspect that as each "advert break" has to exist the slot has to be filled on all platforms even if they have not "sold" advertising on all of them.. so you cant break back to the presenter and you have 30 seconds that has to have content... and boom.. that is when global radio put in adverts for their own companies.. like ogdens cd, like the two 118 directory service brands that have adverts, like steves book... they are all global group products (or companies that have a shareholding in) filling the advert breaks they have not sold
thats my guess anyways...
I have to wake up and then listen to idiots like you say ‘I read this and this is what he is doing’. And it is wrong. But I have to put up with it and I keep my mouth shut.
But, today, the only reason I ring you is because my sister is distressed and as I said to you earlier it is the anniversary of my mum's death. Do you think my sister needs to hear idiots like you saying it on the radio station?"
Frank Lampard: "No, I certainly won’t."
Your spot on, the adverts and news do get played into the studio as well however the presenter usually would be talking to there producer either via talkback or the producer will come into the studio. As you say the person who has to keep a listen out is the person driving the desk.
The presenters do hear the adverts, the feed that is played into the studio and headphones is an off air feed pre delay (Usually 97.3 Pre Delay) so adverts, news and travel is all heard. As you say LBC adverts are split so they will hear one set.
As you say the timings have to be the same on all stations, this is relatively easy on LBC as the station is only split 3 ways max where as something like the Heart Network is split on a massive scale in comparison. On the log for person driving the desk it will say something like SLAVE BREAK XX:15 - 2:00 when this command is played the play out system splits the feeds and starts the split advert players in the racks room.
To make timings correct as you say filler adverts are used, these are sometimes promos for different shows, company owned businesses or sometimes when adverts are sold as a deal breaker that will tell the company they will put them down for filler adverts as well meaning potentially a bit more airtime for the buyer.
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Mike is perfectly capable of defending himself but for the record I am most definitely on his side.
Not sure how much you listen to the "gob on a stick" but I feel that your comments about perception and assumption are wide of the mark. There is not much detail relating to his family and lifestyle that he does not mention on a very regular basis leaving very little to perceive or be assumed.
Mike is certainly not some one I would regard as a troll, he is using this forum to express an opinion and unless he is harrassing O'Brien directly I don't think you can call it trolling.
At least you recognise right to free speech and that is what Mike is doing is it not?
On Zoopla the current valuation of the O'Brien house is £1,205,908 (info in public domain) Now I would regard that as being a posh area based on the definition of the word itself.
I am dismayed that you think Mike is bordering on bullying which is is questionable although I understand your reasoning behind using that term.
These opinions are mine and for the record I listen to O'Brien virtually every day, I detest him, however I reserve the "right" to listen to what I like when I like, simple as.
Thanks for reading and take care out there.
surprised his "network of insiders" did not tell him before... then again may be he will mix it up with a "i dont know" as well as a "i couldnt care less" before going back to saying how rude the person in boots was who asked him if he had a boots card (it would have been the self scan voice but he doesnt know where he is anymore)
It's so that people don't switch on at 8am, hear Iain Dale and think they've overslept. ;-)
That will please him:D