You said that the police are trained better than the public and know when to properly use a gun. That's the norm in Britain where the only people who have access to that training are armed police and military people. No one else can really get that, even people who have gun licenses can't get any training or practice in using them for protection.
You could. People could go and do self-defence courses. Back when pistols were legal in the UK, those courses were more common, and along with shooting events like 'practical pistol' probably helped lead to the bans here. Main difference though is there wasn't any self-defence justification for ordinary people owning firearms (with some pretty rare exceptions).
But in America that training is freely available to all, meaning some civilians over there are just as well trained as the police in both the use of a gun and the legal aspects of when they can and can't use it.
That's something that could be implemented here if firearms laws were ever to change. Some US states require training prior to allowing ownership or concealed carry. Some citizens may also practice far more than US police officers do, who may rarely practice and may only fire their weapons for qualification. Main difference there though is it's the police who'll be expected to resond to crimes, not civilians.
Of course not. But short of banning all guns (which I'm convinced would just lead to an increase in gun deaths over there) there isn't a lot you can do.
There should be checks into peoples lives for owning guns. Case by case basis. If you have any dodgy history you should be banned. Therefor if you get one illegally you should be put into prison.
I watched CNN before 5 and they were complaining about Bryce Williams using social media to spread his version of events. In the past people used the news channels. I doubt they'd be so unhappy if he sent it all to CNN instead of putting it on Twitter and Facebook..
Now CNN says: "CNN is not showing the video any longer."
There should be checks into peoples lives for owning guns. Case by case basis. If you have any dodgy history you should be banned. Therefor if you get one illegally you should be put into prison.
Trouble is it's hard enough to police that in this country. Let alone a country the size of America.
Yeah... because suicidal people taking others with them never happened before social media.
Although, recording it and putting it on YT is unique, I don't think I'd be blaming it on Social Media though.
The disgruntled ex-worker killing co-workers and then suicide is something that has happened many times before in the USA and no doubt will happen many times in the future.
Fair enough, I couldn't possibly have known that when I made the post, so I'll happily retract that part. It's not unusual for people to try and rationalise something senseless like this by jumping to "mental illness" though.
What's scary is that he was so close to them and pointing a gun and the poor buggers were so focused on their job that they didn't see him. He clearly waited until the camera panned round to face her before he started shooting. The look on her face when she saw the gun
Yeah... because suicidal people taking others with them never happened before social media.
Although, recording it and putting it on YT is unique, I don't think I'd be blaming it on Social Media though.
This is journalists lives now. They use the people freely willingly to get the people to bring the stories to them. People see the opportunity to make money from their photos and videos. People will do anything to get their footage on mainstream news.
Look at the weekend in Britain. A man with his daughter was running from the air show jet explosion. He then decided to stop and start filming with his smartphone. Any sane person would run and keep running to get their family to safety. Here we have the incentive to make money because it'll likely be a possibility to go viral on mainstream news and social media.
After all, what do all thew news channels say? Including American? Send us in your tweets, photos and videos. Sky News: Remember though, must be in landscape!
The media exploit and encourage anything to be reported. The people know it and look what happens. Lots of copycats.
Things like this make me very reluctant to visit USA even though I would love to visit there
You always hear the worst. There are plenty of places in America that aren't full of the media's portraying horrible shootings.
Look at Britain. All you ever hear is rape, murders, child abusers and so on. All you ever hear from both countries is the worst. You rarely ever hear anything good being reported.
What's scary is that he was so close to them and pointing a gun and the poor buggers were so focused on their job that they didn't see him.
That's why suggestions that if the tv crew had been armed, things may have been different. They were focused on the interview and unaware of the threat until too late.
Watched the video on the daily mail site showing what happened, seeing their faces and hearing the screams made me tear up a bit, so sad.
What's even sadder is hearing about another shooting in America and not being shocked as it's so common. I don't think America will ever change their gun laws, but something needs to be done.
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You could. People could go and do self-defence courses. Back when pistols were legal in the UK, those courses were more common, and along with shooting events like 'practical pistol' probably helped lead to the bans here. Main difference though is there wasn't any self-defence justification for ordinary people owning firearms (with some pretty rare exceptions).
That's something that could be implemented here if firearms laws were ever to change. Some US states require training prior to allowing ownership or concealed carry. Some citizens may also practice far more than US police officers do, who may rarely practice and may only fire their weapons for qualification. Main difference there though is it's the police who'll be expected to resond to crimes, not civilians.
Yeah... because suicidal people taking others with them never happened before social media.
Although, recording it and putting it on YT is unique, I don't think I'd be blaming it on Social Media though.
They are saying now that he is dead, he shot himself in his car.
There should be checks into peoples lives for owning guns. Case by case basis. If you have any dodgy history you should be banned. Therefor if you get one illegally you should be put into prison.
^^^ Only in Murica.
Now CNN says: "CNN is not showing the video any longer."
Trouble is it's hard enough to police that in this country. Let alone a country the size of America.
The disgruntled ex-worker killing co-workers and then suicide is something that has happened many times before in the USA and no doubt will happen many times in the future.
Fair enough, I couldn't possibly have known that when I made the post, so I'll happily retract that part. It's not unusual for people to try and rationalise something senseless like this by jumping to "mental illness" though.
It's disgusting though. Anyone who films themselves killing someone and posts it on social media is pure evil.
Is that why he waited? I thought perhaps he might have been having second thoughts but then went ahead with the madness anyway.
Some confusion whether or not Vester Flanigan aka Bryce Williams is dead, his former station @WDBJ7 saying he's STILL ALIVE critical cond.
stay angry, stay poor :kitty:
Yes, the cameraman was filming over the balcony when he first held up the gun.
This is journalists lives now. They use the people freely willingly to get the people to bring the stories to them. People see the opportunity to make money from their photos and videos. People will do anything to get their footage on mainstream news.
Look at the weekend in Britain. A man with his daughter was running from the air show jet explosion. He then decided to stop and start filming with his smartphone. Any sane person would run and keep running to get their family to safety. Here we have the incentive to make money because it'll likely be a possibility to go viral on mainstream news and social media.
After all, what do all thew news channels say? Including American? Send us in your tweets, photos and videos. Sky News: Remember though, must be in landscape!
The media exploit and encourage anything to be reported. The people know it and look what happens. Lots of copycats.
You always hear the worst. There are plenty of places in America that aren't full of the media's portraying horrible shootings.
Look at Britain. All you ever hear is rape, murders, child abusers and so on. All you ever hear from both countries is the worst. You rarely ever hear anything good being reported.
its the fact he had the forthought to record it with the intention to put it on Fakebook/twatter thats the new social media/narcissistic bit
like a lot of the current generation having to record there lives then post it on FB
as a form of validation, its not "real" unless its on FB
thats so sad
America has a national database. It could make inroads into the problem if there was an initiative to do so.
That's why suggestions that if the tv crew had been armed, things may have been different. They were focused on the interview and unaware of the threat until too late.
...or the alternative is to visit the equally scenic Canada, which also has vibrant cities too, where they have stricter gun laws and far fewer massacre shootings.
What's even sadder is hearing about another shooting in America and not being shocked as it's so common. I don't think America will ever change their gun laws, but something needs to be done.